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Topic: Private Keys on Collectibles Discussion - page 2. (Read 379 times)

legendary
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Disobey.
September 22, 2022, 11:24:06 AM
#8
I've never peeled anything except one Moonbits.
Since I was in direct contact with the creator I got some insight on the quality of private key production. They are almost-anything resistant (scratch, heat, water, acid, any kind of light spectrum) and the laser print has similar properties.

I was also a little shocked to read up on the Lealana private key issue and then did some research regarding some of the other big player coins. To me, unless you are a super-niche "just for friends and as a hobby" producer, it baffles me, that it is not common practice to use better, more resistant and more durable materials for the most valuable aspect of these collectibles.

Just my 50 satoshis.


In generel I see the BTC as burned. They are part of an artwork/collectible.

Resell. Don’t claim.
I get the idea, but see it totally different.
One aspect I love about crypto collectibles is the amazing mix of traditional collectible (maybe including some rare metals) and crypto. This creates a situation where you would always hesitate to "destroy" this rare collectible to access the funds. And thus just make it an amazing way to long-term safe some cryptocurrency.
If this feature is in danger, it loses a lot of its charm to me personally.
hero member
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September 22, 2022, 10:11:26 AM
#7
In generel I see the BTC as burned. They are part of an artwork/collectible.

Resell. Don’t claim.
legendary
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September 22, 2022, 08:45:55 AM
#6
The water proof paper I use with my laser printer has vern submerged for around a year and still legible - I will try scraping it with a coin fresh out of the printer - never had one smudge though during application

Thanks @Ticked
legendary
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September 22, 2022, 08:40:14 AM
#5
Interesting topic.
Obviously the aim would be target the highest quality printing process on an archival
type medium, something that is proven to last. From my photography days there were
papers available with a 100 year life span.

The printing has to be capable of super fine print, a $150 printer is not going to cut
the mustard!
sr. member
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September 22, 2022, 06:05:55 AM
#4
Personally I have long been a proponent of vellum paper & laser printer for any and all paper wallet functions. This combination is not an ink printing process susceptible to degradation at the same rate of an inkjet on semi gloss which is what many makers used for paper source early on for some reason I cannot understand.

Vellum + laser. Vellum paper is water proof & tear resistant. I can't tear a sheet with bare hands. It also has a semi porous surface. A toner based laser printer prints by melting plastic particulate onto the print medium. This combination should make for long lasting adherence without the risk of ink fade. Directly out of the printer, I cannot even smudge or scratch the ink with a coin. I have left privkeys printed like this in a glass of water for over a week resulting in zero state change. I did not test further as I felt this was adequate for personal use.

I am not in support of printing on any gloss or semi gloss paper surfaces including waterproof variants as adhesion to a gloss surface is inherently more difficult to achieve.

Just my .02
Hox
sr. member
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September 22, 2022, 05:57:36 AM
#3
TeeGUMES' Canary thread is by far the best resource for this. Check it out: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/info-the-canary-thread-5290065
full member
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Krogothmanhattan alt account
September 22, 2022, 05:46:43 AM
#2
 Good question....I do both in QR code and alphanumeric on laser printed water proof paper

  Have a test going on for close to 2 years now for private keys under water and they are fine.

TESTING- Submersing paper wallets printed on water proof papers
copper member
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Physical Bitcoin is the only way to stack
September 22, 2022, 05:40:58 AM
#1
After reading the 100 XRM Lealana coin post with its faded private key I got to thinking…. Are all private keys subject to this “fading / deterioration” over time? Would a private key be better off printed as a QR code or as an alpha-numeric sequence? Does it make a difference if the 🔑 is printed on water proof paper or if it’s ink jet or laser jet printed? So many variables at play that I think a truly controlled, long term study would be needed with multiple variables and a control group would be needed. Has anybody done anything like this or have experience? Any tips for making private keys?  Thanks guys looking forward to the responses
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