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Primedice and Stake uses the Curacao license scam 1668/JAZ license! If you play there, then it is basically your fault if you have issues!

Enjoy the reported issues in the comment section of this article and here Curacao licensing scam operators list!

Apologies for being off-topic - not trying to derail - but I think it's really sad that game-protect is able to get away with posting these obviously deceptive hyperlinks that lead to his personal website (which is a total scam imo, also -as usual I've edited the links to a more trustworthy site, and if you decide to quote him, you should too!)

I will continue to report any post he makes in any thread besides his own that have deceptive hyperlinks.  I encourage everyone else to do the same.

This post does not reflect my opinion of PD one way or the other.  (I do think it's an interesting situation though, and I'll prob share my thoughts soon)

Are you able to explain the deceptive part? Everyone can see it is a link to Game Protect articles.

Who cares what Game Protect is in your opinion?

If Game Protect is a scam, why do you not open a scam accusation?

I have noticed that you waste your time discussing with the publicly proven betcoin scam. How much compensation have victims received based on your discussion strategy?
newbie
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Dang faucet farmers. I thought 600 sats was low, now 300. Sad
hero member
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These are two separate issues you're complaining about which are causing a lot of general confusion.


1. Why you were muted.

The only way support could disable a player's faucet last year was by muting their account. Your account was claiming a tremendous amount from the free faucet and had been doing so for the past year, it was not depositing and playing only claiming the free faucet. Your faucet was significantly boosted because you had an older account. We experienced massive issues with people buying old accounts that had high faucets and farming it for $1000s in free faucet money without ever playing. If you had an account that was claiming the faucet 12+ hours a day and never depositing then that is probably why it was muted. It's important to note that this was a chat mute not a ban, you could still withdraw and do everything but claim faucet and use chat.

We had to aggressively target accounts that were claiming huge amounts because the cost of faucet was becoming staggering due to abuse. And all the claims were coming from accounts that existed for one reason, to claim faucet only which is why support was asking you to deposit and play normally to unlock your faucet again. I'm going to be honest, I don't think a website muting you and not letting you claim free money is a scam and we are well within our rights to mute and even ban players who abuse something we put in place to give players a small amount of money to test the website.

After looking at your faucet claim history I probably would have personally disabled your faucet permanently instead of handling it this way. However, I can see how you'd feel deceived because you made a deposit and still didn't have your faucet unlocked, I take blame for this for rapidly changing our stance on faucet abusers over those days last year and not communicating well with support. I don't think this ended up costing you coins but I can refund the EV we would have made on those bets you made in response to support as a gesture of good will.

This situation should not happen anymore as faucet is now so low it isn't worthwhile to claim all day/automate. Instead of trying to police the faucet we decided to just nerf it to a point where it would not be abused.


2. An auto-bet malfunction which you were not refunded for

I remember looking into this in the past and I believe we concluded it wasn't an issue on our side. However the details are pretty hazy so I'll have to re-explore this again. Your accusation is basically that you weren't able to stop autobet from going and then you lost too many times in a row and busted?

Auto-bet bug

You can see that before that I've lost more than 2 btc on primedice in 2015-2017 so I wouldn't lie about that 0.3 unless it was my fault ( I am sure support Katarina would be very happy to hear this Smiley ).

It was after the release of PD4 I don't remember exact date either my auto betting info but I was sure it was not my fault. After my balance went under 0.01 it started giving me a red message for some time then it stopped. I checked my ping which was around ( 200ms ) for primedice server. I contacted micro he said I will forward it to dev. Everyone became ignorant of the issue and i never heard of it back from anyone.
Also, There were some other people complaining about the same bug and some other as primedice had so many bugs after that release.



Faucet

And about the faucet, It had the limit of 50 claims a day so how can someone abuse it when you are giving the number claims.  

You promoted a Leveling Staggering faucet, which will grow as long with your wagering amounts, therefore i lost many btc in past which are now much money which you keep in your hands.
Now you changed your mind, and cut faucet from everyone to a specific fixed amount.

legendary
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Primedice.com, Stake.com
These are two separate issues you're complaining about which are causing a lot of general confusion.


1. Why you were muted.

The only way support could disable a player's faucet last year was by muting their account. Your account was claiming a tremendous amount from the free faucet and had been doing so for the past year, it was not depositing and playing only claiming the free faucet. Your faucet was significantly boosted because you had an older account. We experienced massive issues with people buying old accounts that had high faucets and farming it for $1000s in free faucet money without ever playing. If you had an account that was claiming the faucet 12+ hours a day and never depositing then that is probably why it was muted. It's important to note that this was a chat mute not a ban, you could still withdraw and do everything but claim faucet and use chat.

We had to aggressively target accounts that were claiming huge amounts because the cost of faucet was becoming staggering due to abuse. And all the claims were coming from accounts that existed for one reason, to claim faucet only which is why support was asking you to deposit and play normally to unlock your faucet again. I'm going to be honest, I don't think a website muting you and not letting you claim free money is a scam and we are well within our rights to mute and even ban players who abuse something we put in place to give players a small amount of money to test the website.

After looking at your faucet claim history I probably would have personally disabled your faucet permanently instead of handling it this way. However, I can see how you'd feel deceived because you made a deposit and still didn't have your faucet unlocked, I take blame for this for rapidly changing our stance on faucet abusers over those days last year and not communicating well with support. I don't think this ended up costing you coins but I can refund the EV we would have made on those bets you made in response to support as a gesture of good will.

This situation should not happen anymore as faucet is now so low it isn't worthwhile to claim all day/automate. Instead of trying to police the faucet we decided to just nerf it to a point where it would not be abused.


2. An auto-bet malfunction which you were not refunded for

I remember looking into this in the past and I believe we concluded it wasn't an issue on our side. However the details are pretty hazy so I'll have to re-explore this again. Your accusation is basically that you weren't able to stop autobet from going and then you lost too many times in a row and busted?
legendary
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Primedice and Stake uses the Curacao license scam 1668/JAZ license! If you play there, then it is basically your fault if you have issues!

Enjoy the reported issues in the comment section of this article and here Curacao licensing scam operators list!

Apologies for being off-topic - not trying to derail - but I think it's really sad that game-protect is able to get away with posting these obviously deceptive hyperlinks that lead to his personal website (which is a total scam imo, also -as usual I've edited the links to a more trustworthy site, and if you decide to quote him, you should too!)

I will continue to report any post he makes in any thread besides his own that have deceptive hyperlinks.  I encourage everyone else to do the same.

This post does not reflect my opinion of PD one way or the other.  (I do think it's an interesting situation though, and I'll prob share my thoughts soon)

hero member
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You sound a little hysterical and unreasonable. It's like you've made a scene and won't back down until you're given more than you're owed. Also, why are you trying to get compensated for some old auto-bet bug at the same time now? Seems they were trying to settle your current issue - why not settle them one at a time?

Check thread again, i lost around 0.3 due to bug i was complaining about it for a long time but they ignored me, and i don't want to talk about it by repeating my words again and again.
Not saying you are wrong by asking this but please see Accusation 2 on the #1 post of this thread. You will learn more about it.
You should have pushed to have the issue with the autobet bug resolved a long time ago though as it seems to be from 2016. This is why I said to resolve the permamute issue separately.

I didn't want to open an accusation in past for like 6 months because I was promised I will be compensated for it. Then they stopped replying at all.
And after that new support kicked in. When those things failed I was forced to open it.
newbie
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You sound a little hysterical and unreasonable. It's like you've made a scene and won't back down until you're given more than you're owed. Also, why are you trying to get compensated for some old auto-bet bug at the same time now? Seems they were trying to settle your current issue - why not settle them one at a time?

Check thread again, i lost around 0.3 due to bug i was complaining about it for a long time but they ignored me, and i don't want to talk about it by repeating my words again and again.
Not saying you are wrong by asking this but please see Accusation 2 on the #1 post of this thread. You will learn more about it.
You should have pushed to have the issue with the autobet bug resolved a long time ago though as it seems to be from 2016. This is why I said to resolve the permamute issue separately.
hero member
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You sound a little hysterical and unreasonable. It's like you've made a scene and won't back down until you're given more than you're owed. Also, why are you trying to get compensated for some old auto-bet bug at the same time now? Seems they were trying to settle your current issue - why not settle them one at a time?

Check thread again, i lost around 0.3 due to bug i was complaining about it for a long time but they ignored me, and i don't want to talk about it by repeating my words again and again.
Not saying you are wrong by asking this but please see Accusation 2 on the #1 post of this thread. You will learn more about it.
hero member
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Primedice and Stake uses the Curacao license scam 1668/JAZ license! If you play there, then it is basically your fault if you have issues!

Enjoy the reported issues in the comment section of this article and here Curacao licensing scam operators list!

If I remember correctly then you're one of the guys who was speaking in their favor in past.
newbie
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You sound a little hysterical and unreasonable. It's like you've made a scene and won't back down until you're given more than you're owed. Also, why are you trying to get compensated for some old auto-bet bug at the same time now? Seems they were trying to settle your current issue - why not settle them one at a time?
hero member
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I don't think this is resolved yet. They just avoid the situation which is out of their control.
They can say sorry that this happened in public and compensate for it. But instead, they mislead & ignore.

That is the tactic of most large businesses that are dealing with a large number of common folks. They'll avoid and avoid till the last moment to try and get away with whatever they have screwed up. Out of sight, out of mind. I think that's exactly what's going to happen to this situation as well. Most probably this issue will be ignored to the point where no one would care anymore. (except OP maybe).

Yes, i think same. and I find it quite amusing that not many people are showing interest in the topic.
Primedice has turned into: New support team makes a mistake -> Stunna/Micro solves that issue -> new support team continues to make mistakes. Something should be done..

You can try but I've given up hope on this and no DT members doing anything on the matter except Lauda.
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I don't think this is resolved yet. They just avoid the situation which is out of their control.
They can say sorry that this happened in public and compensate for it. But instead, they mislead & ignore.

That is the tactic of most large businesses that are dealing with a large number of common folks. They'll avoid and avoid till the last moment to try and get away with whatever they have screwed up. Out of sight, out of mind. I think that's exactly what's going to happen to this situation as well. Most probably this issue will be ignored to the point where no one would care anymore. (except OP maybe).

Yes, i think same. and I find it quite amusing that not many people are showing interest in the topic.
Primedice has turned into: New support team makes a mistake -> Stunna/Micro solves that issue -> new support team continues to make mistakes. Something should be done..
hero member
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I don't think this is resolved yet. They just avoid the situation which is out of their control.
They can say sorry that this happened in public and compensate for it. But instead, they mislead & ignore.

That is the tactic of most large businesses that are dealing with a large number of common folks. They'll avoid and avoid till the last moment to try and get away with whatever they have screwed up. Out of sight, out of mind. I think that's exactly what's going to happen to this situation as well. Most probably this issue will be ignored to the point where no one would care anymore. (except OP maybe).

Yes, i think same. and I find it quite amusing that not many people are showing interest in the topic.
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I don't think this is resolved yet. They just avoid the situation which is out of their control.
They can say sorry that this happened in public and compensate for it. But instead, they mislead & ignore.

That is the tactic of most large businesses that are dealing with a large number of common folks. They'll avoid and avoid till the last moment to try and get away with whatever they have screwed up. Out of sight, out of mind. I think that's exactly what's going to happen to this situation as well. Most probably this issue will be ignored to the point where no one would care anymore. (except OP maybe).
hero member
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It is embarrassing how this thread hasn't been resolved yet after the founder and the advisor site is known this problem.
Personally, its a shame for the site that self-claimed to be the most popular and trusted gambling site. It's definitely the team didn't care about their users. An auto-bet bug is a critical bug that cost a lot and it affected their users. and looks like the site doesn't care too much about it. Even though it has already been resolved, they definitely should reward the affected users and refund any money that is lost because of the bug.

I don't think this is resolved yet. They just avoid the situation which is out of their control.
They can say sorry that this happened in public and compensate for it. But instead, they mislead & ignore.
newbie
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Add me on Telegram and we will sort this out. I would like to call you out on a lot of stuff publicly but I would rather not.

This is upsetting you're putting this under scam accusations as it's certainly not.

@EdMiroslav on TG

Sorry but I am not satisfied with your service and your answer after the chat we had on TG.
If you're wrong you should accept it rather than misguiding or buying others.

I don't want your 0.01 as you said in TG for taking down this thread and apologizing to everyone that's so unprofessional of PD.

You are giving 1.5 BTC bonus but you cannot pay a user back what he lost on your website in an unethical way.
I am just pissed how you are treating your clients after the release of pd4 and increase in btc price.
It would be great if I get compensated for my unethical losses including that 0.29BTC due to bug just after pd4 release. I am getting tired to explain this, again and again, to support and you.

Translations: "Only 0.01? hell naw. I want 1.5 BTC bonus too for making me upset!"
legendary
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It is embarrassing how this thread hasn't been resolved yet after the founder and the advisor site is known this problem.
Personally, its a shame for the site that self-claimed to be the most popular and trusted gambling site. It's definitely the team didn't care about their users. An auto-bet bug is a critical bug that cost a lot and it affected their users. and looks like the site doesn't care too much about it. Even though it has already been resolved, they definitely should reward the affected users and refund any money that is lost because of the bug.
hero member
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I can't say I'm surprised that this has not been resolved given that "Edward Miroslav" has been found guilty of several immoral practices (account buying, trust buying) etc.

This wasn't a targeted mute, I'll unmute your account shortly, thousands of accounts are muted a day to prevent faucet abuse automatically and this just seems to be a false positive. Unfortunately we don't have an option to disable faucet on a per-account basis other than using mute, we'll be fixing that as well.
What does surprise me is that Stunna, even though he/she unmuted you, never fully tried to resolve this case. Why is that?

Another example of review farming: https://forum.primedice.com/topic/29824-earn-a-quick-50k-satoshis/.

And I don't think it will ever get resolved.
I didn't get any reply from Edward after he said that my accusation is down the track.
So it's clear that they are not willing to solve this and just wasting the time of users.

My personal thought for the users is " You will not be given the correct answer by supports & will only be misguided by false statements most of the time unless you wanna have a friendly talk with them, off-topic "
legendary
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Terminated.
I can't say I'm surprised that this has not been resolved given that "Edward Miroslav" has been found guilty of several immoral practices (account buying, trust buying) etc.

This wasn't a targeted mute, I'll unmute your account shortly, thousands of accounts are muted a day to prevent faucet abuse automatically and this just seems to be a false positive. Unfortunately we don't have an option to disable faucet on a per-account basis other than using mute, we'll be fixing that as well.
What does surprise me is that Stunna, even though he/she unmuted you, never fully tried to resolve this case. Why is that?

Another example of review farming: https://forum.primedice.com/topic/29824-earn-a-quick-50k-satoshis/.
hero member
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Add me on Telegram and we will sort this out. I would like to call you out on a lot of stuff publicly but I would rather not.

This is upsetting you're putting this under scam accusations as it's certainly not.

@EdMiroslav on TG

Sorry but I am not satisfied with your service and your answer after the chat we had on TG.
If you're wrong you should accept it rather than misguiding or buying others.

I don't want your 0.01 as you said in TG for taking down this thread and apologizing to everyone that's so unprofessional of PD.

You are giving 1.5 BTC bonus but you cannot pay a user back what he lost on your website in an unethical way.
I am just pissed how you are treating your clients after the release of pd4 and increase in btc price.
It would be great if I get compensated for my unethical losses including that 0.29BTC due to bug just after pd4 release. I am getting tired to explain this, again and again, to support and you.
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