I think that Arsenal will not fight in this match against Liverpool... Liverpool have good results and they can play free football because they don't have problems in attack and defence... But Arsenal have a lot of problems, which can be seen from their poor games... This match is not important for anyone, but Arsenal already lost such matches to save their strength... Remember the match against West Ham...
The level of ball possession is almost equal and so far not a single goal has been scored, but I also think that it will not be that difficult for Liverpool to gain an advantage in this FA Cup match. Even though it took place at the Emirates Stadium, I also will not equate the conditions of this match with the conditions of matches with other teams, because what Arsenal is facing today is a team that is quite strong in the Premier League this season so the match will be quite different. 
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Actually, with the current performance of Newcastle, in my opinion, Eddie Howe should feel threatened because in fact they are currently experiencing problems and crises in performance.
Newcastle have spent quite a lot to make their readiness in a good position and are considered one of the dangerous clubs in the last 2 seasons so it is certain that when the conditions are not in accordance with the desired expectations, the coach must be ready to bear all the decisions because it is certainly the coach who will be targeted because he is considered unable to advance the club.
Howe can get out of this trap if he is able to improve Newcstle's performance but if in the end he cannot do that then he must be prepared to leave.
Newcastle have spent quite a lot to make their readiness in a good position and are considered one of the dangerous clubs in the last 2 seasons so it is certain that when the conditions are not in accordance with the desired expectations, the coach must be ready to bear all the decisions because it is certainly the coach who will be targeted because he is considered unable to advance the club.
Howe can get out of this trap if he is able to improve Newcstle's performance but if in the end he cannot do that then he must be prepared to leave.
You are right about almost everything but one thing is wrong. You said that Newcastle United spent a lot to get the team ready for the fierce competition in the Premier League, but that is not right and it is something I criticize. Newcastle would have had the money if they wanted to, but they spent only £130.8m and their net spending was £88.6m.
They are pretty much in the middle when it comes to their spending and I think when a club qualfies for the Champions League and has played such a great season, they should make sure that the squad is competitive the next season. That's where they saved too much money in my opinion.
But for the spending issue I said in my previous post I said that they spent quite a lot of money in the last 2 seasons meaning not just this season alone.
We can see some of their purchases in the last 2 seasons to make the club better such as the purchase of some players who spent more money including when they brought Harvey Barnes for 44 million, Tonali for 64 million or even Isak who was bought for more than 70 million.
Even if this price is not as big as the spending of some big clubs like Chelsea, Arsenal or maybe some other big clubs in the EPL but it is big enough for Newcastle to overhaul their players to try to do their best to make them one of the strong clubs after the acquisition of investors from the middle east.
But this performance should still be put into reasonable context because this opponent was so far inferior that Chelsea had to win this game no matter what. They would really have had no excuses whatsoever if they didn't win this game and you know, it still took them 58 minutes to score the first goal. I didn't really expect failure from them because they were keeping up the pressure during the game, but they lack this deadliness in the box of their opponent. They don't have this one amazing striker. It is still a waiting game for them and in this case it ended in a good way for them.
Yes, even if they are a team like a few seasons ago, which is still owned by Roman Abramovich, it is very possible that those who will be deployed to play will be more dominated by second-tier players, but this time it seems that the main players dominate the Chelsea squad so that the victory over Preston is natural, it will even be unnatural if they lose or can only draw, because maybe there will be fired by Chelsea owners because they have not been able to make the expected changes to bring this team back to being better.Some strong teams managed to win like Newcastle and Brighton for Brighton they got quite a tight resistance, and the most anticipated match today is Arsenal vs Liverpool as Arsenal's home team is favored to win but Liverpool is a team that always gives difficulties to their opponents so Arsenal must not let their guard down in this match.
I am not a fan or something of Roman Abramovich, but it seemed as if he had at least some idea about football. They didn't buy dozens of players that didn't fit well into the team. They had transfer fails of course like every team has that, but the way Chelsea is now failing in doing their transfer business is alarming. Since the ownership changed, decisions about players and coaches have been bad and it is getting worse. Chelsea has had so much time and money to improve their situation, but they didn't.
I agree with you, in fact Chelsea cannot deny that their performance both last season and now shows bad results. Like it or not, we are still discussing facts that are quite bitter in the eyes of Chelsea fans. The instability of player and coach strategies raises many doubts. It does not rule out the possibility of being dragged further away from the top 10 positions. This is clearly a big challenge for the Blues to stake their reputation as a monster English team who lost a lot of momentum to collect points and secure their position. Last season they managed to finish in 12th position, which is a bad record after qualifying for the 2021/22 UCL season.
Chelsea needs time to recover. That won't happen in one or two seasons, especially since the Chelsea squad this season is really starting from zero again, in terms of chemistry between players, between coach and players, management and players, Chelsea has really been completely overhauled. so everything goes back to 0 again.Maybe if all the lines start to get together again they will be successful again like Chelsea in the Captain Lampard era, the squad is really solid. However, to achieve all that requires a process, I do not blame the Chelsea coach who is still in decline, but rather failure on all fronts. Moreover, in terms of caring for players so that their abilities can develop, Chelsea players actually have talent but it is not developed. Just look at the example of the player who was dumped by Chelsea, Kai Havertz, he was able to return sharp with Arsenal thanks to Arteta's trust, the family atmosphere in the dressing room and team support, and this doesn't exist at Chelsea.
Quite some surprise results in the FA cup from the Premier League teams,they almost all of them have not won and we are at additional time now when the result are 1-1 for West Ham and 2-2 for Nottingham Forest.I know that most teams try their second formation when they are playing against lower division but that is unacceptable to not win against teams like Blackpool which is suffering a league down than Nottingham Forest.The same for West Ham,a team who won the Europa Conference League is not winning either against weaker teams playing in lower divisions.Luckily next week Premier League action will be back.
I agree with you, in fact Chelsea cannot deny that their performance both last season and now shows bad results. Like it or not, we are still discussing facts that are quite bitter in the eyes of Chelsea fans. The instability of player and coach strategies raises many doubts. It does not rule out the possibility of being dragged further away from the top 10 positions. This is clearly a big challenge for the Blues to stake their reputation as a monster English team who lost a lot of momentum to collect points and secure their position. Last season they managed to finish in 12th position, which is a bad record after qualifying for the 2021/22 UCL season.
We are talking about the last 5 matches and Chelsea won 3 of these 5 matches 2 of them were consecutive wins that's why I said Chelsea looked better than in previous weeks, as I said before Chelsea has the opportunity to win in the next match against Fulham because Chelsea is in a more advantageous position. Chelsea's abilities will be tested on February 1 against Liverpool well, if Chelsea can win then we can say they have returned to their best game but of course it wasn't easy because Chelsea was playing away. Honestly, I'm curious to wait for Chelsea's next game and see if the last win was just luck or a team effort.
I wonder if Chelsea are at Championship level because they won so decisively against Preston without any trouble at all. Chelsea proved that they were able to win easily against Championship teams in the FA Cup competition, whereas in the EPL they had great difficulty pressing their opponents. It's not surprising that this result makes them more confident, but going into the real league competition, I'm not sure they will do the same thing.
Chelsea is still faced with a difficult situation in the EPL and has the possibility of finishing at the bottom of the table if there is still inconsistency. Their next opponents are Fulham who we know have just beaten Arsenal and I'm pretty sure Chelsea won't secure full points at home.
It seems that Chelsea is focused on the FA Cup to win, because I saw against Preston, Chelsea's performance looked very good in this match and their passes were very accurate and could be used well to score goals by their attackers. It was very different when Chelsea played in the EPL, their performance was very bad and less consistent in the match, their attacks on the opponent's goal could not be utilized properly and always failed. Chelsea have not been able to show a good game in the EPL, maybe if they focus on the EPL I'm sure Chelsea can still get points.Chelsea is still faced with a difficult situation in the EPL and has the possibility of finishing at the bottom of the table if there is still inconsistency. Their next opponents are Fulham who we know have just beaten Arsenal and I'm pretty sure Chelsea won't secure full points at home.
You are right about this, Chelsea are in a difficult situation in the EPL this season and their performance still looks very poor, and there is no consistency in the games they play. However, for the next match, namely Chelsea VS Fulham, I am sure Chelsea can win this match, because several times I have seen Chelsea always win at home, maybe the final score of this match will be a narrow victory for Chelsea.
Being absent from European competitions does not necessarily mean that Pochettino can create consistency easily, it seems that now they are prioritizing the FA Cup because that is where the best opportunities are available. We know that in the EPL Chelsea are still in the middle of the standings, I think they will miss the European competition again next season.
Hopefully they can win the match against Fulham, but it won't be easy to achieve even though Chelsea act as hosts. Fulham previously managed to beat Arsenal, it is not impossible that they have the opportunity to repeat the same thing against Chelsea, Pochettino must be careful about this.
The schedule is very busy for Arsenal and Liverpool because at the end of last year they met and only played a draw, but today they will still face each other in the FA Cup and also at the beginning of February they will still meet again in the EPL. This will definitely be an exciting battle for both teams and it is hoped that in whatever situation they will both be able to give their best performance.
But considering that previously both of them only played a draw, I am curious whether one of these teams will win or not in the FA Cup match later. I am quite sure that this time both of them will not remain silent and will want to play again in a draw like before so this will be a prestigious match for the two big teams to finish the previous match. For betting predictions, I recommend the BTTS option or over goal results only because it is very difficult to determine which one of them will win.
This is the FA Cup which is actually not more prestigious than the Premier League, but there is prestige that they will keep, especially they will also face each other in the Premier League later. Arsenal also don't want to lose again in a row, they will try to get the best possible results.
On the other hand Liverpool are also in good shape at the moment and they are better than Arsenal. Maybe this will be determined by Arsenal's own performance, whether they will play well or not, because it cannot be denied that their defeat in the previous match will damage their mentality.
And if you look at the title record and meetings between the two teams, Arsenal is superior in the FA Cup. The reason is, Arsenal has 14 championship titles which makes Arsenal the most successful club in the FA Cup, and Liverpool only has eight FA Cup titles.
However, these results are not a benchmark, because Arsenal is currently experiencing two consecutive defeats in the EPL which has dropped them to 4th place in the standings and this could make Arsenal's condition less good. Meanwhile, Liverpool is currently at the top of the standings and is in good form.
And what we need to know, in this prestigious match, Liverpool will lose important players Mohamed Salah and Wataru Endo who will miss representing their country in the African Cup of Nations and Asian Cup. And most likely Arsenal will field their best squad players and this will be a very interesting match to watch and also in my opinion difficult to predict. And even though I side with Liverpool, I think Arsenal will definitely play very well to return to their best form.
I think that Arsenal will not fight in this match against Liverpool... Liverpool have good results and they can play free football because they don't have problems in attack and defence... But Arsenal have a lot of problems, which can be seen from their poor games... This match is not important for anyone, but Arsenal already lost such matches to save their strength... Remember the match against West Ham...
The schedule is very busy for Arsenal and Liverpool because at the end of last year they met and only played a draw, but today they will still face each other in the FA Cup and also at the beginning of February they will still meet again in the EPL. This will definitely be an exciting battle for both teams and it is hoped that in whatever situation they will both be able to give their best performance.
But considering that previously both of them only played a draw, I am curious whether one of these teams will win or not in the FA Cup match later. I am quite sure that this time both of them will not remain silent and will want to play again in a draw like before so this will be a prestigious match for the two big teams to finish the previous match. For betting predictions, I recommend the BTTS option or over goal results only because it is very difficult to determine which one of them will win.
This is the FA Cup which is actually not more prestigious than the Premier League, but there is prestige that they will keep, especially they will also face each other in the Premier League later. Arsenal also don't want to lose again in a row, they will try to get the best possible results.
On the other hand Liverpool are also in good shape at the moment and they are better than Arsenal. Maybe this will be determined by Arsenal's own performance, whether they will play well or not, because it cannot be denied that their defeat in the previous match will damage their mentality.
And if you look at the title record and meetings between the two teams, Arsenal is superior in the FA Cup. The reason is, Arsenal has 14 championship titles which makes Arsenal the most successful club in the FA Cup, and Liverpool only has eight FA Cup titles.
However, these results are not a benchmark, because Arsenal is currently experiencing two consecutive defeats in the EPL which has dropped them to 4th place in the standings and this could make Arsenal's condition less good. Meanwhile, Liverpool is currently at the top of the standings and is in good form.
And what we need to know, in this prestigious match, Liverpool will lose important players Mohamed Salah and Wataru Endo who will miss representing their country in the African Cup of Nations and Asian Cup. And most likely Arsenal will field their best squad players and this will be a very interesting match to watch and also in my opinion difficult to predict. And even though I side with Liverpool, I think Arsenal will definitely play very well to return to their best form.
Chelsea are not that bad in the premier league they still have the ability to compete it's just inconsistent Chelsea has won 3 of the last 5 matches that's not a bad result, last October Chelsea beat Fulham and this week Chelsea will play as host well, Chelsea should be able to overcome it or at least not lose. Fulham also have a busier schedule in the FA Cup and EFL Cup matches in this competition will disturb their concentration like on January 11, Fulham will face Liverpool in the ELF Cup then 2 days later Fulham faced Chelsea in the premier league we can imagine the situation of the Fulham players.
It's wrong to look at how Chelsea is ranked in the table and then to say that it all isn't that bad. I think the starting point to develop an assessment of their rank is to consider their goals and what they have put into the club to compete for the top positions. We are talking about 10 figure investments and the former Champions League winner from 2021. If you consider these facts, do you still think that Chelsea is not doing that bad?
You could take another club. When Liverpool was struggling last season and they were about to miss the Europa League, everybody was in shock. Manchester City would be the same. Imagine they were in Chelsea's position now. It would be horrible for them.
Preston tried and held on till first half which ended goalless unfortunately fell in the second half as the team couldn't hold on as they conceded four goal in the second half Chelsea, no doubt is the better side having dominated the match with 70% possession and 12 shots on target against the championship side, remember FA Cup is usually synonymous with upset I believe Chelsea was a bit cautious not to concede against Preston they are frustrated in the first half, though you are worried about Chelsea sluggish style of play but I believe that would change with time because Pochettino hasn't gotten a real first eleven squad yet and once the team clicks they would be unstoppable.
In the first half, Chelsea were not very persistent and indeed this result was not surprising because in terms of quality Chelsea were much better and they deserved to win with a convincing score.I think what happened in the first half is not a significant problem because what is needed is the final result and Chelsea won as predicted, there were no surprises in this match.
Preston who only plays in the Championship or under the Premier League, it is clear that Preston does not have good quality. What's more, at this moment Preston is also only in the middle in the Championship table and thus, it is certainly a natural result if in the match againts Chelsea the fact that Preston also did not manage to make a good resistance.
Because after all, the fact is that Chelsea dominated this match and also, even though at half time the result was a 0-0 draw but ya, that Chelsea still had very good statistics also at half time. Therefore, in the second half Chelsea can maximize the opportunities it gets and convert them into goals and ya, at least this victory can boost the team's morale to get good results also in the Premier League.
It is expected that De Bruyne will start playing for the first team this January. His absence in the Manchester tram has really shown in the out put of Erling Halland. And Halland has to score lots of goals for Manchester to be able to win games and possibly climb on the table.
I'm not sure if you didn't notice that Kevin De Bruyne has recovered and played his first game against Sheffield on December 30 that's why Manchester City's game is slowly improving and is in 3rd position, it must be admitted that De Bruyne's presence really had an impact on the team it's just that I'm not sure De Bruyne will be played in today's match. In the near future Manchester City will become Liverpool's main competitor and after playing their 20th match Manchester City is only 2 points behind Liverpool, on the other hand Liverpool will play without Moh Salah because he joined the National team for the African Cup.
So, did you count the won against preston north as a big achievement for chelsea? It's not yet mate. The main problem that must be sorted out by chelsea is on the EPL. this club performs so garbage once it was facing the low tier club in EPL.
The players were playing better coz preston made some blunders. Look at when preston player wrongly passing the ball to the chelsea's player. The result against preston is not convincing me to think that chelsea is now going back to the championship's level again.
It was very painful in the first half coz chelsea played so badly. The club is just getting better at the second half. But you know that chelsea has its in game management works pretty well during the second half.
If it was Liverpool or Manchester City, they can score more than 4 goals against Preston. The players were playing better coz preston made some blunders. Look at when preston player wrongly passing the ball to the chelsea's player. The result against preston is not convincing me to think that chelsea is now going back to the championship's level again.
It was very painful in the first half coz chelsea played so badly. The club is just getting better at the second half. But you know that chelsea has its in game management works pretty well during the second half.
It's normal for Premier League's club humiliating Championship's club regardless how bad they're in Premier League, both of them are on different level. Chelsea isn't yet become a black horse in Premier League, they need to prove many matches especially against Manchester City or Liverpool.
As I saw the performance of Preston's players, I thought Chelsea would score more goals. Chelsea dominated the entire match. The Preston team is relatively weak. They conceded 4 goals even after playing defensively. Preston would have conceded more if Manchester City or Liverpool were the opponents.
But I am happy to see Chelsea's performance. Because even after winning this match, the confidence of Chelsea players will increase. If the players are confident, they should play better in the Premier League matches as well. Chelsea's players have the ability to play well as they showed in the matches against Tottenham and City. Hopefully Chelsea will play well against Fulham in the next Premier League match.
The schedule is very busy for Arsenal and Liverpool because at the end of last year they met and only played a draw, but today they will still face each other in the FA Cup and also at the beginning of February they will still meet again in the EPL. This will definitely be an exciting battle for both teams and it is hoped that in whatever situation they will both be able to give their best performance.
But considering that previously both of them only played a draw, I am curious whether one of these teams will win or not in the FA Cup match later. I am quite sure that this time both of them will not remain silent and will want to play again in a draw like before so this will be a prestigious match for the two big teams to finish the previous match. For betting predictions, I recommend the BTTS option or over goal results only because it is very difficult to determine which one of them will win.
Of course, the one who benefits in this match is Aston Villa, because it will make it easier for Aston Villa to tackle Liverpool in the busy match played by Arsenal and Liverpool, even though the previous match ended in a draw, of course in this match Arsenal is playing at their home ground and they will definitely give a surprise to Liverpool will continue to put pressure on Liverpool in tonight's match, because Aston Villa is in second place, of course this is very troublesome for Arsenal with Aston Villa always looming over them...
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If it was Liverpool or Manchester City, they can score more than 4 goals against Preston.
It's normal for Premier League's club humiliating Championship's club regardless how bad they're in Premier League, both of them are on different level. Chelsea isn't yet become a black horse in Premier League, they need to prove many matches especially against Manchester City or Liverpool.
If Manchester City or Liverpool happen to face Preston North End, they would have conceded more than 4 goals as they did against Chelsea. Preston North End is a small mediocre team that don't have experience to play the tougher clubs. In the first half, they did play good football against the Blues and I thought they would become more tougher and fierce in the second half but it turned out that they're mere average team. Chelsea spotted the weakness of their opponents and used it against them, netting a whole of 4 goals in the second half is ridiculous on the path of the invincibles.It's normal for Premier League's club humiliating Championship's club regardless how bad they're in Premier League, both of them are on different level. Chelsea isn't yet become a black horse in Premier League, they need to prove many matches especially against Manchester City or Liverpool.
I don't see Chelsea's big win as an exaggeration because it was something they deserved because the opponent they faced was a weak team whose quality was far below them.
This is a match between two teams from different castes, so Chelsea's victory is quite natural and does not mean that the Chelsea team has recovered and is much better because of this victory.
The schedule is very busy for Arsenal and Liverpool because at the end of last year they met and only played a draw, but today they will still face each other in the FA Cup and also at the beginning of February they will still meet again in the EPL. This will definitely be an exciting battle for both teams and it is hoped that in whatever situation they will both be able to give their best performance.
But considering that previously both of them only played a draw, I am curious whether one of these teams will win or not in the FA Cup match later. I am quite sure that this time both of them will not remain silent and will want to play again in a draw like before so this will be a prestigious match for the two big teams to finish the previous match. For betting predictions, I recommend the BTTS option or over goal results only because it is very difficult to determine which one of them will win.
This is the FA Cup which is actually not more prestigious than the Premier League, but there is prestige that they will keep, especially they will also face each other in the Premier League later. Arsenal also don't want to lose again in a row, they will try to get the best possible results.
On the other hand Liverpool are also in good shape at the moment and they are better than Arsenal. Maybe this will be determined by Arsenal's own performance, whether they will play well or not, because it cannot be denied that their defeat in the previous match will damage their mentality.
If it was Liverpool or Manchester City, they can score more than 4 goals against Preston.
It's normal for Premier League's club humiliating Championship's club regardless how bad they're in Premier League, both of them are on different level. Chelsea isn't yet become a black horse in Premier League, they need to prove many matches especially against Manchester City or Liverpool.
If Manchester City or Liverpool happen to face Preston North End, they would have conceded more than 4 goals as they did against Chelsea. Preston North End is a small mediocre team that don't have experience to play the tougher clubs. In the first half, they did play good football against the Blues and I thought they would become more tougher and fierce in the second half but it turned out that they're mere average team. Chelsea spotted the weakness of their opponents and used it against them, netting a whole of 4 goals in the second half is ridiculous on the path of the invincibles. It's normal for Premier League's club humiliating Championship's club regardless how bad they're in Premier League, both of them are on different level. Chelsea isn't yet become a black horse in Premier League, they need to prove many matches especially against Manchester City or Liverpool.
Preston tried and held on till first half which ended goalless unfortunately fell in the second half as the team couldn't hold on as they conceded four goal in the second half Chelsea, no doubt is the better side having dominated the match with 70% possession and 12 shots on target against the championship side, remember FA Cup is usually synonymous with upset I believe Chelsea was a bit cautious not to concede against Preston they are frustrated in the first half, though you are worried about Chelsea sluggish style of play but I believe that would change with time because Pochettino hasn't gotten a real first eleven squad yet and once the team clicks they would be unstoppable.
In the first half, Chelsea were not very persistent and indeed this result was not surprising because in terms of quality Chelsea were much better and they deserved to win with a convincing score.I think what happened in the first half is not a significant problem because what is needed is the final result and Chelsea won as predicted, there were no surprises in this match.
Preston who only plays in the Championship or under the Premier League, it is clear that Preston does not have good quality. What's more, at this moment Preston is also only in the middle in the Championship table and thus, it is certainly a natural result if in the match againts Chelsea the fact that Preston also did not manage to make a good resistance.
Because after all, the fact is that Chelsea dominated this match and also, even though at half time the result was a 0-0 draw but ya, that Chelsea still had very good statistics also at half time. Therefore, in the second half Chelsea can maximize the opportunities it gets and convert them into goals and ya, at least this victory can boost the team's morale to get good results also in the Premier League.
The schedule is very busy for Arsenal and Liverpool because at the end of last year they met and only played a draw, but today they will still face each other in the FA Cup and also at the beginning of February they will still meet again in the EPL. This will definitely be an exciting battle for both teams and it is hoped that in whatever situation they will both be able to give their best performance.
But considering that previously both of them only played a draw, I am curious whether one of these teams will win or not in the FA Cup match later. I am quite sure that this time both of them will not remain silent and will want to play again in a draw like before so this will be a prestigious match for the two big teams to finish the previous match. For betting predictions, I recommend the BTTS option or over goal results only because it is very difficult to determine which one of them will win.
On staking this match, both teams scoring will be the best option, but Arsenal playing at home is another advantage for the Gunners to win this match in order to recover from their last two matches. I am expecting Arsenal to win this match.
The English FA Cup match between Arsenal and Liverpool today is a very crucial one for both clubs because if any of them should lose the match today, that club is definitely gonna be eliminated from the competition and that's what none of the will want to experience in this very early stage of the competition. The two teams are top English Premier League clubs and I expect a very strong game but the good thing is that one of them is gonna progress to the next round while the other will be ousted.
A very big game for both clubs ides as they begin chapter 2024. In the english league, there is no excuses and no respecter for anyone. Can the trouble Arsenal players defeat Liverpool? Can Liverpool and Klopp show Arsenal what it means to be a title challenger?
I think over 1.5 is the closest bet while edging Liverpool for a win
This is a very tough match to predict because the both teams are very good and however there last meeting was not too easy for the both side because there performance was equal and even with the home advantage of Liverpool they were still unable to win Arsenal do to how consistent arsenal is on that match so they end up draw, meanwhile Liverpool is coming to there home today, perhaps if arsenal should put in the efforts and performance they had on there last match with Liverpool on there home they will surely have more edge over Liverpool because they always perform very well whenever they play from there home. I think over 1.5 is the closest bet while edging Liverpool for a win
Although the only doubt I'm having on the arsenal side is that they have not been very consistent lately because for several season now they have been having this challenge of losing form at the middle or at the end of every season, so perhaps that's the problem they are currently facing now because they were doing very well at the beginning of the season but right now there performance is unlike them.
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