Premier League Prediction Thread 2021/2022 - page 649.

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Quote from: $crypto$ on August 15, 2024, 11:24:43 AM

The Premier League kicks off this weekend so our boredom will soon be over as it's a league we look forward to betting on, of course. Grin

I have prepared a combo bet for the first week:
Man United @1.60
Liverpool @1.33
Newcastle @1.35
Man City @1.81
Total odds @5.20

It won't be much $10 is enough to bet, because that's what I can afford to lose if it's $10. Tongue

Don't rush into making a choice before you know which players will fill the main line-up for each team.
I know you only pick your favorite team to win the match including Manchester United, but sometimes the results don't match reality. Changes in the odds may occur before the match starts, so be patient for a moment before you make a choice.

The first week will bring Manchester United vs Fulham together, of course Manchester United has a high probability of winning. I'm sure that will be true, but first matches are usually difficult to predict. Manchester City could lose against Chelsea, this is because of the start of the season.

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Quote from: $crypto$ on August 15, 2024, 11:24:43 AM

The Premier League kicks off this weekend so our boredom will soon be over as it's a league we look forward to betting on, of course. Grin

I have prepared a combo bet for the first week:
Man United @1.60
Liverpool @1.33
Newcastle @1.35
Man City @1.81
Total odds @5.20

It won't be much $10 is enough to bet, because that's what I can afford to lose if it's $10. Tongue

I don't know about you but something just tells me maybe one of those big boys are going to slip up although not that am against your prediction or accumulated odds but I don't always feel comfortable playing these all direct wins, for me I just think betting on goals is more preferable so I feel more comfortable playing on goals but goodluck mate on your predictions and I agreed with you on the part of the weekend boredom ending soon.

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Quote from: Nheer on August 15, 2024, 10:44:46 AM

Quote from: Antotena on August 14, 2024, 04:22:05 PM

Chelsea has the money to sign Osimhen, had it been he is from Europe they wouldn't bargain the way trey are doing him right now but they are using Lukaku as bait and that's very unfair for Osimhen. African best player of 2023 is been treated like someone that is been force to stay but no matter what, I don't want him ridicule his career in Napoli, Chelsea need a player like him, someone that is ready to make the team win and that's the only way they can do well this season and aim for top spot in the table.

I beg to disagree with your submission about the offers Chelsea have made so far in their bid to sign Victor Osimhen. The offers Chelsea have made so far I don't think would've been different of the striker of was from any of their European countries. Victor Osimhen you remember was one of the hottest properties in Europe last summer but instead of leaving Napoli last summer, he decided to extend his contract despite the numerous offers he got and last season, he failed to replicate the same impressive performance of last two seasons so you don't expect Chelsea to pay excessively more than they should pay because he's African or European. He won African Best Player award because of his performance of last two seasons and had he replicated it last season, Chelsea certainly would've made a better offer.

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Quote from: bestcoins1 on August 15, 2024, 04:57:31 AM

Let's see how the Osimhen rumors develop from now because the official season will start soon and we also need to see how much Chelsea wants to bring this player to the Premier League. In addition, Osimhen is also being targeted by other teams so Chelsea must be able to handle this more quickly and if Chelsea are very willing to let Lukaku go to another team like Napoli, I think it will look more like a player swap between Lukaku and Osimhen for both teams.

Napoli wants to exchange Osimehn and Lukaku, but Chelsea management requires that Osimehn reduce his salary and either stay at Napoli or move on to other teams if Chelsea cannot afford his current price. Well, I haven't heard that players should cut their salaries to sign him, isn't the club interested in signing him? Unless Mbappe terminated his contract to join Real Madrid, which everyone knows he has wanted to play for the club since he was a child. Perhaps Chelsea does not want to spend such a high amount for an African player despite that Osimehn is one of the scorers in Seria A. He led Napoli to the league title in the last two seasons and was the highest goal scorer, I'm still confused about why Chelsea insists on reducing the player's salary like he wasn't worth paying for. Let us wait and see what happens because Napoli is the only team interested in Lukaku, and if Chelsea wants to sell him, they must sign Osimehn because Conte wants to work with Lukaku as a striker next season.

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Quote from: BITCOIN4X on August 15, 2024, 11:19:38 AM

Osimhen's price is no less than €100m which is a high selling point, but he is still very productive if he is always fit. Osimhen is still 25 years old now, so Chelsea probably have nothing to lose by paying Napoli €100m. However, Chelsea still needs to make some adjustments to the size of its large squad so that they don't have to spend more salaries in a season. Lukaku could be sold or bartered with Osimhen to Napoli, but the decision depends on the agreement between both parties.

Osimhen will do well for Chelsea if they decide to sign him for the club's squad in this season. Lukaku in Napoli will make a good performance for the club while Osimhen can equally do well for the Chelsea club as well. It's in Chelsea's advantage to secure the swap deal for the club and ensure that it works best for them. He's young and highly skilled and also ambitious. That's what Chelsea needs in the front line now to make more goals this season. This season will be utterly competitive for all the clubs including the small ones so Chelsea among other elite clubs must step up on their games to survive.

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But Chelsea's transfer business so far has been an absolute joke. It's the third season of them trying to buy a shit ton of players who are not even proven. If they spent money by buying PL-proven players, it would have been understandable, but their business model is very confusing. They are giving players 8-9-year contracts for financial rules, but how is that a proper business? Chelsea is in shambles.

And don't be surprised if in the future there will be many Chelsea players who are thrown away again, loaned and even choose to take offers from other clubs. With a squad of more than 40, who wants to share a seat in a full season? Enzo Maresca will not even be able to manage that many players to find the ideal format. Chelsea this season embarrassed themselves especially in a competition as big as the EPL where player consistency is the key to survival. I don't like this kind of recruitment, and any club that is still rational will think 10x to buy players whose quality is not at all above standard.

That's why I say Chelsea only buy players blindly because they have money, so they don't have good control to make the right choices. Because anyway, with them feeling they have a lot of money, then they will only buy according to lust and not for needs. Because after all,with the team having a large squad like that it will also certainly be very unfortunate for the players themselves who do not get a place.

After all, if they only have the right or small squad, ofcourse the coach will be able to maximize the great potential of each player. But because they have a lot of players, of course, it will also make it difficult for the coach to determine the players who will really be the main players in the main squad too, of course.

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Quote from: xzone on August 15, 2024, 11:21:00 AM

I think such a move could be logical for a player who is due for sale. 100k euros is not a lot of money, if you want to sell the player you don't want him to lose value. As far as I know he is 25 years old now, if a team wants to buy him we can say that he is at the best age to sell him. His experience is increasing and he still has potential, it could be an attractive situation for most teams. Therefore, it is necessary to be a little careful and sensitive when determining the salary

Nkethia is a good player but Arteta is not making good use of him. For all the times he has come in as substitutes, he plays well and at least gives good assist. I don’t know the reason why they extended his contract but their most be reasons for that and I hope it is to a great advantage for the team. If they had sold him this transfer window, it would still make good sense because he’ll be more utilized in the team he’ll be joining far better than the way he is being utilized at Arsenal. The player is not a bad one to me and considering his age, he still has more opportunities to showcase what he got to offer as a potential striker.

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Quote from: Palakka on August 15, 2024, 10:52:20 AM

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But Chelsea's transfer business so far has been an absolute joke. It's the third season of them trying to buy a shit ton of players who are not even proven. If they spent money by buying PL-proven players, it would have been understandable, but their business model is very confusing. They are giving players 8-9-year contracts for financial rules, but how is that a proper business? Chelsea is in shambles.

And don't be surprised if in the future there will be many Chelsea players who are thrown away again, loaned and even choose to take offers from other clubs. With a squad of more than 40, who wants to share a seat in a full season? Enzo Maresca will not even be able to manage that many players to find the ideal format. Chelsea this season embarrassed themselves especially in a competition as big as the EPL where player consistency is the key to survival. I don't like this kind of recruitment, and any club that is still rational will think 10x to buy players whose quality is not at all above standard.

As the Chelsea legend (Gallas) said, Chelsea is currently a big mess because the recruitment they do is very reckless without any research or consideration before buying players and I agree with what the Gallas said, because with such a full squad Right now it doesn't actually make Chelsea better because after all the quality of players is more important than quantity nowadays, maybe many of us think what Chelsea is doing is a business but in my opinion by gathering so many young players and giving them big salaries of course It's just like a time bomb that will destroy Chelsea finances in the future.

Currently most of these players will of course not get the same opportunity to play in Chelsea main squad so this will automatically make them want to leave or be loaned out, so that the capital currently spent by Chelsea will not return 100% considering that not all of these players will experience an increase in performance and also the market price in the future, so it is clear that this will make Chelsea suffer huge losses in the future.
But apart from all that, of course Chelsea management knows better about what they are doing now, so it is better for us to see what will happen to Chelsea in the future now.

I think we don't need to ask other players and former legends like Gallas about Chelsea's current station. It's very clear to me that the station in Chelsea is not very good at all. They just spent money and they changed the whole team and players and also the coach to have a better team and get better results but the sad thing about Chelsea is they are not stable anymore and they are losing power over time by making these changes.

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Quote from: Nheer on August 15, 2024, 10:44:46 AM

Quote from: Antotena on August 14, 2024, 04:22:05 PM

Chelsea has the money to sign Osimhen, had it been he is from Europe they wouldn't bargain the way trey are doing him right now but they are using Lukaku as bait and that's very unfair for Osimhen. African best player of 2023 is been treated like someone that is been force to stay but no matter what, I don't want him ridicule his career in Napoli, Chelsea need a player like him, someone that is ready to make the team win and that's the only way they can do well this season and aim for top spot in the table.

That could be a valid point too as to why other clubs are still hesitant and trying to bargain to sign him but i think his age also contributes to that as well. No team will want to buy him for such amount amount knowing fully well that it will be impossible to sell him later and make profit from him and there is also the possibility of him failing to perform for them so if you check there are lots of things these teams are putting into consideration. If he was a bit younger then they wouldn’t have any excuse and also the fact that they know Napoli wants to dispose him is also another reason to not give in to Napoli’s asking price. I am sure they will come to conclusion soon since Napoli needs Lukaku and Osimhen must leave as well, if Napoli doesn’t sell him this season by next season his value would have gone down so this is the best time for them.

It seems Chelsea are now ready to sign Osimhen but they are still consideringthe funds involved because they would have loved to swap Lukaku with Osimhen but the price that Chelseawants to sell Lukaku is the problem to Napoli just like Napoli is also asking too much for Osimhen. This has left Osimhen move unpredictable because no one knows if Chelsea will accept the deal or not. Chelsea has funds to pay for Osimhen but they are trying rob be very careful not to regret their actions later because the players that they bought last season with huge amounts were not productive apart from Cole Palmer.

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Quote from: $crypto$ on August 15, 2024, 11:24:43 AM

The Premier League kicks off this weekend so our boredom will soon be over as it's a league we look forward to betting on, of course. Grin

I have prepared a combo bet for the first week:
Man United @1.60
Liverpool @1.33
Newcastle @1.35
Man City @1.81
Total odds @5.20

It won't be much $10 is enough to bet, because that's what I can afford to lose if it's $10. Tongue

good betting choice buddy, why not add arsenal to the bet, it will be profitable if you see the opponent to be faced is wolves, and the performance shown by the gunners was very good in the previous season and pre-season.

yes like you I put a small bet on manchester united and arsenal just for entertainment so that there is a sense of joy when watching it. and remind myself to bet according to my ability and the losses I can bear

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Quote from: knowngunman on August 15, 2024, 07:11:03 AM

Quote from: fuguebtc on August 15, 2024, 04:46:28 AM

Even though I think the sale of Gallagher is a bit pointless, I'd like to also state that not every coach finds every player to be good. From our perspective, Gallagher was good, but that was under Pochettino. Maresca's style of play probably does not suit Gallagher and vice versa.

But Chelsea's transfer business so far has been an absolute joke. It's the third season of them trying to buy a shit ton of players who are not even proven. If they spent money by buying PL-proven players, it would have been understandable, but their business model is very confusing. They are giving players 8-9-year contracts for financial rules, but how is that a proper business? Chelsea is in shambles.

What do you expect when you have people who are not interested in sport as the one leading the club? Absolutely, things like this will occur. Chelsea is not only in shambles, it's sad seeing them destroying the reputation that Abrahamovic had built over the past years and turn the club to a laughing stuck. There is nothing wrong if they choose to run a business with the club but it should be reasonable and fruitful, not baseless one.

Quote from: bitLeap on August 15, 2024, 06:46:39 AM

And don't be surprised if in the future there will be many Chelsea players who are thrown away again, loaned and even choose to take offers from other clubs. With a squad of more than 40, who wants to share a seat in a full season? Enzo Maresca will not even be able to manage that many players to find the ideal format. Chelsea this season embarrassed themselves especially in a competition as big as the EPL where player consistency is the key to survival. I don't like this kind of recruitment, and any club that is still rational will think 10x to buy players whose quality is not at all above standard.

Who cares? These players are much aware that they can not secure a place to play in the first eleven but yet, they choose to agree and signed. They're probably comfortable sitting on the bench or playing two to three minutes during extra time as far they'll receive their payment at appropriate time. What Chelsea is doing is not recruitment, it is an abuse of the process.

Not all players are expected to start in a match or be one of the starting eleven of the team they can come as sub and complete the match. please known or learn football logics or strategy and how they operate before you start jumping into conclusions on something that just got started when it have not ended, before you start jumping into the conclusions because you doing that will affect you. incase you don't what Chelsea are trying to do I will tell you, what they are trying to do is that they are buying player then sale in the process of making money to buy more. also you saying that Chelsea are not recruiting player you are correct, but you jumping to another conclusion saying that they are abusing players in the process you are wrong.

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Quote from: $crypto$ on August 15, 2024, 11:24:43 AM

The Premier League kicks off this weekend so our boredom will soon be over as it's a league we look forward to betting on, of course. Grin

I have prepared a combo bet for the first week:
Man United @1.60
Liverpool @1.33
Newcastle @1.35
Man City @1.81
Total odds @5.20

It won't be much $10 is enough to bet, because that's what I can afford to lose if it's $10. Tongue

I placed a bet early this season on Liverpool even though they were at 1.33 putting a $10 bet on it seemed interesting to follow, and I still have a few more clubs to bet on those top clubs. My interest in Man City seems interesting to place a bet on that game at least it has a challenge and atmosphere to watch the game.

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And don't be surprised if in the future there will be many Chelsea players who are thrown away again, loaned and even choose to take offers from other clubs. With a squad of more than 40, who wants to share a seat in a full season? Enzo Maresca will not even be able to manage that many players to find the ideal format. Chelsea this season embarrassed themselves especially in a competition as big as the EPL where player consistency is the key to survival. I don't like this kind of recruitment, and any club that is still rational will think 10x to buy players whose quality is not at all above standard.

You should know that Chelsea are keeping a bunch of this players for business and not all necessary to play in the league. You can’t have a squad as big as that and be able to make right decisions for players to play in the field. Even at that, you have to narrow down your interest on some set of players and focus more on them because only will that you can achieve result in a competition as hefty as the premier league. The premier league is a game for the most strategist and you can’t be one with this large number of players.

No, it's ruining the business they're doing, especially considering that the current crop of players proves that Enzo Maresca still can't do what he should have done for Chelaea in his first season.

At transfermrkt we should be able to realize that what they are doing is just to waste money because of the salary expenditure every season. they have 43 players at the moment including the ridiculous thing by continuing to add goalkeepers because Chelsea already has 7 kuper now and there are rumors that they will add more goalkeepers.
Of course from a business perspective this is not a good thing to do even though backup players are important but what Chelsea are doing right now is too over with the capacity of the players they have.

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The Premier League kicks off this weekend so our boredom will soon be over as it's a league we look forward to betting on, of course. Grin

I have prepared a combo bet for the first week:
Man United @1.60
Liverpool @1.33
Newcastle @1.35
Man City @1.81
Total odds @5.20

It won't be much $10 is enough to bet, because that's what I can afford to lose if it's $10. Tongue

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Quote from: Mr.right85 on August 15, 2024, 09:11:37 AM

I still want to understand how Arsenal football club thought it made business sense to extend Nketiah’s contract on a 100k/week Now many clubs that are interested in signing the striker cannot meet the wages demands of the players couple with the club asking transfer fee.

Honestly to think Arsenal renewed his contract and offered him 100k/week is madness. And when it’s called out, you’ll hear people say it’s to preserve his market value. How do you preserve the market value of an asset that is not wanted yet continues to depreciate?

I recently checked Ivan Toney’s salary. The dude earns barely £36k/week. How does anyone think giving Nketiah and Nelson £100k/week is reasonable.

It’s a questionable transaction by Edu, the director of football to be very honest. It’ll be very hard to find potential buyers that would agree to meet his wages and also the asking fee of his club.

I think such a move could be logical for a player who is due for sale. 100k euros is not a lot of money, if you want to sell the player you don't want him to lose value. As far as I know he is 25 years old now, if a team wants to buy him we can say that he is at the best age to sell him. His experience is increasing and he still has potential, it could be an attractive situation for most teams. Therefore, it is necessary to be a little careful and sensitive when determining the salary

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Pedro Neto is definitely young and exciting. But I honestly think he is over hyped. He is 24 years old, but as exciting as he is, he is not bringing in good enough results which he should be in my opinion. Now I understand that he might play on the winger position, but even after that, for a forward player to have only two goals in 20 matches is just not good enough. It?s like he is the budget version of Antony Cheesy

. I know that goals are not the only contribution that a player can do for his team, but I still think he should score more.

At the same time, the argument is completely trance on its head when we look at the number of assists that he has made. Suddenly it doesn?t look like he is a bad player or as bad as someone might think him to be. Emm, nine assists and two goals in 20 matches is not bad for a 24 year-old, isn't it?

All I am trying to say is it is good that Chelsea have brought him in. But they should not trust him too much at the start. Give him chances and see how he does.

Sometimes I think, the money Todd Boehly has spent for injury pron Pedro & Kiernan Frank, if it was spent on Victor Osimen or at least buying a good goalkeeper, both or one of them would have improved the squad.

I am actually not impressed by the stat I am shown here. Despite that Neto is just 24, but this stat is not as outstanding as the hype is. I am not surprised because the England is so good at hyping and especially Chelsea fans.
Todd seems to believe in business and quantity, which is the reason Chelsea might also not succeed this season. Chelsea need a manager who thinks about results more than business and this is the only way Chelsea will grow.

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That could be a valid point too as to why other clubs are still hesitant and trying to bargain to sign him but i think his age also contributes to that as well. No team will want to buy him for such amount amount knowing fully well that it will be impossible to sell him later and make profit from him and there is also the possibility of him failing to perform for them so if you check there are lots of things these teams are putting into consideration. If he was a bit younger then they wouldn’t have any excuse and also the fact that they know Napoli wants to dispose him is also another reason to not give in to Napoli’s asking price. I am sure they will come to conclusion soon since Napoli needs Lukaku and Osimhen must leave as well, if Napoli doesn’t sell him this season by next season his value would have gone down so this is the best time for them.

Basically, Chelsea needs a productive center forward, it's up to whoever they bring in.
Victor Osimhen is one of the best options for Chelsea's need for a centre-forward, but there are several things to consider including his sale price from Napoli.

Osimhen's price is no less than €100m which is a high selling point, but he is still very productive if he is always fit. Osimhen is still 25 years old now, so Chelsea probably have nothing to lose by paying Napoli €100m. However, Chelsea still needs to make some adjustments to the size of its large squad so that they don't have to spend more salaries in a season. Lukaku could be sold or bartered with Osimhen to Napoli, but the decision depends on the agreement between both parties.

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And don't be surprised if in the future there will be many Chelsea players who are thrown away again, loaned and even choose to take offers from other clubs. With a squad of more than 40, who wants to share a seat in a full season? Enzo Maresca will not even be able to manage that many players to find the ideal format. Chelsea this season embarrassed themselves especially in a competition as big as the EPL where player consistency is the key to survival. I don't like this kind of recruitment, and any club that is still rational will think 10x to buy players whose quality is not at all above standard.

It is certain, all of these players cannot be registered because it is against the rules. Selling or lending to other clubs is the best option to reduce the burden of the club to pay their salaries. If the player is left alone, it will be very detrimental to Chelsea because their selling value will decrease due to not getting playing time. Enzo Maresca has the choice in determining which players will be registered and included in the starting eleven, he also has assistants and several other staff who are ready to support him in choosing suitable players. Chelsea need to move quickly to cut the quota of players they currently have, the players need to be loaned to other clubs, then sold if their performance is able to attract the interest of other clubs.

I think the manager understands about the business his in for, we can see his early steps already and definitely he knows how to generate enough profits from all the players he bought. Only few of the 40+ players will make it to the starting eleven and a bit as substitute, so I don't assume them paying salaries to the rest when they stay as bench warmers all time. Chelsea also needs to arrange their squad properly as the season has already begin, their performance in the beginning of the season plays a crucial role on how far and if having any possibility of making it to the top of the league, definitely the fans would deserve more, from the number of players they bought and still bidding for.

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Quote from: bitLeap on August 15, 2024, 06:46:39 AM

Quote from: fuguebtc on August 15, 2024, 04:46:28 AM

But Chelsea's transfer business so far has been an absolute joke. It's the third season of them trying to buy a shit ton of players who are not even proven. If they spent money by buying PL-proven players, it would have been understandable, but their business model is very confusing. They are giving players 8-9-year contracts for financial rules, but how is that a proper business? Chelsea is in shambles.

And don't be surprised if in the future there will be many Chelsea players who are thrown away again, loaned and even choose to take offers from other clubs. With a squad of more than 40, who wants to share a seat in a full season? Enzo Maresca will not even be able to manage that many players to find the ideal format. Chelsea this season embarrassed themselves especially in a competition as big as the EPL where player consistency is the key to survival. I don't like this kind of recruitment, and any club that is still rational will think 10x to buy players whose quality is not at all above standard.

As the Chelsea legend (Gallas) said, Chelsea is currently a big mess because the recruitment they do is very reckless without any research or consideration before buying players and I agree with what the Gallas said, because with such a full squad Right now it doesn't actually make Chelsea better because after all the quality of players is more important than quantity nowadays, maybe many of us think what Chelsea is doing is a business but in my opinion by gathering so many young players and giving them big salaries of course It's just like a time bomb that will destroy Chelsea finances in the future.

Currently most of these players will of course not get the same opportunity to play in Chelsea main squad so this will automatically make them want to leave or be loaned out, so that the capital currently spent by Chelsea will not return 100% considering that not all of these players will experience an increase in performance and also the market price in the future, so it is clear that this will make Chelsea suffer huge losses in the future.
But apart from all that, of course Chelsea management knows better about what they are doing now, so it is better for us to see what will happen to Chelsea in the future now.

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Quote from: Antotena on August 14, 2024, 04:22:05 PM

Chelsea has the money to sign Osimhen, had it been he is from Europe they wouldn't bargain the way trey are doing him right now but they are using Lukaku as bait and that's very unfair for Osimhen. African best player of 2023 is been treated like someone that is been force to stay but no matter what, I don't want him ridicule his career in Napoli, Chelsea need a player like him, someone that is ready to make the team win and that's the only way they can do well this season and aim for top spot in the table.

That could be a valid point too as to why other clubs are still hesitant and trying to bargain to sign him but i think his age also contributes to that as well. No team will want to buy him for such amount amount knowing fully well that it will be impossible to sell him later and make profit from him and there is also the possibility of him failing to perform for them so if you check there are lots of things these teams are putting into consideration. If he was a bit younger then they wouldn’t have any excuse and also the fact that they know Napoli wants to dispose him is also another reason to not give in to Napoli’s asking price. I am sure they will come to conclusion soon since Napoli needs Lukaku and Osimhen must leave as well, if Napoli doesn’t sell him this season by next season his value would have gone down so this is the best time for them.

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