Topic: Primedice is cheating (Read 8100 times)

Ah, a flashback to when I had a little more patience...

you always lose in gambling sites. it is the only way they can stay alive

While doog's take down in the post above is nicely done, I really liked his earlier step by step tutorial on how to verify your rolls on PD.   The closing paragraph should be posted to every thread where some loser complains of cheating on a provably fair dice site!

Thanks dooglus and good luck to everyone!

Lag is random. Sometimes it happens before you lose, other times before you win. You're giving more significance to lag before you lose because it confirms your suspicions. This is called confirmation bias.

You can verify your rolls after they happen. All your rolls are predetermined. PrimeDice can't affect the numbers you roll.


They have a 1% edge in their favour. They pay out only 1.98x instead of 2x for a 50% bet. That's why they aren't bust.


Some people are smart enough to understand that it doesn't work like that. Your pair of seeds determines all your future rolls. There's no choosing once the seeds are set.


Either the rolls are legit or they aren't. Your (or something) at the end just shows that you have no idea what you are talking about.


20 losses in a row at 49.5% should happen about once every 860k rolls. Lottery jackpot wins happen much less often than that. Also you play the lottery much less often. You can make a million PrimeDice rolls in a week, but you can't play the lottery a million times in a lifetime.


It has been looked into. You're not contributing anything new.

I wouldn't say they are cheating using something as obvious as that.. but before the total bullshit streak that always seems to happen no matter what, notice the bets lag just beforehand . Primedice obviously have somewhat control over bets or they would be bust long ago.. Everyone can see the verified rolls, but surely some people are smart enough to realize they have a system in place that chooses them rolls for you lol? The rolls are legit and random yes, but the rolls that end up that you win are cancelled out and made sure they out of whatever range your betting within. (Or something similar anyway)

The 20 loses in the row bullcrap happens all the time if you leave it run for too long, if i had the luck too pull odds like that so often i'd be winning the lottery monthly - yeah ok..

EDIT: Old thread but why isn't this looked into?

This guy is terrorizing the biggest and most reputable bitcoin betting site there is.. How many scam accusations did they withstand?

The thing is, you don't have to live with doubt as to whether they're cheating or not. You can find out. And I would like you to, so we can all see if they were cheating you. You're entitled to your opinion of course, but isn't it better to know what's going on rather than to have a possibly incorrect opinion about it?

All you need to do:

1) go to your primedice account
2) click on the scales (last but one icon, just above the faucet, "provably fair")
3) copy/paste the text under "Current Seed Pair"

(here's mine):


I know for a fact that it is probably fair. That doesn't mean that the site DOESN'T cheat. It means only that if they DO cheat you, and you can be BOTHERED, then you can PROVE it. And that's what I'm asking you to do here. Be the guy who finally catches them cheating, prove it, and their game is up. Or, on the other hand, prove to yourself that you were just unlucky. Either way you'll know for sure.

Dooglus, I don't have a screentshot, but you can believe me. 20 consecutive losses :/ If I can get my primedice history I could prove it. In fact, it is funny you commented... I heard it once rumored that you said there are more high wins than low, so I have on bet high based on this information... :p I set on autobet, went to make some coffee and have a smoke and when I came back my heart almost stopped when I saw I had already busted I had something like .01 left and went all in, won on my 21st roll then soon lost it all..

20 losses in a row.. yeah, I would accept if it happened after a while, but after I make a coffee and have a cigi?!! The chances are like 1/850000 man wtf!?

I don't mind who does and who does not believe me, a friend of mine also had a 20 loss streak on 2x payout. There is something fishy about PD... as soon as you bet anything you just loose. All the little snappers and shrimp who live on the faucet will suck stunnas cock and go everywhere saying what a good website it is, but they aint never lost any real money and they just happy to get 500sat a night. I seen these guys get all sad when they loose like .0005 LOL thats like not even 5 cents

All I can say is this: I DONT KNOW IF PRIMEDICE IS CHEATING, BUT IF I HAD TO WAGER ON IT, I WOULD SAY THERE IS SOME KIND OF MANIPULATION GOING ON. THE 'PROVABLY FAIR' THING IS A FALLACY DESIGNED TO MAKE YOU FEEL SECURE, BUT ASK YOURSELF, CAN YOU REALLY PROVE IT'S PROVABLY FAIR OR ARE YOU JUST TAKING THE WORD OF MANY PEOPLE WHO SEEM TO AGREE BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO INSECURE TO ADMIT THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITIES OF PROGRAMMING AND HACKING AND WHAT IS AND WHAT IS NOT POSSIBLE.

Of course, many little snappers will come here and say jajaja go look you can 'verify your bets' and I reply: STFU -you probably live in your moms basement, get a life and realise people cheat and the world is unfair, and in my opinion bitcoin in general is the perfect place for this kind of cheating and foul play to occur. In future, I have decided to go to a normal casino or play poker, PD is pile of kak and I think they are cheating.

Now folks, that is just my opinion and last time I checked its a free world so I don't care what you say. I have seen many strange stories about PD lately and now after this 20 loss streak I have become dubious too. I not that I can prove they are cheating, but I just have become.... dubious....

This sounds so wrong...

The site's provable fairness is how I discovered they were settling bets wrongly. Without it we would never have known.

The 100 BTC theft was nothing to do with betting. It was stolen directly from the account's balance and so could happen anywhere.

Please post a screenshot.

First was:


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/100-btc-was-stolen-from-my-primedice-account-please-see-thread-791367


Now this "outdated script " hmm i dont know what to say... More and more shit flows from the depths of the ocean. But dont worry it's "provable fair"

I put .2 on primedice the other day, though I would play a little martingale on 17sat base bet (covers for 20 losses). I lost within 15 mins, or under 500 rolls. This site is pure BS and I strongly suggest you stay away, rather use justdice or something -or better yet -keep ur bitcoin so these a**holes cant steal it

Lol.. these guys are not cheating. Primedice has been around for so long and still you think they are cheating? Come on...

Mathematically provable that PD does not cheat -hahahah malarky like this makes me even more suspect.

I have seen PD autobet feature make mistakes that could have potentially been very costly.

'Forgot to update verification' -now this is just PURE kak and I would not take this website seriously... They are clearly hiding something behind their 'provably fair system'

That is my opinion anyway

PD has been there since the start..

Its always cheating when someone doesnt win

It was never using a different algorithm, the sample verify script on the verify page was just incorrect for a few days and corrected. As many intelligent forum users who understand provably fair have noted:




No longer interested in replying to this, It is mathematically provable that PD does not cheat.  I'm pretty sure if I bought coinfist a pair of dice and asked him to generate his own rolls he'd still claim we were somehow cheating him.

well 4 in a row .. dammn

The roll generation is pretty much the same as on Just-Dice. The description on the site was wrong, and has been fixed since shortly after you pointed out that it was wrong.

Nothing to see here.