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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on December 02, 2019, 12:05:40 PM

Quote from: swogerino on December 02, 2019, 05:28:22 AM

I think I agree with the media yesterday saying Arsenal does not know how to win and Manchester United failing again and again is no news now.I think that Manchester United if keeps playing like this until the end of the Premier League can even be in danger of relegation,they are not able of winning even games played at Old Trafford against weak teams like Aston Villa.

Man Utd & Arsenal are in the wilderness at the moment, pure transition. Football goes in cycles though, the PL is very competitive with 5 or 6 wealthy teams. You can’t expect to be the best for 50-60 years. Man Utd fans had a very long period of success with Ferguson but now it’s their time to suffer. Their time will come again, they need to be patient & support their team just as much through the bad times.

Well said. I don't really support English teams but even in La Liga we had the cycles and I'm afraid my team Barcelona are in the middle of their decline, after we enjoyed a long time up there. Messi was truly our era, as much as Ferguson was United's. Now they must learn to adapt and improve in their transition so they don't end up to become another Nottingham Forest or similar.

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Quote from: akmal1984 on December 02, 2019, 01:54:32 PM

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Man Utd & Arsenal are in the wilderness at the moment, pure transition. Football goes in cycles though, the PL is very competitive with 5 or 6 wealthy teams. You can’t expect to be the best for 50-60 years. Man Utd fans had a very long period of success with Ferguson but now it’s their time to suffer. Their time will come again, they need to be patient & support their team just as much through the bad times.

Is this karma because the two teams, especially supporters of Manchester United, often mocked Liverpool as a hard hit team champion? I am perfectly reminded of each season the supporters of the red devil often say the words "next year" for Liverpool. Now as you said, both of them are really suffering, but Liverpool are victorious.

You can turn back the favor to them and tell them now “in the next decade” as this is probably what is going to happen to Manchester United.I think that Manchester United will not be able to win a Premier League for the next ten years because of its transition phase.Let’s not talk about Arsenal because they will take may be another two decades before may be to win a Premier League title.

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Quote from: Indymoney on December 02, 2019, 03:41:35 PM

This is happening for many decades and this war could be on for many decades because this revalry is beauty of this League and many peoples enjoy this but one thing is sure I agree with @LFC_Bitcoin its surely pure transition and this will move in favor of them but take his own time and Arsenal is never been so good they are average clube for long time.

for me their rivalry has ended, man united today are nothing. man united cannot be compared with liverpool's in current performance, because of their transition process it might still need some time or year a head until the man united condition really stable. I also really miss their rivalry in the past, especially when they are equally likely to win EPL and there were only few matches left. it is true the rivalry between teams that what makes beauty of EPL.

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Those player you mentioned are worth to sold what happens is not entirely their fault but also the failure of the coach Ole that cannot mix the existing players well to be a good team.

I'm starting to believe that those players are having some kind of psychological depression that affects their performance on the pitch, to be honest. I don't know what's going in the dressing room but seeing Delle Ali after Mourinho become Tottenham Manager strongly suggest that these players might need the same thing.

So Man United needs a new coach who can provide a new atmosphere and is also able to lift the mentality of the players and that is not in OSG.

Quote from: gabbie2010 on December 02, 2019, 12:36:20 PM

Selling those players mid season could be counter productive to the team in fact by doing so Man Utd might be fighting relegation towards the end of the season because bringing in new players now and blending them together to perform better than old players would definitely take some time remember a lot of them would be new to EPL, language barrier, EPL style of play etc I would advise the Man utd management to manage those tired and unproductive players till the end of the season before buying new players.

Need new strategies for Man United to quit from this situation.

For this week all team will play 2 times in mid-week also weekend, and one of the matches that I have been waiting for is between Man United vs Tottenham, what will be an interesting one is to see the reaction of MU fans to see Mou returning to Old Trafford but as the coach of the club who will be their opponent.

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Quote from: Avirunes on December 01, 2019, 10:57:56 PM

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And Leicester won against Everton 2:1, but it was not easy at all.
Goal scored in extra time, and they where even losing in first half!
Vardy scored one more goal.
Best striker so far with 13 goals in EPL

Go Leicester! I am starting to be a fan Grin

Kelechi Iheanacho was the one who played a crucial part for Leicester yesterday. Their attacked grabbed a bit more pace after Iheanacho came in and boy-o-boy what a game he played. The assist he made it to Vardy was perfect to slot past Pickford and the goal faking the defender and slotting it on the left side at the dying minutes of the game was really something.

Now Leicester grabs the 2nd spot Cheesy

Brenda Rogers is a better coach than he was at Liverpool but am always worried of quick positive response of team to any coach, most time the effect is always short term, considering Jurgen Klopp and Guardiolla reign at their present clubs, which shows how efficient their effort pays in long run. Leceister looks more like a competitors than Man city with their win with some top teams, they usually an underrated team even when they sold their best players and stayed in top 10

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Quote from: akmal1984 on December 02, 2019, 01:54:32 PM

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Man Utd & Arsenal are in the wilderness at the moment, pure transition. Football goes in cycles though, the PL is very competitive with 5 or 6 wealthy teams. You can’t expect to be the best for 50-60 years. Man Utd fans had a very long period of success with Ferguson but now it’s their time to suffer. Their time will come again, they need to be patient & support their team just as much through the bad times.

Is this karma because the two teams, especially supporters of Manchester United, often mocked Liverpool as a hard hit team champion? I am perfectly reminded of each season the supporters of the red devil often say the words "next year" for Liverpool. Now as you said, both of them are really suffering, but Liverpool are victorious.

This is happening for many decades and this war could be on for many decades because this revalry is beauty of this League and many peoples enjoy this but one thing is sure I agree with @LFC_Bitcoin its surely pure transition and this will move in favor of them but take his own time and Arsenal is never been so good they are average clube for long time.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on December 02, 2019, 12:05:40 PM

Man Utd & Arsenal are in the wilderness at the moment, pure transition. Football goes in cycles though, the PL is very competitive with 5 or 6 wealthy teams. You can’t expect to be the best for 50-60 years. Man Utd fans had a very long period of success with Ferguson but now it’s their time to suffer. Their time will come again, they need to be patient & support their team just as much through the bad times.

Is this karma because the two teams, especially supporters of Manchester United, often mocked Liverpool as a hard hit team champion? I am perfectly reminded of each season the supporters of the red devil often say the words "next year" for Liverpool. Now as you said, both of them are really suffering, but Liverpool are victorious.

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Quote from: Strongkored on December 01, 2019, 11:24:08 PM

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Arsenal lost their plot due to their head coach polices, first he names a player hated by their fans as their captain and then he doesn’t include Ozil their best player in match day squads and hence it’s not surprising he got the sack and Arsenal’s season is in a mess.

As far as Manchester United is concerned Ole’s foolish decisions of not replacing Lukaku and Herrera is hurting the club now, and their over reliance on McTominny was exposed once again. Honestly I don’t understand what are the club officials waiting for, they should sack Ole right away and give Poch or Allegri the job. Also whoever becomes the new coach of Manchester United needs to sell players like Jones, Lingard, Mata, Matic, Lindelof and buy Bruno, Vidal, Dybala, Koulibaly.

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/cybrown/2019/10/28/why-arsenal-fans-have-turned-on-unai-emery/#104985d6f0e9

https://www.caughtoffside.com/2019/12/01/sack-ole-for-starting-him-these-man-united-fans-react-to-lineup-vs-aston-villa/

Those player you mentioned are worth to sold what happens is not entirely their fault but also the failure of the coach Ole that cannot mix the existing players well to be a good team.
I'm happy to see LFC that is consitent with it's appearance.

Selling those players mid season could be counter productive to the team in fact by doing so Man Utd might be fighting relegation towards the end of the season because bringing in new players now and blending them together to perform better than old players would definitely take some time remember a lot of them would be new to EPL, language barrier, EPL style of play etc I would advise the Man utd management to manage those tired and unproductive players till the end of the season before buying new players.

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Quote from: swogerino on December 02, 2019, 05:28:22 AM

I think I agree with the media yesterday saying Arsenal does not know how to win and Manchester United failing again and again is no news now.I think that Manchester United if keeps playing like this until the end of the Premier League can even be in danger of relegation,they are not able of winning even games played at Old Trafford against weak teams like Aston Villa.

Man Utd & Arsenal are in the wilderness at the moment, pure transition. Football goes in cycles though, the PL is very competitive with 5 or 6 wealthy teams. You can’t expect to be the best for 50-60 years. Man Utd fans had a very long period of success with Ferguson but now it’s their time to suffer. Their time will come again, they need to be patient & support their team just as much through the bad times.

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Manchester United should DEFINITELY sack Ole, dude has been horrible all year, why do people think Manchester can't sack managers constantly until they find a new one just because they had a great manager once and they were together for something like 20 years or something? I mean that was done and it is gone, now they need to find a new manager, they can't just hope that Ole is the new Ferguson and keep him for 20 years with that hope, that is not gonna happen and we all know it, so the sooner they sack him the better for the team.

Hopefully they don't get Mourinho lol Cheesy

. Arsenal could wait a bit longer, they were never the "lets get us the championship this year" type of team in any season.. well ever? So, they could still get better with time but wouldn't hurt sacking Ljungberg neither.

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Quote from: Avirunes on December 01, 2019, 11:11:36 AM

Leno today really saved Arsenal. Norwich were attacking so we'll out today. Pukki was making some very good movements but then again I find it that way coz of sloppy defending of Arsenal maybe. There were 2-3 shots which would have settled the deal for Norwich but Leno made some outstanding saves in second half.

We are now up for next games: Leicester vs Everton and Man Utd vs Aston Villa. I have put my singles on both as Leicester to win and Aston Villa or draw. Hope it goes my way.. already made some with my free bet now time to get some off from those money Cheesy

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Quote from: akmal1984 on December 01, 2019, 11:09:57 AM

And it happens again. Arsenal failed to win in the English league. With their temporary manager the Arsenal game hasn't changed much. But Ozil began to enter the starting line-up and play from the early minutes.I hope that the new manager will be able to restore Arsenal's performance.Pretty good results for Ljungberg because he can get 1 point on his debut as a manager

They have lot of problems right now. Emery getting sacked is not an absolute solution. They still have to work out their defense. They have worst defense amongst the big-6 in this season so far.

I see David Luiz doesn't seem to want to play for Arsenal anymore. Maybe if you see the last match against Norwich you will agree with me. He did not want to run at all. I wonder why Ljungberg did not replace him with another player.Does Arsene Wenger have to return to coach Arsenal? I miss their old attractive game

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Quote from: swogerino on December 02, 2019, 05:28:22 AM

I think I agree with the media yesterday saying Arsenal does not know how to win and Manchester United failing again and again is no news now.I think that Manchester United if keeps playing like this until the end of the Premier League can even be in danger of relegation,they are not able of winning even games played at Old Trafford against weak teams like Aston Villa.

Arsenal don't know how to win as they haven't won for so long.
After Emery left the fans thought that they ar going to start a winning streak. But it seems that something is wrong with the players and not with the manager.

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I think I agree with the media yesterday saying Arsenal does not know how to win and Manchester United failing again and again is no news now.I think that Manchester United if keeps playing like this until the end of the Premier League can even be in danger of relegation,they are not able of winning even games played at Old Trafford against weak teams like Aston Villa.

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Quote from: nelson4lov on December 01, 2019, 04:54:42 PM

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Manchester United and Arsenal are the teams i would totally avoid betting to win a match. In fact a person who bets a draw or a win for their opponents stands a higher chance of winning. I am not surprised they all lost points today.

My opinion about Manchester United has remained the same since the start of the season. I remembered when they played Newcastle, a friend of mine who is a Man Utd fan told me to exclude them from my betslip. I believe in them but my ticket didn't make it. Since then, I avoided them like a plague. Arsenal too isn't really consistent this season. Even against smaller teams, You're not able to convert.

I guess I was telling people the exact same thing about my beloved Spurs. This season, if you wanted smart bets, you go against them. All 3 teams are so bad especially away from home, although I have to say now with Mourinho everyone is playing with extra spirit.

So now we get our second away game in EPL and Mou visits his old friends/enemies.

High scoring match hopefully!

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on December 01, 2019, 02:01:44 PM

What a way to finish Matchweek 14:

- Watford sacked Sanchez Flores.
- Arsenal and Man Utd drew their respective games against two recently promoted teams.
- Ihenacho scored a late goal to win against Everton and keep The Foxes in the title race.
- And I didn't win a single bet today :/

Merseyside derby next Wednesday, it's very likely that Everton will sack Marco Silva after that game so, that would be three managers sacked in just a week...And Ole's still at the wheel LOL

Quote from: Avirunes on December 01, 2019, 11:11:36 AM

We are now up for next games: Leicester vs Everton and Man Utd vs Aston Villa. I have put my singles on both as Leicester to win and Aston Villa or draw. Hope it goes my way.. already made some with my free bet now time to get some off from those money Cheesy

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Enjoy those profits Wink

What a late winner that was , I knew the late goal will coming for Leicester as I'm waiting the odds to increased at the normal time and it's frustrating the odds stay at around 3 or so , finally i got only 4.1 at 90' what a terrible odds i have ever seen these days.

Oh and speaking about sacked manager ... 'Ole at the wheel, tell me how bad it feels' Grin

don't forget ole could be the next one to be sacked.

The line up for the next united manager are :

Pochettino
Allegri
Brendan rodgers
Laurent blanc

Allegri rejects arsenal job as he could make a deal with United, I like this scenario.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on December 01, 2019, 10:33:46 PM

Also whoever becomes the new coach of Manchester United needs to sell players like Jones, Lingard, Mata, Matic, Lindelof and buy Bruno, Vidal, Dybala, Koulibaly.

That sounds like a 200 million transfer. Who knows, they might need to spend more because Bruno iirc just renew his contract.

Quote from: Strongkored on December 01, 2019, 11:24:08 PM

Those player you mentioned are worth to sold what happens is not entirely their fault but also the failure of the coach Ole that cannot mix the existing players well to be a good team.

I'm starting to believe that those players are having some kind of psychological depression that affects their performance on the pitch, to be honest. I don't know what's going in the dressing room but seeing Delle Ali after Mourinho become Tottenham Manager strongly suggest that these players might need the same thing.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on December 01, 2019, 10:33:46 PM

Arsenal lost their plot due to their head coach polices, first he names a player hated by their fans as their captain and then he doesn’t include Ozil their best player in match day squads and hence it’s not surprising he got the sack and Arsenal’s season is in a mess.

As far as Manchester United is concerned Ole’s foolish decisions of not replacing Lukaku and Herrera is hurting the club now, and their over reliance on McTominny was exposed once again. Honestly I don’t understand what are the club officials waiting for, they should sack Ole right away and give Poch or Allegri the job. Also whoever becomes the new coach of Manchester United needs to sell players like Jones, Lingard, Mata, Matic, Lindelof and buy Bruno, Vidal, Dybala, Koulibaly.

Sources:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/cybrown/2019/10/28/why-arsenal-fans-have-turned-on-unai-emery/#104985d6f0e9

https://www.caughtoffside.com/2019/12/01/sack-ole-for-starting-him-these-man-united-fans-react-to-lineup-vs-aston-villa/

Those player you mentioned are worth to sold what happens is not entirely their fault but also the failure of the coach Ole that cannot mix the existing players well to be a good team.
I'm happy to see LFC that is consitent with it's appearance.

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Quote from: notblox1 on December 01, 2019, 06:33:23 PM

And Leicester won against Everton 2:1, but it was not easy at all.
Goal scored in extra time, and they where even losing in first half!
Vardy scored one more goal.
Best striker so far with 13 goals in EPL

Go Leicester! I am starting to be a fan Grin

Kelechi Iheanacho was the one who played a crucial part for Leicester yesterday. Their attacked grabbed a bit more pace after Iheanacho came in and boy-o-boy what a game he played. The assist he made it to Vardy was perfect to slot past Pickford and the goal faking the defender and slotting it on the left side at the dying minutes of the game was really something.

Now Leicester grabs the 2nd spot Cheesy

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Manchester United and Arsenal are the teams i would totally avoid betting to win a match. In fact a person who bets a draw or a win for their opponents stands a higher chance of winning. I am not surprised they all lost points today.

My opinion about Manchester United has remained the same since the start of the season. I remembered when they played Newcastle, a friend of mine who is a Man Utd fan told me to exclude them from my betslip. I believe in them but my ticket didn't make it. Since then, I avoided them like a plague. Arsenal too isn't really consistent this season. Even against smaller teams, You're not able to convert.

Damn true... Arsenal and Man United are a nightmare and better to be avoided!
This weekend isn't mine at all.. A part Leicester, other games = catastrophic failure..!

Arsenal lost their plot due to their head coach polices, first he names a player hated by their fans as their captain and then he doesn’t include Ozil their best player in match day squads and hence it’s not surprising he got the sack and Arsenal’s season is in a mess.

As far as Manchester United is concerned Ole’s foolish decisions of not replacing Lukaku and Herrera is hurting the club now, and their over reliance on McTominny was exposed once again. Honestly I don’t understand what are the club officials waiting for, they should sack Ole right away and give Poch or Allegri the job. Also whoever becomes the new coach of Manchester United needs to sell players like Jones, Lingard, Mata, Matic, Lindelof and buy Bruno, Vidal, Dybala, Koulibaly.

Sources:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/cybrown/2019/10/28/why-arsenal-fans-have-turned-on-unai-emery/#104985d6f0e9

https://www.caughtoffside.com/2019/12/01/sack-ole-for-starting-him-these-man-united-fans-react-to-lineup-vs-aston-villa/

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And Leicester won against Everton 2:1, but it was not easy at all.
Goal scored in extra time, and they where even losing in first half!
Vardy scored one more goal.
Best striker so far with 13 goals in EPL

Go Leicester! I am starting to be a fan Grin

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