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Quote from: Arenga pinnata on November 03, 2024, 08:05:55 PM

Well, it's more fun to see how Man United plays now compared to when there was Ten Hag. All the players are currently playing without a burden on their minds. They played freely and most importantly they seemed to be enjoying the match more at the moment. I don't know whether this is just my point of view or not. But I'm sure many have the same point of view as me. It could even be said that Man United's defense level has also improved at this time. Even though usually Man United's defense level always has gaps. But this time Chelsea even had difficulty building an aggressive attack as usual. I am sure that Man United will return to being a team whose strength can be taken into account again. Even though it takes time, improvements have been seen in the last two matches after Ten Hag left.

There are many possibilities for the future for Manchester United's performance but I am also sure that it will be better than when Ten Hag became Manchester United's coach because so far Ten Hag has built a disharmonious relationship with the players so that Manchester United players cannot carry out Ten Hag's tactics well.
A good step was taken by Manchester United's management to fire Ten Hag even though I think it was a little late but it was better than nothing at all.
A draw against Chelsea is fair enough for both teams, these are two top Premier League teams regardless of the poor performance of both teams or not getting the best performance from both teams but I think a draw will be fair for both.

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Quote from: Arenga pinnata on November 03, 2024, 08:05:55 PM

Well, it's more fun to see how Man United plays now compared to when there was Ten Hag. All the players are currently playing without a burden on their minds. They played freely and most importantly they seemed to be enjoying the match more at the moment. I don't know whether this is just my point of view or not. But I'm sure many have the same point of view as me. It could even be said that Man United's defense level has also improved at this time. Even though usually Man United's defense level always has gaps. But this time Chelsea even had difficulty building an aggressive attack as usual. I am sure that Man United will return to being a team whose strength can be taken into account again. Even though it takes time, improvements have been seen in the last two matches after Ten Hag left.

Manchester United has been playing well lately. They seem happy and free without pressure. Since Erik ten Hag left players look renewed. Their defense has improved, making it hard for opponents to score. Chelsea strong attacking team struggled to create chances. This change is promising for Manchester United future. Last two games show good signs. With new management United can become top team again. We need to be patient but foundation is being built. Manchester United is heading in the right direction.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on November 03, 2024, 07:55:42 PM

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Well, Ruud van Nistelrooy seems capable of bringing Man United to better improvements. In the match against Chelsea, we also saw how Man United created quite a lot of opportunities. Unfortunately, the shooting accuracy of the Man United players is always off target and always deviates slightly from the target. But a 1-1 draw was good enough even though Man United only got one goal from a penalty kick taken by Bruno Fernandes. But still it's still a pretty good result. At least their playing pattern has really returned to a good playing pattern and is not boring.

To be honest, we have seen better performances from Manchester United in the last two matches. When Ten Hag coached Manchester United, the overall gameplay of this team did not seem to me to have a specific match strategy. The bonding between the players was also very weak. The players had no specific goals.

However, the overall gameplay of Manchester United in the last two matches was quite good. Manchester United team was able to win against Leicester City by a big margin of 5-2. The attacking players also played very well in this match. And Manchester United's performance against Chelsea in today's match was very good. We saw that Manchester United's players were able to launch several powerful attacks. At the same time the bonding between the players is getting stronger. It is expected that the overall performance of Manchester United will gradually become stronger.

Well, it's more fun to see how Man United plays now compared to when there was Ten Hag. All the players are currently playing without a burden on their minds. They played freely and most importantly they seemed to be enjoying the match more at the moment. I don't know whether this is just my point of view or not. But I'm sure many have the same point of view as me. It could even be said that Man United's defense level has also improved at this time. Even though usually Man United's defense level always has gaps. But this time Chelsea even had difficulty building an aggressive attack as usual. I am sure that Man United will return to being a team whose strength can be taken into account again. Even though it takes time, improvements have been seen in the last two matches after Ten Hag left.

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Quote from: Arenga pinnata on November 03, 2024, 07:51:21 PM

Well, Ruud van Nistelrooy seems capable of bringing Man United to better improvements. In the match against Chelsea, we also saw how Man United created quite a lot of opportunities. Unfortunately, the shooting accuracy of the Man United players is always off target and always deviates slightly from the target. But a 1-1 draw was good enough even though Man United only got one goal from a penalty kick taken by Bruno Fernandes. But still it's still a pretty good result. At least their playing pattern has really returned to a good playing pattern and is not boring.

To be honest, we have seen better performances from Manchester United in the last two matches. When Ten Hag coached Manchester United, the overall gameplay of this team did not seem to me to have a specific match strategy. The bonding between the players was also very weak. The players had no specific goals.

However, the overall gameplay of Manchester United in the last two matches was quite good. Manchester United team was able to win against Leicester City by a big margin of 5-2. The attacking players also played very well in this match. And Manchester United's performance against Chelsea in today's match was very good. We saw that Manchester United's players were able to launch several powerful attacks. At the same time the bonding between the players is getting stronger. It is expected that the overall performance of Manchester United will gradually become stronger.

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Quote from: Weawant on November 03, 2024, 04:19:51 PM

Van nesterool doesn't look bad after all, so far he's showing some gradual improvements or maybe could it be he's better with relating to the players than his former superior, the results Manchester United is getting recently speaks loud of improvement and they have also shown same with their performance too, today's results wasn't a bad one but they need to improve with their defense and make sure not to slack too early after their first goals

Well, Ruud van Nistelrooy seems capable of bringing Man United to better improvements. In the match against Chelsea, we also saw how Man United created quite a lot of opportunities. Unfortunately, the shooting accuracy of the Man United players is always off target and always deviates slightly from the target. But a 1-1 draw was good enough even though Man United only got one goal from a penalty kick taken by Bruno Fernandes. But still it's still a pretty good result. At least their playing pattern has really returned to a good playing pattern and is not boring.

But the problem is that Van Nistelrooy is only temporarily coaching there. So we don't know whether the new coach who will come will be able to bring positive changes like those brought by Van Nistelrooy or not. I think that's an important question.

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Quote from: Weawant on November 03, 2024, 05:50:48 PM

Even with the victory, Tottenham still staying below Aston Villa by two points having Tottenham at the sixth position and Aston Villa at the fifth position which has actually turned out that if Tottenham still wins their next game they just need to hope Aston Villa doesn't els they will still be behind them, though they had an epic win today and it got them boosting their confidence most likely just like last season, Tottenham is going to make supimss

For this season Tottenham is not a team that can be expected I mean their game is inconsistent, I still remember how they beat West Ham a few weeks ago when Tottenham conceded first then they made an epic comeback by scoring 4 goals and today Tottenham repeats the same thing destroyed Aston Villa with the same score. Maybe we think Tottenham will be more confident in the next match but I doubt it because based on their match there is no consistency from 10 matches they only won 5 times and lost 4 times.

Yes they are far too inconsistent. They literally lose one game to the win one game. It is like that, win/loss/win/loss/win... I don't know, I think they haven't invested enough in recent years to add some quality players. Only a few talents, but not the big investments and they haven't done a lot to replace Harry Kane either.

I still think they have a realistic chance to make it into the top four and I doubt that Nottingham can preserve their momentum and stay there, but Tottenham is certainly not good enough to compete for the title.

But looking at their position in the table, this 4-1 against Aston Villa came unexpected. They have totally dominated the game and Aston Villa barely had the chance. Which is weird because you would think that a team dominating Aston Villa like that should be far more consistent.

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Van nesterool doesn't look bad after all, so far he's showing some gradual improvements or maybe could it be he's better with relating to the players than his former superior, the results Manchester United is getting recently speaks loud of improvement and they have also shown same with their performance too, today's results wasn't a bad one but they need to improve with their defense and make sure not to slack too early after their first goals

I don't think there was anything wrong with Manchester United's defense today, but they just failed to properly anticipate Caicedo's kick which came from a loose ball. Goals with this scheme are very difficult for any team to anticipate, even if they have good defenders. Manchester United just needs to increase their goal productivity and not waste many opportunities, that is the problem in this match in my opinion.

Even though this was Ruud van Nistelrooy's first match in the Premier League with Manchester United, he really brought great enthusiasm to the squad. I have never seen Manchester United as enthusiastic as today when they were coached by Ten Hag, so there is an improvement in the mentality of the squad which should be appreciated.

Manchester United continued to play well in defense and while there was little expectation of looses balls, this led to the opponent scoring goals. Such things are of course never easy to foresee with any side, however by being more concerted and ruthless in front of goal, one has to expect that they will be able to come through similar tests in the future. Most importantly, this team has a solid back line and now it is the time to make more and more goals in each game.

The signing of Ruud van Nistelrooy compelled new and high spirit amongst Manchester United players. Even here we can see players’ enthusiasm as if there is a new energy that takes them to the right mentality. This is very inspiring, for not only has the quality of the game rose, but the team work that appears to be more firm and unified under him.

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Quote from: Weawant on November 03, 2024, 05:50:48 PM

Even with the victory, Tottenham still staying below Aston Villa by two points having Tottenham at the sixth position and Aston Villa at the fifth position which has actually turned out that if Tottenham still wins their next game they just need to hope Aston Villa doesn't els they will still be behind them, though they had an epic win today and it got them boosting their confidence most likely just like last season, Tottenham is going to make supimss

For this season Tottenham is not a team that can be expected I mean their game is inconsistent, I still remember how they beat West Ham a few weeks ago when Tottenham conceded first then they made an epic comeback by scoring 4 goals and today Tottenham repeats the same thing destroyed Aston Villa with the same score. Maybe we think Tottenham will be more confident in the next match but I doubt it because based on their match there is no consistency from 10 matches they only won 5 times and lost 4 times.

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Quote from: Huppercase on November 03, 2024, 03:16:06 PM

It's not easy for team to win host and Manchester United are aiming higher, it will be difficult to make this game a weak one against Manchester United even though I think they didn't put more effort. Chelsea really outperform them here because if not for the penalty, I'm sure thag Manchester United might be able to make goals because when Chelsea score, that remaining time will be difficult for them to fight back Chelsea. Atleast nobody is going to criticized them today.

I will agree with you that Manchester United were simply better in this match than we even see them, they played like school boys last weekend against West Ham but were much better in the previous matches. One thing I will like to point something out is even under Erik Ten Hag Chelsea has been a club that Manchester United doesn’t have lots of problems facing they won just last season with a die minute goals from Cole Palmer, so even at that I knew Manchester United wouldn’t be any different this time around they will properly get a point off them and it turned out well.

This game between is nothing different from a Ten Hag formation but the players were just simply pumped and they wanted to prove their worth to the incoming manager and that’s why they put in a better performance today and nothing more. Seriously I would disagree with you that Chelsea were better, Chelsea actually didn’t create any chances quite as clear as Manchester United other than the Fofana header and the brilliant goal by Caicedo. But Manchester had many chances with Gernacho wasting too or more, Bruno blazing one up and Zirkzee who was suppose to score also didn’t take the chance presented to him

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Quote from: skarais on November 03, 2024, 04:43:55 PM

I don't think there was anything wrong with Manchester United's defense today, but they just failed to properly anticipate Caicedo's kick which came from a loose ball. Goals with this scheme are very difficult for any team to anticipate, even if they have good defenders. Manchester United just needs to increase their goal productivity and not waste many opportunities, that is the problem in this match in my opinion.

Actually this is still quite good, at least, under Ruud, Man United maintains its performance and only shares points, not defeating I know this is certainly not that satisfying, but this is much better than some of the series of defeats experienced by Man United. especially this time the opponent is Chelsea who also often troubles big tips.

Source: Manchester Utd vs Chelsea

Their defense has also started to improve, although it is not yet optimal, at least there are some saves made by their defense.
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I noticed one thing about the English premier league nowadays, most of the big matches are so boring to watch, both teams will either play poorly or the coaches will decide to be tactical and the match will end up being boring. Like I never expected Chelsea vs Manchester united match to be this boring but it still enp up being boring. It was suppose to be a good and entertaining match but reverse is the case. I wish big matches could be the way it use to be, it alot of talking point.

Chelsea got a point back to Stanford bridge and they currently sit in the top 4. They play gunners in their next premier league fixture, I pray it not another boring match too.

I don't understand which part makes you bored in watching English premier league matches? is it because Man Vitu and Arsenal lost in the last match? or what? just because the Man United and Chelsea match ended in a draw doesn't mean it's boring? did you lose the bet to say something like that?

The game in the English premier league certainly has ups and downs, precisely like the defeat and victory it becomes a catalyst for competition in the league and makes this league more interesting, rather than just being quasi by the big teams, the lower middle team also gives a very strong emphasis to shift the above, overall in my opinion it looks amazing.

But it cannot be denied that although in terms of actual results this match is quite good and in statistics it is quite balanced but seeing the way Chelsea and Manchester United play is actually quite tactical even though the tension is still very fast like the way EPL matches in general but they are too careful in this case so that it makes the ball roll more in the middle with back passes and midfield battles rather than trying to insist on 3 points which might be said to be boring.

I think it is quite natural when there will be some people who say this because indeed the EPL treat especially for big matches is always very big so when there is a big match happening but the two clubs try to hold back more because they are satisfied with 1 point owned then there will definitely be some people who say this is boring even though for some others this is still worth watching.

In conclusion, the match was just a 50/50 match. The two clubs were too careful of themselves not to lose a point at the end of the game because a point is still better than none. Let them go happily and prepare for their next match.
Manchester United has done well, the same as Chelsea. Both team's strengths are just equal in today's match. If Manchester United should continue having this type of play, they won't be having backlash of insults from their fans. At least they may see to the 6th-7th spot before the end of the season, while Chelsea may be among the top four contestants of the PL

True, I watched the game from the beginning till the final whistle and I can say that both teams played very well, I wasn't expecting Manchester United team to get a point in this game because they have been in poor form despite their recent win against Leicester in the cup match but their performance today shows that there will be a better improvement with the introduction of a new manager. 50:50 game it was and both teams were very careful not to make careless mistakes they could make them concede goals and at the end Manchester United converted a penalty to lead the game but M. Caicedo brought back Chelsea into the game with his goal in the 745th minutes and at the end of it was a 1:1 draw.goid performance from both side they deserve the point they shared anyways.

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Quote from: Weawant on November 03, 2024, 05:50:48 PM

Even with the victory, Tottenham still staying below Aston Villa by two points having Tottenham at the sixth position and Aston Villa at the fifth position which has actually turned out that if Tottenham still wins their next game they just need to hope Aston Villa doesn't els they will still be behind them, though they had an epic win today and it got them boosting their confidence most likely just like last season, Tottenham is going to make supimss

I think the competition for who finishes in the top four of the English Premier League table this season will be more intense in than it's been in recent seasons and that's because after 10 league games so far, the difference between third placed Nottingham Forest and 8th placed Brighton and Hove Albion is just 3 points. Tottenham like you rightly said defeated their visitors Aston Villa to claim all three points in their game today but that wasn't enough to to see them overtake them in the league table

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I disagree. Bear in mind that these big clubs are competing in nearly all competitions, and I feel it’s largely due to fatigue and rotations that make some of their matches not as exciting as they should be. In my opinion, the Manchester United vs. Chelsea match was entertaining and full of excitement from start to finish. The fact that Chelsea managed a draw with Manchester United doesn’t mean their next encounter with Arsenal won’t be even more entertaining to watch.

But is that really your opinion about the best professionals in the world, who are taken care of 24/7 with all their doctors and massages and chefs cooking for them? The season is three months old and we are discussing fatigue symptoms. I get that the sport can be exhausting when there are three games within seven days, but seriously these guys go through recovery programs living like kings. They have nothing else to do in their lives but to keep care of their body and do some relatively slight training sessions during weeks with high work loads. I always think that if you were right with your hypothesis, what should ice hockey or basketball players say given their number of games?

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Even with the victory, Tottenham still staying below Aston Villa by two points having Tottenham at the sixth position and Aston Villa at the fifth position which has actually turned out that if Tottenham still wins their next game they just need to hope Aston Villa doesn't els they will still be behind them, though they had an epic win today and it got them boosting their confidence most likely just like last season, Tottenham is going to make supimss

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Quote from: Abbatty on November 03, 2024, 03:11:13 PM

I noticed one thing about the English premier league nowadays, most of the big matches are so boring to watch, both teams will either play poorly or the coaches will decide to be tactical and the match will end up being boring. Like I never expected Chelsea vs Manchester united match to be this boring but it still enp up being boring. It was suppose to be a good and entertaining match but reverse is the case. I wish big matches could be the way it use to be, it alot of talking point.

Chelsea got a point back to Stanford bridge and they currently sit in the top 4. They play gunners in their next premier league fixture, I pray it not another boring match too.

I disagree. Bear in mind that these big clubs are competing in nearly all competitions, and I feel it’s largely due to fatigue and rotations that make some of their matches not as exciting as they should be. In my opinion, the Manchester United vs. Chelsea match was entertaining and full of excitement from start to finish. The fact that Chelsea managed a draw with Manchester United doesn’t mean their next encounter with Arsenal won’t be even more entertaining to watch.

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Quote from: KTChampions on November 03, 2024, 05:02:57 PM

I don't like City and I would like Arsenal to be above them in the league table, but still these are very different defeats even though City lost to an outsider and Arsenal to a good team.

well, the fact that you hate city isn't a headstart to your dear arsenal team... They still gotta put in the work to earn their desired slot... The premier league don't GAF who you like and who you dislike, sorry.

currently, the 3rd and 4th positions are being occupied by two strong teams in their finest forms and, I'm afraid nobody wants to come down.

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Now, in addition to the fact that they are 5 points behind City and 7 points behind Liverpool, they have been overtaken by other teams and, in fact, even a place in the top 4 is becoming questionable.

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Arsenal players were barely loafing around on the pitch, with a rather defensive type of play... I mean, why should they be play a defensive game if they really needed a goal?
Meanwhile, the swift cross from Gordon to Isak in the 12th-minute of the game was spot on... The defenders were too loose at that point and that counter attack was a brilliant one.

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Quote from: Abbatty on November 03, 2024, 03:11:13 PM

I noticed one thing about the English premier league nowadays, most of the big matches are so boring to watch, both teams will either play poorly or the coaches will decide to be tactical and the match will end up being boring. Like I never expected Chelsea vs Manchester united match to be this boring but it still enp up being boring. It was suppose to be a good and entertaining match but reverse is the case. I wish big matches could be the way it use to be, it alot of talking point.

Chelsea got a point back to Stanford bridge and they currently sit in the top 4. They play gunners in their next premier league fixture, I pray it not another boring match too.

I don't understand which part makes you bored in watching English premier league matches? is it because Man Vitu and Arsenal lost in the last match? or what? just because the Man United and Chelsea match ended in a draw doesn't mean it's boring? did you lose the bet to say something like that?

The game in the English premier league certainly has ups and downs, precisely like the defeat and victory it becomes a catalyst for competition in the league and makes this league more interesting, rather than just being quasi by the big teams, the lower middle team also gives a very strong emphasis to shift the above, overall in my opinion it looks amazing.

But it cannot be denied that although in terms of actual results this match is quite good and in statistics it is quite balanced but seeing the way Chelsea and Manchester United play is actually quite tactical even though the tension is still very fast like the way EPL matches in general but they are too careful in this case so that it makes the ball roll more in the middle with back passes and midfield battles rather than trying to insist on 3 points which might be said to be boring.

I think it is quite natural when there will be some people who say this because indeed the EPL treat especially for big matches is always very big so when there is a big match happening but the two clubs try to hold back more because they are satisfied with 1 point owned then there will definitely be some people who say this is boring even though for some others this is still worth watching.

In conclusion, the match was just a 50/50 match. The two clubs were too careful of themselves not to lose a point at the end of the game because a point is still better than none. Let them go happily and prepare for their next match.
Manchester United has done well, the same as Chelsea. Both team's strengths are just equal in today's match. If Manchester United should continue having this type of play, they won't be having backlash of insults from their fans. At least they may see to the 6th-7th spot before the end of the season, while Chelsea may be among the top four contestants of the PL

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Manchester United's game will not improve until they improve, as the first half was a frustrating affair with neither team able to attack normally. But coming into the second half, both teams scored 1-1, but in between, Chelsea team players were stupid, due to which Manchester United team got a penalty and succeeded.
However, there is a huge difference between the Chelsea team and the Manchester United team at present, between these two teams, the Chelsea team's game has improved a lot, but the Manchester United team has shown weakness in comparison.

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Quote from: snipie on November 03, 2024, 02:27:45 PM

This round is weird for both Arsenal and Manchester City. Gunners failed to score any goal and pass Newcastle United. Manchester City was defeated by Bournemouth by two goals to one which was humiliating for such big team. Bournemouth couldn't be seen before that in the first half of the table..
Now Manchester City failed twice these days, first they were eliminated from EFL Carabao Cup and now shameful defeat vs Bournemouth which allowed Liverpool to jump in front of them and take the first place!

I don't like City and I would like Arsenal to be above them in the league table, but still these are very different defeats even though City lost to an outsider and Arsenal to a good team. Arsenal no longer had the right to make mistakes and they had to try to capitalise on the other team's loss of points instead of losing points themselves. Now, in addition to the fact that they are 5 points behind City and 7 points behind Liverpool, they have been overtaken by other teams and, in fact, even a place in the top 4 is becoming questionable.

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Quote from: aylabadia05 on November 03, 2024, 02:46:46 PM

It's a shame that this match ended in a draw, even though I really wanted Manchester United to win it. Garnacho had several chances, but sometimes he seemed very selfish as he often tried to score goals himself instead of passing to his friends. Only penalties can be maximized by Fernandes, other than that it fails.

But indeed this result is still something good than the match in the previous week even though there still has to be an evaluation in this case for Manchester United especially in finishing problems but at least this result is still good enough for them.

The nature of player egoism for Manchester United has never ended even though now actually this is less common than before but of course this must also be a consideration in improvement because if it continues like this it will seem to impose its will even though their current condition is not very good especially for football it is clear that cohesiveness as a team is something that can lift performance.
I'm actually quite satisfied with this result because Chelsea have also played very well lately so 1 point seems to be a worthy thing for them in this match.

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