Topic: Primedice.com | Since 2013 | Longest Running Crypto Casino | 113 BTC Jackpot! - page 1256. (Read 1990087 times)
August 28, 2014, 10:54:40 PM
Oh man this really is a bummer about the faucet. I'd have to agree that it was promised to be higher in Pd3. He said over and over when someone complained about the faucet being lowered, that it would be higher in Pd3. It was always "just wait, in Pd3 which is coming soon, faucets going to be higher and we will have awesome anti-bot systems". I'm sorry but sounds like pd is not keeping it's word.
August 28, 2014, 10:26:11 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4284687 wasnt really a promise but stunna did say there would be higher faucet
He said "Higher level = Higher reward" which is still true.
Yeah and by higher reward he said he meant higher faucet
August 28, 2014, 10:17:18 PM
This working for mobile yet? I can't play on my gs5...
Edit: OMG. I got hero member on this post. Brb selling acc... Jk
Edit: OMG. I got hero member on this post. Brb selling acc... Jk
August 28, 2014, 10:13:20 PM
Dooglus, see stunna's respone to my post re where the 4% came from.
I found it:
Claimed. We have an average roll over of about 4x the faucet amount before it is lost. Meaning when we give away money from the faucet the return to house is only 4%.
We like to say what is claimed from the faucet is basically withdrawn, minus 3 - 5% depending on variance.
We like to say what is claimed from the faucet is basically withdrawn, minus 3 - 5% depending on variance.
What he's saying is that on average, faucet money is played through 4 times before it is withdrawn, and so the 1% house edge applies to it 4 times over, and so he gets 4 percent of it back.
What he didn't say is how many times on average player deposits are played through before they are withdrawn. That could be around 4 times as well, meaning that the house gets to keep 4% of the average deposit.
Math with always hold true. Human behavior will not. Hence the differing %'s imo.
There's no way to change the 1% house edge. The house expects to keep 1% of everything this is bet, whether you bet it quickly, slowly, carefully, recklessly, or with your eyes closed and your fingers crossed. If you play through a deposit 4 times then you expect to lose 4% of it. That's the 4% he's talking about.
So I straight up asked stunna for clarification.
Right, and it was a good question. What his answer is saying is that each day the faucet gives out around 3 BTC and of that amount around 96%, or 2.88 BTC is withdrawn. So it really is costing him pretty much 3 BTC per day - not just numbers in a database.
August 28, 2014, 10:02:09 PM
stunna's a smart guy and runs the # 1 bitcoin gambling site out there
I never heard that rumour before! You're saying he runs DB as well as PD???
August 28, 2014, 10:00:31 PM
As Primedice3 opening days are coming to a close the faucet is soon going to be decreased a bit. It is currently giving out over 3 BTC a day which is a lot higher than we expected. This is mainly due to abuse.
3 BTC a day? That is crazy.
Are the faucet claimed mainly by a large number of new low level accounts?
August 28, 2014, 09:54:04 PM
Shoutout to user Juuj who managed to deposit only 0.02 and withdraw 3 BTC!
amazing
He had some amazing luck,,,
congraz
August 28, 2014, 09:49:39 PM
What about changing the "level up mechanism" to significantly lower the effect of chat?
So if you didn't gamble much, your faucet will be lowered significantly, and if you did gamble much (like those saying they deposited and play a lot just to level up), your faucet will remain the same as currently.
So if you didn't gamble much, your faucet will be lowered significantly, and if you did gamble much (like those saying they deposited and play a lot just to level up), your faucet will remain the same as currently.
August 28, 2014, 09:46:47 PM
The differing psychology in play and utility value we have with the faucet amount is what throws normal theory out the door here imo. As evidenced by normal house edge of ~1% v faucet edge of ~4%.
Where do you see that the faucet has an "edge of ~4%"?
That sounds like crazy talk to me... are you suggesting that the laws of mathematics are affected by the emotions of the person running a deterministic random number generation algorithm such that they lose a bigger percentage of the amount they risk when playing with free coins than when they are risking their own coins? Because that's what it sounds like you are saying. If not, what does "faucet edge" even mean?
Actually yeah, a high faucet was promised for PD3.
If it's the case that players were promised a certain level of faucet payouts, and that promise is now being broken, then that's no good.
I never saw anything like that in the talk leading up to the release of PD3 - from what I remember it was mostly vague "there will be levels" type stuff, nothing specific, and so changing details like the amount the faucet pays out isn't breaking any promise.
Maybe you can quote the post that made the promise you feel is now being broken.
Dooglus, see stunna's respone to my post re where the 4% came from.
Math with always hold true. Human behavior will not. Hence the differing %'s imo.
My posts were not a comment on the faucet itself (its amount, reduction etc - am not concerned about that). Others are, I don't know why - its free afterall.
But stunna's statement itself. I read it and thought 'yeah, faucet has substantial claims being made on it - so what, its all just numbers and not much at all is leaving stunna's pocket and actually being paid out from it'. And then I thought others would read it and go 'oh poor stunna, he is paying out the equivalent of 100btc a month because of the faucet, whata generous guy'.
So I straight up asked stunna for clarification.
Cheers
August 28, 2014, 09:05:15 PM
stunna will figure this out. he's been around here since the early 80's
stunna's a smart guy and runs the # 1 bitcoin gambling site out there
stunna's a smart guy and runs the # 1 bitcoin gambling site out there
August 28, 2014, 08:26:16 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4284687 wasnt really a promise but stunna did say there would be higher faucet
He said "Higher level = Higher reward" which is still true.
August 28, 2014, 08:05:33 PM
The differing psychology in play and utility value we have with the faucet amount is what throws normal theory out the door here imo. As evidenced by normal house edge of ~1% v faucet edge of ~4%.
Where do you see that the faucet has an "edge of ~4%"?
That sounds like crazy talk to me... are you suggesting that the laws of mathematics are affected by the emotions of the person running a deterministic random number generation algorithm such that they lose a bigger percentage of the amount they risk when playing with free coins than when they are risking their own coins? Because that's what it sounds like you are saying. If not, what does "faucet edge" even mean?
Actually yeah, a high faucet was promised for PD3.
If it's the case that players were promised a certain level of faucet payouts, and that promise is now being broken, then that's no good.
I never saw anything like that in the talk leading up to the release of PD3 - from what I remember it was mostly vague "there will be levels" type stuff, nothing specific, and so changing details like the amount the faucet pays out isn't breaking any promise.
Maybe you can quote the post that made the promise you feel is now being broken.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4284687 wasnt really a promise but stunna did say there would be higher faucet
August 28, 2014, 07:55:28 PM
To be honest, the faucet amount changing isn't a big deal. Isn't the purpose of the faucet to test out the site and allow those who don't want to use their own bitcoins the ability to still gamble? What's the difference between 250sat and 100sat when it comes to this? Not much in my opinion.
August 28, 2014, 07:44:23 PM
The differing psychology in play and utility value we have with the faucet amount is what throws normal theory out the door here imo. As evidenced by normal house edge of ~1% v faucet edge of ~4%.
Where do you see that the faucet has an "edge of ~4%"?
That sounds like crazy talk to me... are you suggesting that the laws of mathematics are affected by the emotions of the person running a deterministic random number generation algorithm such that they lose a bigger percentage of the amount they risk when playing with free coins than when they are risking their own coins? Because that's what it sounds like you are saying. If not, what does "faucet edge" even mean?
Actually yeah, a high faucet was promised for PD3.
If it's the case that players were promised a certain level of faucet payouts, and that promise is now being broken, then that's no good.
I never saw anything like that in the talk leading up to the release of PD3 - from what I remember it was mostly vague "there will be levels" type stuff, nothing specific, and so changing details like the amount the faucet pays out isn't breaking any promise.
Maybe you can quote the post that made the promise you feel is now being broken.
August 28, 2014, 06:39:01 PM
i think 1btc sounds like a fair faucet amount
August 28, 2014, 06:37:23 PM
Why not just do like many gambling sites do and just let you play for nonexistent currency. Like a faucet that gives you some sort of currency, but it's not bitcoins, it's sole purpose is to try the site out. Think there are sites that use these kinds of "fun-points" (name optional).
August 28, 2014, 05:55:20 PM
The faucet needs to be changed somehow, but ideally it shouldn't punish those who already spent time and money on the site under the impression that they were being rewarded with an increased faucet, which is now possibly going to be decimated. Of course, it's not supposed to be a guaranteed 'get your money back eventually' thing either and it does have the risk that people only care about boosting the faucet, and then they don't really contribute to the site.
Perhaps there should be some kind of limit on how much the faucet can be used within a certain time period - a player would have some kind of 'faucet credits' which replenish one per hour up to a certain limit (and could also be awarded for good site behaviour?), but if the player doesn't have faucet credits, they can still claim it at a reduced level, enough to keep them hooked and wanting to deposit again.
Alternatively, maybe add some strings to the faucet - if a player's current bankroll started from the faucet, flag it, so that a player can't tip/pvp/withdraw until they reach a certain amount. This would then allow tips/pvp for small amounts for depositing players to be restored since they wouldn't contribute to faucet abuse, which would improve the mood of the site again.
Perhaps there should be some kind of limit on how much the faucet can be used within a certain time period - a player would have some kind of 'faucet credits' which replenish one per hour up to a certain limit (and could also be awarded for good site behaviour?), but if the player doesn't have faucet credits, they can still claim it at a reduced level, enough to keep them hooked and wanting to deposit again.
Alternatively, maybe add some strings to the faucet - if a player's current bankroll started from the faucet, flag it, so that a player can't tip/pvp/withdraw until they reach a certain amount. This would then allow tips/pvp for small amounts for depositing players to be restored since they wouldn't contribute to faucet abuse, which would improve the mood of the site again.
August 28, 2014, 05:46:49 PM
Well this is bad news. I can understand you lose with it a bit, but it is really not fair to change it so, that it was not even an option when PD3 was announced.
I can't believe all these people complaining that the faucet that gives them free money every minute is going to be giving them less free money in the future.
Nobody ever said the faucet would run forever. What makes you all feel so entitled to free money?
Actually yeah, a high faucet was promised for PD3.
August 28, 2014, 05:44:18 PM
Exactly . And faucet was supposed to be used to test out the site.
And for new people in bitcoin so they can see how it works , maybe even get some small cashout , and get into it a bit.
And not to be used all day each day .
And faucet will still be there , just won't be this high. 100 satoshi is more than enough to test the site, 1000 sat is more than enough to make couple of cashouts per day. And that should be enough.
Not sure I understand your point, MICRO.
My impression is that primedice3 is no longer just a high-low dice game.
It is a new type of game, that requires a strategy.
The rules of the game were set, and and the players decided their strategy.
It may be that the strategy of some players is to risk losing some money
at the beginning expecting to recover later.
Changing the rules in the middle of the game does not seem right to me.
Having said that, I understand it is possible that the rules may need to change
if the game is not sustainable. But then should't just the site issue an apology,
instead of accusing the players for doing what the rules allowed them to do?
I really do not get your point MICRO.
August 28, 2014, 05:35:01 PM
I agree that it is free money, i wouldnt feel this way if pd3 wouldnt have been advertised with the whole level system and increasing faucet. I liked PD2 and the 1k sat faucet i was happy with it, but then it offered a more bigger opportunity, and that will be taken away. Thats why most of us feel a bit ripped... But whatever, at least it was and will be a few fun week... Maybe you should increase the minimum payout to 100k or even more, just for testing to see what that does...
Maybe you should increase the minimum payout to 100k or even more, just for testing to see what that does... Jump to: