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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on October 29, 2023, 06:30:38 PM

Manchester City in this season is far from the Manchester City we saw in the last season when they won the Champions League and that's maybe because of the players they left the team. Otherwise, Manchester City could even score more goals and get better results than this against Manchester United because of the current situation they have.

You're right. Man City seems not as strong as in the previous season. There are some changes in Man City, some old players have gone from the club. Moreover, De Bruyne got a severe injury, he is absent in many matches (including the match against Man United). However, Guardiola knows how to apply the right tactic to defeat Man United. He knows well how to win the ball possession, and create more chances to score. Meanwhile Man United gets difficulty to score goals because the attackers didn't get enough opportunities. Man City midfielders played better than the midfielders of Man United, it was the key to win the match. In addition, Man City attackers know well how to destroy Man United weak defense. Without Raphaël Varane, Lisandro Martínez, and Casemiro, it is easy for Man City attackers to beat Man United defenders. Grin

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Quote from: 3meek on October 29, 2023, 03:20:45 PM

City managed to humiliate Man U... It probably didn't surprise anyone, but I thought Man U would do something... I thought they could score a goal, but they didn't... Congratulations to all Man City fans on the win...

Manchester City managed to control the entire match, not only controlling the ball but how they managed to create enough opportunities which ultimately resulted in City scoring 3 goals. It was quite strange to see Manchester United seem completely helpless and couldn't score a single goal, but as you said the result In the end, it's actually not surprising just to see the score showing Manchester United as a fairly weak team when facing a big match.

Liverpool managed to win convincingly and they did not give their opponent Nottingham Forest a chance to develop their game, Liverpool controlled the entire match, and also how this time Liverpool's defense performed better by not letting a single goal into their net give hope that Liverpool is still on the right track to be able to continue competing to be title champions with several teams whose points are currently only slightly different so the competition this season is quite tight.

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Quote from: KingsDen on October 29, 2023, 06:15:26 PM

Expectations are no longer high as almost everyone has known that Manchester city will win Manchester United.

Lol, remember that Manchester United beat City in Old Trafford last season, Wink

well, i get your point; City have been favorites in the derby in recent years now and United fans have to accept the fact that they are currently far behind City at the moment; the gulf in class is so palpable that i can't imagine the next time we'll see United finish above City in the league.

Quote from: KingsDen on October 29, 2023, 06:15:26 PM

But for Today's Manchester Derby, I will rather blame the coach for wrong choices. Despite that so many players are not available to him and City has more quality squad, he would have done better if he played Anthony on the right and Bruno in the number 10 position

If Anthony plays, fans will complain that he didn't play well and maybe should not have started, if Anthony starts on the bench, fans will question the decision to bench him, it is what it is, and even if Anthony played today, he would have had a very quiet game, just like all United's attacking players did.

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Quote from: QueenVera on October 29, 2023, 06:08:54 PM

The difference between Manchester United and City is that City good players that knows what they're doing whereas i think united has a bunch of lazy players and most are earning huge salary and doing little for the club, some players are not worth playing for the team and needs to be offloaded to create chance for new recruitments with winning mentality.

Actually when looking at the current situation I don't think it's just about covering how they performed against Manchester City because looking at the whole of what has been shown so far from Manchester United they still have a lot of work to do.
Ten Hag can still be competent but on the other hand, his way of coaching which is quite authoritarian and does not see from various angles makes his ego very large and this hampers the pace of good performance. Now their attacking line is very bad and actually if you look at some other big clubs at this time, Manchester United can be said to be one of the clubs with the worst attacking line at this time. They do score goals and manage to win but in the last few games in all competitions we know that it is always the defenders like Dallot, Maguire and even MacTominay who score the goals.
This is clearly destabilizing and in the end, apart from the defense that still needs to be addressed, their attack still looks poor.

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Manchester United were just horrible in this derby game. I thought of betting on Manchester City to win but somehow I couldn't trust them completely. Because Manchester United can be unpredictable in home games against big teams in the league. Sometimes they lose hard but the other times they show a great performance.

But I must have done the opposite considering how poor they have been since the beginning of the season. There isn't the same Manchester United from the previous season now. They were desperate in this game and the final score could have been bigger than 3-0. Haaland was the man of the match with 2 goals and 1 assist in my opinion.

The big difference this season is that the other teams are not struggling as hard as last season. Manchester United was the beneficiary because so many other teams were underperforming, but now Tottenham is doing amazing and Liverpool is doing much better as well. I doubt that they will make it into the Champions League this season, but you know I thought Manchester City isn't in great shape either and tried it with a 2-2 draw and bam, City just grilled them. It is never a great idea to bet against Manchester City. But I did not expect that this game would be that one sided.

I think Ten Hag is lucky because they were playing against Manchester City while this team was not in the good form, Manchester City in this season is far from the Manchester City we saw in the last season when they won the Champions League and that's maybe because of the players they left the team. Otherwise, Manchester City could even score more goals and get better results than this against Manchester United because of the current situation they have.

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Quote from: Sakanwa on October 29, 2023, 06:17:51 PM

I cannot criticise Ten Hag,and I cannot say he isn't good,but I think he is not that good. you look at what good coaches are doing at their different clubs,you won't say Ten Hag is very good.Imagine a team like Arsenal after Arsene Wenger,they were struggling,they had to hire different coaches that could not manage the team and the players properly,but ever since they signed Arteta,he has shown that a good coach can make a dead team improve.
Also,take a look at the Barca team now,and how they were before Xavi,you will see the transformation in the team,and how things have changed,that is to show you that a good coach can turn things around in Man u with with same set of players at the club.

I believe that it is no surprise that over a very long period of time it is often the same coaches who are successful. It is correct that he won a lot in the Netherlands with Ajax Amsterdam, but it is a huge difference whether a coach has to lead a golden era team in the Netherlands or whether a coach has to develop a competitive team in the Premier League. I am not a fan of him and I think he lacks personality. He isn't a guy like Klopp and also not like Guardiola. He also isn't like Mourinho. But he did show some arrogance very early on and I think he didn't do that well with his communication either. He still was able to play a decent season, but I doubt that he will achieve much more than that in the Premier League ever.

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Unlike in rhis weekend game where the man united team have ahown alot of disintegration and all forms of abnormal games plays that drag back our motivation for a positve outcome for the club in this season.

Manchester United's problem still looks the same actually, it's just that when a few previous matches when United won it was because the quality of the club they were fighting was below them so that when they met a commensurate opponent even much stronger like this match against Manchester City they were very overwhelmed by it.
Their attacking line is still very incohesive even when talking about goal productivity for Manchester United strikers is still very minimal because if you look at some of the matches that have been played by Manchester United so far, the last time their strikers scored was when they lost to Arsenal 6 weeks ago after that their strikers were very bad and difficult to get goals. Even if they win, the goals scored come from midfielders and even defenders. This is still very bad for Manchester United so they need to make serious changes if they still want to be one of the leading clubs.

I think Manchester United's problems started during the last summer. In fact, they got Eric Ten Hag and he is a good coach but the weakness of Manchester United is they didn't buy good players during the summer and this team didn't improve at all but they had poor performance. I think Ten Hag is still a good coach and he had a good performance at Manchester United but he couldn't hire the players he wanted to hire and made bad decisions. One example is hiring Onana while they had De Gea in this team.

I cannot criticise Ten Hag,and I cannot say he isn't good,but I think he is not that good. you look at what good coaches are doing at their different clubs,you won't say Ten Hag is very good.Imagine a team like Arsenal after Arsene Wenger,they were struggling,they had to hire different coaches that could not manage the team and the players properly,but ever since they signed Arteta,he has shown that a good coach can make a dead team improve.
Also,take a look at the Barca team now,and how they were before Xavi,you will see the transformation in the team,and how things have changed,that is to show you that a good coach can turn things around in Man u with with same set of players at the club.

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MANCHESTER DERBY
For a recent time now Manchester Derby does not hold much weight and anxiety as it used to be before. Expectations are no longer high as almost everyone has known that Manchester city will win Manchester United. I do not actually know the problem of my club Manchester United. I do not know whether the problem is for the players, the coach or the management. But I will strongly blame the Glazer's for the downfall of Manchester United.

But for Today's Manchester Derby, I will rather blame the coach for wrong choices. Despite that so many players are not available to him and City has more quality squad, he would have done better if he played Anthony on the right and Bruno in the number 10 position

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City won the Manchester derby. United continue to get inconsistent results and I think Erik Ten Hag is slowly running out of chances. There is no explanation for such poor play. Since the start of the season there has been no clear improvement in the quality of play and performance. I don't know exactly what the Manchester United management is thinking, but I don't think they will expect this to continue until the end of the season. Either they can sign a new manager at half time or they can make a clear decision after a few weeks and change the manager. As for City, there is not much to say because they are really good and they won thanks to Haaland's extra performance (2 goals and 1 assist).

Erik ten Hag cannot blame the players for today's results because several players who previously performed poorly are now performing better, such as Onana and Maguire. So Erik must think about today defeat to develop a better strategy and I think he should try to give Manchester United young players playing minutes to be able to show their best qualities.

Manchester United certainly must be able to recover in the upcoming match and forget about today's defeat. Indeed, if remember, of course Manchester United performed badly in today's match because they were not able to show their best form when facing a team that was stronger than them. Manchester United may have difficulty closing the season in the top 4 if they are not able to play stronger when facing other strong teams.

From time to time players can perform poorly and that's understandable, but since the start of the season we've seen a tactical weakness in the team and a lack of goals. Both in European games and in the league United have really struggled to find goals rather than moving the ball forward. Ten Hag is the one who has to solve this problem as soon as possible. If the team continues like this for a few more games I think Ten Hag should be sacked. I think this defeat is not because of the players but because of the manager. If you can't show any power against your opponent in derbies like this you have to look for the blame in yourself.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on October 29, 2023, 05:56:29 PM

I think Manchester United's problems started during the last summer. In fact, they got Eric Ten Hag and he is a good coach but the weakness of Manchester United is they didn't buy good players during the summer and this team didn't improve at all but they had poor performance. I think Ten Hag is still a good coach and he had a good performance at Manchester United but he couldn't hire the players he wanted to hire and made bad decisions. One example is hiring Onana while they had De Gea in this team.

Well you're right they didn't utilize the summer window properly and that's why it's affecting them currently, the problem is not generally Erik Ten Hag even though he has his own share of the blame, i believe if united got him the right players or even strengthened their defense line more i feel they would've done better, because if you notice in their match today against City their defense line was very weak and they didn't give any threat to City's attackers they gave them much chances especially Lindelof who marked Haaland like he was very scared of him.

The difference between Manchester United and City is that City good players that knows what they're doing whereas i think united has a bunch of lazy players and most are earning huge salary and doing little for the club, some players are not worth playing for the team and needs to be offloaded to create chance for new recruitments with winning mentality.

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Quote from: Raflesia on October 29, 2023, 05:03:40 PM

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Unlike in rhis weekend game where the man united team have ahown alot of disintegration and all forms of abnormal games plays that drag back our motivation for a positve outcome for the club in this season.

Manchester United's problem still looks the same actually, it's just that when a few previous matches when United won it was because the quality of the club they were fighting was below them so that when they met a commensurate opponent even much stronger like this match against Manchester City they were very overwhelmed by it.
Their attacking line is still very incohesive even when talking about goal productivity for Manchester United strikers is still very minimal because if you look at some of the matches that have been played by Manchester United so far, the last time their strikers scored was when they lost to Arsenal 6 weeks ago after that their strikers were very bad and difficult to get goals. Even if they win, the goals scored come from midfielders and even defenders. This is still very bad for Manchester United so they need to make serious changes if they still want to be one of the leading clubs.

I think Manchester United's problems started during the last summer. In fact, they got Eric Ten Hag and he is a good coach but the weakness of Manchester United is they didn't buy good players during the summer and this team didn't improve at all but they had poor performance. I think Ten Hag is still a good coach and he had a good performance at Manchester United but he couldn't hire the players he wanted to hire and made bad decisions. One example is hiring Onana while they had De Gea in this team.

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Quote from: EFS on October 29, 2023, 05:33:38 PM

I didn't expect anything from United, it was an easy win for City. I don't remember such low odds for City win in Old Trafford. It was expected by everyone.
Haaland is in good form. City needs him as they are at the beginning of a though fixture. They won't get any breather until the middle of December.

I think everyone feels the same, we all never expect Man United to steal points from the match against the strongest team in EPL (Man City). Man City is in the 3rd place, they must expect to shorten the point gap with Arsenal and Tottenham. They showed it by playing all out against Man United, they even didn't let Man United to have many chances to score. Moreover, Haaland is in his best form, he needs some goals to maintain the position for the top scorer race. That's why Guardiola lest him to play until the match was over.

Yes, Man City will have some big matches in the near future. They won't feel relaxed until the end of the year. They will play against Chelsea in matchday 12, against Liverpool in matchday 13, against Tottenham in matchday 14, and against Aston Villa in matchday 15. Man City will be very busy, they must keep good performance to win all the big matches.

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The England derby was interesting as I hoped it would. It was even better than I anticipated. It's just sad how Manchester United lacked control even at home. I would not blame them though, because they even managed to get a goal from one of the most talked about defender, Maguire, in their last champions league match against Copahengen.
Manchester city needed more goals to stay on top of Arsenal who is leading by an early goal advantage on the premier league table. Am glad they didn't get to tally Arsenal in this one.

Manchester City should be congratulated. They destroyed United in the derby and taught them how to play football. Manchester United is losing ground day by day. They are eighth in the league and this is a really big problem for them. There is a possibility that they will not get out of the group in UCL. The Red Devils are showing a performance far below previous years. Arsenal, Tottenham, Manchester City and Liverpool are still in the championship race.

Manchester United is not performing well, but when playing against a side like Manchester City, such results are to be expected because their performances cannot be compared. Manchester City has dominated this league for a long time and will continue to do so for some time if they are persistent in being consistent. The teams that are still in the championship race must maintain their winning ways; otherwise, they will be considered less favourably and may drop out of the race once again. So far, we've seen teams who have the ability to win the league title; nevertheless, only time will tell who will win the league title.

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Quote from: 3meek on October 29, 2023, 03:20:45 PM

City managed to humiliate Man U... It probably didn't surprise anyone, but I thought Man U would do something... I thought they could score a goal, but they didn't... Congratulations to all Man City fans on the win...

The Manchester City team I know, doesn't fail to deal with whichever team that are not in good form when playing against them. Unfortunately, Manchester United finds themselves in the hands of Manchester City that are hungry for wins and goals to stay on top of the Premier League table by all means.

The next big team, that will be at the mercy of Manchester City will be Chelsea. I am looking forward to that day when Chelsea will receive the same lashes of goals when they play against Manchester City in November.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on October 29, 2023, 05:28:07 PM

Manchester United were just horrible in this derby game. I thought of betting on Manchester City to win but somehow I couldn't trust them completely. Because Manchester United can be unpredictable in home games against big teams in the league. Sometimes they lose hard but the other times they show a great performance.

But I must have done the opposite considering how poor they have been since the beginning of the season. There isn't the same Manchester United from the previous season now. They were desperate in this game and the final score could have been bigger than 3-0. Haaland was the man of the match with 2 goals and 1 assist in my opinion.

Manchester City showed class tonight innit? They should have scored more than just three goals, thanks to Andrea Onana for saving the efforts from Erling Haaland twice.
Manchester City are better even with the absence of key players, they would run down Manchester United anyday with this kind of display. They really deserves the win but it feels like the penalty awarded was too light. Though, Hojlund should have done better by contesting for the ball rather than dragging Rodri slightly.

Home and away they have been poor. I even placed em to score a goal and they couldn't. Erling Haaland deserves it, I read somewhere in the UEFA Champions League someone saying Erling Haaland is a small game player. ( Joker Innit? )

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Quote from: Velvet78 on October 29, 2023, 05:28:07 PM

Manchester United were just horrible in this derby game. I thought of betting on Manchester City to win but somehow I couldn't trust them completely. Because Manchester United can be unpredictable in home games against big teams in the league. Sometimes they lose hard but the other times they show a great performance.

But I must have done the opposite considering how poor they have been since the beginning of the season. There isn't the same Manchester United from the previous season now. They were desperate in this game and the final score could have been bigger than 3-0. Haaland was the man of the match with 2 goals and 1 assist in my opinion.

The big difference this season is that the other teams are not struggling as hard as last season. Manchester United was the beneficiary because so many other teams were underperforming, but now Tottenham is doing amazing and Liverpool is doing much better as well. I doubt that they will make it into the Champions League this season, but you know I thought Manchester City isn't in great shape either and tried it with a 2-2 draw and bam, City just grilled them. It is never a great idea to bet against Manchester City. But I did not expect that this game would be that one sided.

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Quote from: 3meek on October 29, 2023, 03:20:45 PM

City managed to humiliate Man U... It probably didn't surprise anyone, but I thought Man U would do something... I thought they could score a goal, but they didn't... Congratulations to all Man City fans on the win...

I didn't expect anything from United, it was an easy win for City. I don't remember such low odds for City win in Old Trafford. It was expected by everyone.
Haaland is in good form. City needs him as they are at the beginning of a though fixture. They won't get any breather until the middle of December.

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Manchester United were just horrible in this derby game. I thought of betting on Manchester City to win but somehow I couldn't trust them completely. Because Manchester United can be unpredictable in home games against big teams in the league. Sometimes they lose hard but the other times they show a great performance.

But I must have done the opposite considering how poor they have been since the beginning of the season. There isn't the same Manchester United from the previous season now. They were desperate in this game and the final score could have been bigger than 3-0. Haaland was the man of the match with 2 goals and 1 assist in my opinion.

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Quote from: odunybiz on October 29, 2023, 03:21:56 PM

I'm not surprise on what really happened on the match today. Although I expected at least ManU should score a goal but I know they can hardly win the match.

Manchester United should feel ashamed of themselves for giving up as many goals as they did today. Throughout the entire match, Manchester United failed to score a single goal. They had numerous excellent opportunities to score, but they were all wasted. I'm sure that even Ten Hag is confused at the moment. The player that everyone has been criticising, Onana, played a really good game. I was surprised by some of his excellent saves. In the game, Manchester United would have given up more goals than three if it weren't for Onana. Onana's performance has improved even though Manchester United lost today.

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Quote from: nurilham on October 29, 2023, 04:16:51 PM

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City managed to humiliate Man U... It probably didn't surprise anyone, but I thought Man U would do something... I thought they could score a goal, but they didn't... Congratulations to all Man City fans on the win...

Man United performed like a mediocre team, he even played worse than a mediocre team. If Man United can't improve their game like they played against Man City, they have no difference than Chelsea. The match was held in Old Trafford, but Man City played like the match was held at Man City home. I don't know why Man United was so weak, they even failed to score a single goal. Well, it is a shameful match for Man United, they surely didn't do anything. Roll Eyes

I think Man United defense looks very badly, I'm surprised Varane was on the bench. Man United midfield also has no power without Casemiro, Amrabat-Eriksen wasn't strong enough to take the ball possessions. They only got 39% ball possessions, it means Man City midfielders very dominated the ball possessions. On the other hand, Man United attackers couldn't do much effort, they only could make 3 shot on target and no goal at all.

I think we couldn't expect to see anything other than this from Manchester United in this match. We know the defense power in this team is poor and they can't rely on the players they have on the other hand Manchester City has a player like Haaland in their team who can score goals easily even against stronger defenders and he was even about to score more goals in this match. Now it's normal to see Eric Ten Hag under more pressure because of the results they got and there is more chance for him to get fired because of the bad performance he had so far in Manchester United.

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