Topic: Pro gun mom got shot by her 4 years old son - page 4. (Read 2238 times)

Ah! I brought dozens of stats considering crimes but the pro gun freedom accept none of them because "correlation != causation".

In their minds culture diversity is enough to explain the fact that USA gets a murder rates 4 times higher than any other civilized Western country xD

You're argument is that self defense doesn't require killing.
It's right, and what? That's not what I claimed. I claimed that the main purpose of a gun is to kill. Hence you can frighten people because they KNOW that the ONLY purpose of a gun is to kill.

I denied all your arguments, can you give me any use of a loaded gun at home but to kill?

I think it's a good example of why not every idiot should be able to own one and why there needs to be more restrictions in place.


Well that's certainly what they should be used for but does anyone have any stats or the percentage that guns are actually used efficiently in self defense compared to incidents like this and all the others that happen?

So your retort is... once again repeating the lie that "the only purpose of guns is to kill" over and over and over in the same post. Very convincing. You don't like the fact people defend their lives with guns, so just say "because the only purpose of a gun is to kill" after each example of nonlethal uses of guns and like magic the cognitive dissonance in the rusty wheel-works of your socialist confirmation bias riddled mind once again can grind away freely.

Just because you imagine violence, does not make the violence real, hence the fact that self defensive use of firearms DOES NOT REQUIRE KILLING, even if you pretend like this is not the case to try to support your shitty unsupportable argument.
Anything that doesn't fit with your socialist conditioning = "a propaganda guy"

Sorry I took the time to make a long post to explain others how you're lying.
But again, what would you expect from a propaganda guy

Here, corrected this for you, it was just a flawed reasoning don't thank me
Whaou, what a good argument, I'm really convinced.
Anyway, what would you expect from an American?
Because the only purpose of a gun is to kill hence they're frightened.
Because the only purpose of a gun is to kill hence they're frightened.
Right and that's why nobody wants a total ban of guns but you don't need to have a loaded gun in your house to practice target shooting.
Same as above
Cool thing bro, but you know you can collect swords for example too? Well usually collection swords are not sharpen. In the same way, collection guns don't have to be functionnal and they really don't need to be loaded and ready to fire.
Same as above
Because the only purpose of a gun is to kill hence they're frightened.
Right and that's why nobody wants a total ban of guns but you don't need to have a loaded gun in your house to practice target shooting.
No, the only point I'll grant you is the pleasure aspect of collection or skill shooting for example. Which is why total ban is never what people ask for, but skill shooting or collection don't need a loaded weapon at home ready to fire.
Well it doesn't except for the pleasure aspect of the guns. Which I agree on.
Sure because that's what I said xD

You're really a big mouth of propaganda. Anyway it doesn't change the fact that you're lying.

Repeating a lie doesn't make it any less of a lie liar. I already thoroughly dismissed this claim above.

Maybe it's because a lighter has other purposes than burning the house down whereas guns don't have other purpose than killing

Yeah. Just never let minors touch a gun. They don't have any idea what this stuff purpose. Then it's just happen. They can kill people. So be careful with this thing

Right. Funny when someone leaves a lighter laying around and a kid burns the house down, no one immediately blames the lighter and tries to have them banned even though fire is arguably far more destructive and dangerous than a gun. You know why that is? Because the media doesn't whip people into a hysteria programming fear of lighters into them.

Exactly. Not only guns but many other things too harm people when improperly used. IMO the safety of people is about education, not prohibitition.

Just to point out, this is completely the mother's fault for not properly securing the firearm, not whether or not was a pro-gun mom. The fact that she was a pro-gun mom just makes it another excuse to say, "this is exactly why guns shouldn't be legal" counterarguement. She placed a loaded gun where it was easily reachable by the child. The firearm should of been locked in a child-proof container and kept in the trunk. Then, I guess the argument could be it couldn't be easily accessible if something were to happen. Either way, the fire-arm was not secure in the presence of a child. This is stupid human error on her part and now she has to face the consequences. 

The NUMBER ONE PURPOSE OF A GUN IS SELF DEFENSE.

So you are doubling down on your ridiculous argument that guns are only for killing? Let me list just a few examples that prove you are absolutely full of shit and disingenuously just making claims that are impossible to back up:

-deterrent to crime simply by having it be seen by criminals
-brandishing without firing for self defense
-target shooting
-hunting for food (or should we not hunt animals to eat because it upsets you so?)
-collecting
-shooting competition/skill shooting
-law enforcement
-animal control

That took about 3 seconds. It is 100% fact that guns can be used for MANY other purposes than killing. Just because in your twisted pacifist mind you only can imagine it being used for killing does NOT make it reality. As a result your statement below is nothing more than a bold faced lie you toss about as a convenient platitude that works for control freaks like you who can't stand other people being free and able to defend themselves.



As far as your shotgun comment... ever hear of rocksalt douchebag? Of course you haven't, why would you know anything about firearms, you have probably never even seen one in your life. You live in a socialist hellhole where the subjects can't be trusted with arms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun#Less-lethal_rounds.2C_for_riot_and_animal_control

Well, Tecshare would maybe try to argue shotguns have other purpose than to kill someone xD

If you use a shotgun in the correct distance then you would have to miss your target on purpose to not kill him.

Well i guess the dream of arms manufacturers would be that every shot would miss and therefor people create an infinite demand.
Peoples death are just a sad and a not wanted occurrence - usually by accident or mistake - in the world of arms producer.

Lord of War was a pretty good movie

Multiple lessons here. Weapons must be secured in a rapid-opening finger-touch-code locking device. Another lesson; handguns are wounding weapons that sometimes kill. The best home defense weapon should be either a shotgun or center-fire rifle (if living in dense population / apartment, rifle rounds over penetrate, so only a shotgun would be appropriate).

Sigh...
Amnesia? No it's just that contrary to you I understand words. Tell me, how guns protect lifes? Yeah by killing. The only purpose of a gun is to kill. It's the ONE AND UNIQUE PURPOSE of a gun.

I am pro-gun but you NEVER leave a loaded firearm lying around anywhere, especially near kids. This woman is stupid.

So you did not just state that guns have no other use than to kill people? It seems pretty clear to me you did, making my statement 100% fair and logical. Just because you get amnesia about what you said when convenient doesn't erase your statement from the record.