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Topic: [PR(o)] ✪ Prototanium 119 ✪ <<财富>> ◣Its like UNO, because it is.◥ - page 15. (Read 45939 times)
April 15, 2016, 02:02:22 PM
If UNO devs decide they need a new testnet, they will "fork" testnet, and PR will just go on living as it has. Cryptapus settled that debate.
debate over
okay windows client SOL
but network is up and mining
in the
meantime get funds for a dev
debate over
okay windows client SOL
but network is up and mining
in the
meantime get funds for a dev
April 15, 2016, 01:03:25 PM
Not on the wallet yet. But here is some UNO/Cryptsy news:
For anyone unaware. Camp UNO is divided on Protanium/testnet, some like, some love, and some hate.
Someone more technical (likely only the creator) needs to clarify the possibility/outcome of a UNO testnet reset. I think the easiest solution is just make another /testnet directory, but I can neither confirm nor deny if that is possible. (Depends on the bitcoin core code).
I would also suggest a snap shot, then untie from the uno/testnet, but that is a hardfork option. But would end the 'testnet' debate.
First things first ... getting a wallet that syncs ... stay tuned.
Please remember that PR is and was a testnet
EDIT:
Well FallingKnife, it doesn't actually work like that. Once you reset the blockchain, you reset it all the way. Meaning, everyone who had PRO coins would all have 0 balance, back to block one. So, anyone that puts money into it, or trades it, loses all they had no matter what once the blockchain has been reset. And yes, that really is the point of the testnet, to just wipe it and start over if need be, not that it has been recently reset, but with testing and development it will need to be reset.
To really clarify the best I can: Yes, it does all simply evaporate by resetting it. Yes, there are nodes, they would all start from block 1 again. If you wanted to keep the coins and preserve the blockchain, you'd need to fork the testnet again and then it's no longer UNOs testnet, it becomes Prototanium as an entire new coin. In effect, that does actually just create another cloned premined coin as well. So, not a good idea at all.
Yeah, that's what I was going to say, they will pay these guys $400/hour each out of the Cryptsy money, not government money.
If Paul Vernon actually had a couple million of his own money left, that will pay for the lawyers and receivers and liquid capital that was of the company.
$400/hour is not a lot, it's about the hourly going rate of a mid range decent attorney these days. If you've been to court like me, you've easily paid a lawyer $300-400 an hour.
That money will be locked up for quite a while, if Vernon doesn't have the privkeys to "hack" the UNO as well. You never know, once the price gets too sweet for him with his Chinese girlfriend he may need to cash out coins he can reach to stay on the lam.
As for the Protanium/testnet discussion: Yes, it's true the testnet could need an entire reset at any time should there need to be some heavy testing on it. I thought everyone was aware of that, it being a testnet, but I can so how that would piss people off if they had money involved. Yes, inherently a testnet should actually have no value. If you try to monetize BTCs testnet, they just reset it on purpose.
If Paul Vernon actually had a couple million of his own money left, that will pay for the lawyers and receivers and liquid capital that was of the company.
$400/hour is not a lot, it's about the hourly going rate of a mid range decent attorney these days. If you've been to court like me, you've easily paid a lawyer $300-400 an hour.
That money will be locked up for quite a while, if Vernon doesn't have the privkeys to "hack" the UNO as well. You never know, once the price gets too sweet for him with his Chinese girlfriend he may need to cash out coins he can reach to stay on the lam.
As for the Protanium/testnet discussion: Yes, it's true the testnet could need an entire reset at any time should there need to be some heavy testing on it. I thought everyone was aware of that, it being a testnet, but I can so how that would piss people off if they had money involved. Yes, inherently a testnet should actually have no value. If you try to monetize BTCs testnet, they just reset it on purpose.
For anyone unaware. Camp UNO is divided on Protanium/testnet, some like, some love, and some hate.
Someone more technical (likely only the creator) needs to clarify the possibility/outcome of a UNO testnet reset. I think the easiest solution is just make another /testnet directory, but I can neither confirm nor deny if that is possible. (Depends on the bitcoin core code).
I would also suggest a snap shot, then untie from the uno/testnet, but that is a hardfork option. But would end the 'testnet' debate.
First things first ... getting a wallet that syncs ... stay tuned.
Please remember that PR is and was a testnet
EDIT:
Re UNO Testnet/PR - worst that happens is that it gets reset in a future wallet, and you can no longer access your Testnet3/PR through the UNO wallet.
You'd use the PR client instead. If he ever needs a Uno testnet because he can't work on PR, BW will create a genesis block for a new testnet and compile a new client. Testnet3/PR has long run off down the road as its own thing. It won't simply evaporate by resetting it, because there is a network and nodes that have arrived at consensus... they won't just immediately wipe out the entire blockchain and sync to block 1 of testnet4. You'd have to take down the entire network (which admittedly, might not be too difficult).
Anyway... its not a big deal to me. Its just another piece of UNO's interesting history.
I hope someone is writing all these adventures down. I'd be the first to buy the book, "The Unabridged History of Unobtanium." Chapter 26: Prototanium.
You'd use the PR client instead. If he ever needs a Uno testnet because he can't work on PR, BW will create a genesis block for a new testnet and compile a new client. Testnet3/PR has long run off down the road as its own thing. It won't simply evaporate by resetting it, because there is a network and nodes that have arrived at consensus... they won't just immediately wipe out the entire blockchain and sync to block 1 of testnet4. You'd have to take down the entire network (which admittedly, might not be too difficult).
Anyway... its not a big deal to me. Its just another piece of UNO's interesting history.
I hope someone is writing all these adventures down. I'd be the first to buy the book, "The Unabridged History of Unobtanium." Chapter 26: Prototanium.
Well FallingKnife, it doesn't actually work like that. Once you reset the blockchain, you reset it all the way. Meaning, everyone who had PRO coins would all have 0 balance, back to block one. So, anyone that puts money into it, or trades it, loses all they had no matter what once the blockchain has been reset. And yes, that really is the point of the testnet, to just wipe it and start over if need be, not that it has been recently reset, but with testing and development it will need to be reset.
To really clarify the best I can: Yes, it does all simply evaporate by resetting it. Yes, there are nodes, they would all start from block 1 again. If you wanted to keep the coins and preserve the blockchain, you'd need to fork the testnet again and then it's no longer UNOs testnet, it becomes Prototanium as an entire new coin. In effect, that does actually just create another cloned premined coin as well. So, not a good idea at all.
To really clarify the best I can: Yes, it does all simply evaporate by resetting it. Yes, there are nodes, they would all start from block 1 again. If you wanted to keep the coins and preserve the blockchain, you'd need to fork the testnet again and then it's no longer UNOs testnet, it becomes Prototanium as an entire new coin. In effect, that does actually just create another cloned premined coin as well. So, not a good idea at all.
There's no need to fork PR. If UNO devs decide they need a new testnet, they will "fork" testnet, and PR will just go on living as it has. Cryptapus settled that debate.
Just a quick wallet update: I paid a dev to build us new Windows wallets. He did (or at least he seemed to) and everything looked good at first, but then we discovered that a sync problem remained. It seems to have something to do with checkpoints.
So far the dev has not sent updated wallets resolving that issue. I have no futher information.
If nothing is heard soon, I will repost my bounty for working PR windows wallets.
My main interest in saving PR was to try and cleanup a few of the problems for Cryptopia, who took the coin in good faith. They received unfair criticism when the blockchain stalled and people were unable to move their coins. I've spent about a bitcoin so far (and plenty of hours) trying to keep it up. I am hopeful that a dev with a reputation will stepforward to shepherd PR into the future.
UNO faced similiar issues in early 2014. A strong community formed around UNO and kept it going. I think that is what will be required for PR to succeed.
The PR network has been restored. We have nodes, a mining pool, an explorer, an exchange. A working Windows wallet would be a big help right now, as would a reliable dev who could just keep an eye on PR and occassionally provide updates for wallet security. I don't think it would require a huge amount of time. If a dev looking to make a good name for him/herself sees an active community and a coin that isn't broken beyond repair (which PR is not), they might step in and help out.
Things you can do help:
Run a node if you can
Go to miningrigrentals.com and rent a little hash (1tb or less) and point it at wmikrut.com pool.
Trade PR on Cryptopia, help make a market. Preferrably the UNO market
Use your contacts to help PR locate a reliable, trustworthy dev
Be patient
Help out wherever you can. You are PR now.
April 13, 2016, 09:42:47 AM
Official website and faucet still Offline, no more update?
Come on Dev...update some information here.
Thanks!
Come on Dev...update some information here.
Thanks!
April 12, 2016, 03:39:15 AM
How to wallet fix sync ?
i can sync without problem,but no block source availble
"no block source"
Nodes
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/pr/#!network
https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/BlockExplorer?coin=PR
personally i'm waiting for the patched version
Hi when fix wallet sync ?
April 08, 2016, 11:16:19 AM
ya,.i think all trader waiting news too from here,.after all fixed then we can request to another exchange to be added
bloombit,safecex and ccex maybe can be considered for start
Do ask you like. More exchanges, more better. But i'd prefer we clear the above debate, fork PR then seek another exchange (just makes it easier to successfully fork).
April 08, 2016, 11:13:58 AM
the big debate:
...
Maybe this will help:
Forking the testnet is a simple pull-request away, and someone will do it eventually when it's necessary to play with the testnet again (since it is worthless for testing in it's current state, too long and bloated and difficulty too high). If someone wants to keep mining the old testnet at that point, no one can stop them from setting up full nodes to keep it going. We'll just bump the version number and not offer connections to the old testnet.
Of coarse, someone could do that even without a pull request to run a private testnet and that would be fine too.
If you're offering any monetary reward for testnet coins you're simply rewarding the abuse of the testnet. But anyone who needs the testnet probably doesn't care because we can fork it at any time and it's your money to blow.
i stress nothing soon, and again if Hag shows up and can explain how Prototanium can be both the UNO test net and monetized at the same time, we are willing to listen, but i would say the current plan is to fork PR and make it a stand alone coin, no date/time of when that happens but i suggest that that is THE PLAN
To really clarify the best I can: Yes, it does all simply evaporate by resetting it.
consensus? a lone wolf can't just reset it.If you wanted to keep the coins and preserve the blockchain, you'd need to fork the testnet again and then it's no longer UNOs testnet, it becomes Prototanium as an entire new coin. In effect, that does actually just create another cloned premined coin as well. So, not a good idea at all.
good idea or not, it is likely the outcome of this disagreement. when? not soon ... again Blazr/Hag created both ... if he wishes to resurface from the deep and inform us ... that is welcome ... but forking PR off the testnet ends the debate ... and PR walks off as a "cloned premined coin" and "it lives on in infamy". ...
Maybe this will help:
Forking the testnet is a simple pull-request away, and someone will do it eventually when it's necessary to play with the testnet again (since it is worthless for testing in it's current state, too long and bloated and difficulty too high). If someone wants to keep mining the old testnet at that point, no one can stop them from setting up full nodes to keep it going. We'll just bump the version number and not offer connections to the old testnet.
Of coarse, someone could do that even without a pull request to run a private testnet and that would be fine too.
If you're offering any monetary reward for testnet coins you're simply rewarding the abuse of the testnet. But anyone who needs the testnet probably doesn't care because we can fork it at any time and it's your money to blow.
i stress nothing soon, and again if Hag shows up and can explain how Prototanium can be both the UNO test net and monetized at the same time, we are willing to listen, but i would say the current plan is to fork PR and make it a stand alone coin, no date/time of when that happens but i suggest that that is THE PLAN
April 06, 2016, 05:00:57 AM
How to wallet fix sync ?
i can sync without problem,but no block source availble
"no block source"
Nodes
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/pr/#!network
https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/BlockExplorer?coin=PR
personally i'm waiting for the patched version
ya,.i think all trader waiting news too from here,.after all fixed then we can request to another exchange to be added
bloombit,safecex and ccex maybe can be considered for start
April 06, 2016, 03:57:31 AM
How to wallet fix sync ?
i can sync without problem,but no block source availble
"no block source"
Nodes
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/pr/#!network
https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/BlockExplorer?coin=PR
personally i'm waiting for the patched version
April 05, 2016, 06:14:24 PM
How to wallet fix sync ?
i can sync without problem,but no block source availble
April 05, 2016, 03:14:04 PM
How to wallet fix sync ?
April 05, 2016, 10:49:33 AM
Not on the wallet yet. But here is some UNO/Cryptsy news:
For anyone unaware. Camp UNO is divided on Protanium/testnet, some like, some love, and some hate.
Someone more technical (likely only the creator) needs to clarify the possibility/outcome of a UNO testnet reset. I think the easiest solution is just make another /testnet directory, but I can neither confirm nor deny if that is possible. (Depends on the bitcoin core code).
I would also suggest a snap shot, then untie from the uno/testnet, but that is a hardfork option. But would end the 'testnet' debate.
First things first ... getting a wallet that syncs ... stay tuned.
Please remember that PR is and was a testnet
EDIT:
Well FallingKnife, it doesn't actually work like that. Once you reset the blockchain, you reset it all the way. Meaning, everyone who had PRO coins would all have 0 balance, back to block one. So, anyone that puts money into it, or trades it, loses all they had no matter what once the blockchain has been reset. And yes, that really is the point of the testnet, to just wipe it and start over if need be, not that it has been recently reset, but with testing and development it will need to be reset.
To really clarify the best I can: Yes, it does all simply evaporate by resetting it. Yes, there are nodes, they would all start from block 1 again. If you wanted to keep the coins and preserve the blockchain, you'd need to fork the testnet again and then it's no longer UNOs testnet, it becomes Prototanium as an entire new coin. In effect, that does actually just create another cloned premined coin as well. So, not a good idea at all.
Yeah, that's what I was going to say, they will pay these guys $400/hour each out of the Cryptsy money, not government money.
If Paul Vernon actually had a couple million of his own money left, that will pay for the lawyers and receivers and liquid capital that was of the company.
$400/hour is not a lot, it's about the hourly going rate of a mid range decent attorney these days. If you've been to court like me, you've easily paid a lawyer $300-400 an hour.
That money will be locked up for quite a while, if Vernon doesn't have the privkeys to "hack" the UNO as well. You never know, once the price gets too sweet for him with his Chinese girlfriend he may need to cash out coins he can reach to stay on the lam.
As for the Protanium/testnet discussion: Yes, it's true the testnet could need an entire reset at any time should there need to be some heavy testing on it. I thought everyone was aware of that, it being a testnet, but I can so how that would piss people off if they had money involved. Yes, inherently a testnet should actually have no value. If you try to monetize BTCs testnet, they just reset it on purpose.
If Paul Vernon actually had a couple million of his own money left, that will pay for the lawyers and receivers and liquid capital that was of the company.
$400/hour is not a lot, it's about the hourly going rate of a mid range decent attorney these days. If you've been to court like me, you've easily paid a lawyer $300-400 an hour.
That money will be locked up for quite a while, if Vernon doesn't have the privkeys to "hack" the UNO as well. You never know, once the price gets too sweet for him with his Chinese girlfriend he may need to cash out coins he can reach to stay on the lam.
As for the Protanium/testnet discussion: Yes, it's true the testnet could need an entire reset at any time should there need to be some heavy testing on it. I thought everyone was aware of that, it being a testnet, but I can so how that would piss people off if they had money involved. Yes, inherently a testnet should actually have no value. If you try to monetize BTCs testnet, they just reset it on purpose.
For anyone unaware. Camp UNO is divided on Protanium/testnet, some like, some love, and some hate.
Someone more technical (likely only the creator) needs to clarify the possibility/outcome of a UNO testnet reset. I think the easiest solution is just make another /testnet directory, but I can neither confirm nor deny if that is possible. (Depends on the bitcoin core code).
I would also suggest a snap shot, then untie from the uno/testnet, but that is a hardfork option. But would end the 'testnet' debate.
First things first ... getting a wallet that syncs ... stay tuned.
Please remember that PR is and was a testnet
EDIT:
Re UNO Testnet/PR - worst that happens is that it gets reset in a future wallet, and you can no longer access your Testnet3/PR through the UNO wallet.
You'd use the PR client instead. If he ever needs a Uno testnet because he can't work on PR, BW will create a genesis block for a new testnet and compile a new client. Testnet3/PR has long run off down the road as its own thing. It won't simply evaporate by resetting it, because there is a network and nodes that have arrived at consensus... they won't just immediately wipe out the entire blockchain and sync to block 1 of testnet4. You'd have to take down the entire network (which admittedly, might not be too difficult).
Anyway... its not a big deal to me. Its just another piece of UNO's interesting history.
I hope someone is writing all these adventures down. I'd be the first to buy the book, "The Unabridged History of Unobtanium." Chapter 26: Prototanium.
You'd use the PR client instead. If he ever needs a Uno testnet because he can't work on PR, BW will create a genesis block for a new testnet and compile a new client. Testnet3/PR has long run off down the road as its own thing. It won't simply evaporate by resetting it, because there is a network and nodes that have arrived at consensus... they won't just immediately wipe out the entire blockchain and sync to block 1 of testnet4. You'd have to take down the entire network (which admittedly, might not be too difficult).
Anyway... its not a big deal to me. Its just another piece of UNO's interesting history.
I hope someone is writing all these adventures down. I'd be the first to buy the book, "The Unabridged History of Unobtanium." Chapter 26: Prototanium.
Well FallingKnife, it doesn't actually work like that. Once you reset the blockchain, you reset it all the way. Meaning, everyone who had PRO coins would all have 0 balance, back to block one. So, anyone that puts money into it, or trades it, loses all they had no matter what once the blockchain has been reset. And yes, that really is the point of the testnet, to just wipe it and start over if need be, not that it has been recently reset, but with testing and development it will need to be reset.
To really clarify the best I can: Yes, it does all simply evaporate by resetting it. Yes, there are nodes, they would all start from block 1 again. If you wanted to keep the coins and preserve the blockchain, you'd need to fork the testnet again and then it's no longer UNOs testnet, it becomes Prototanium as an entire new coin. In effect, that does actually just create another cloned premined coin as well. So, not a good idea at all.
To really clarify the best I can: Yes, it does all simply evaporate by resetting it. Yes, there are nodes, they would all start from block 1 again. If you wanted to keep the coins and preserve the blockchain, you'd need to fork the testnet again and then it's no longer UNOs testnet, it becomes Prototanium as an entire new coin. In effect, that does actually just create another cloned premined coin as well. So, not a good idea at all.
April 04, 2016, 11:24:47 AM
any news ? 
April 04, 2016, 04:48:31 AM
my wallet still no sync please help , thanks
April 04, 2016, 03:03:55 AM
using FKs bootstrap at mega:///#!3NVB1TjQ!nU_wcJ15sl2jHZ5OKMIT3UOYeAu1u0uwNCuuG1dO0Qg
i am synching with3 1 peers at block 183232 so far
will update..
i am synching with
will update..
April 03, 2016, 10:28:10 AM
173499 
The word is that the new wallet is hitting checkpoints and stalling. Sorry we didn't catch that. A new build is expected later today that will address it. If I were a professional software tester, I would caught this.
So again.... don't install this one. Wait for later today.
April 03, 2016, 05:34:53 AM
only 2,55BTC - 2550.74584797 PR buy wall PR GO TO 0.001BTC
April 03, 2016, 05:27:59 AM
April 03, 2016, 05:24:12 AM
How much supply this coin?
April 03, 2016, 03:57:17 AM
yobit is good exchange too,.to make this coin popular
a lot of trader on there
but there is info like this to be added fast on yobit
To add a new coin to Yobit please you need to fill out the form below.
Payment method: YobiCode
Listing type:
• Free - 0.00 btc - no guarantee
• Premium - 0.1 btc - 2 business day
• Exclusive - 0.5 btc - 1 business day + mail alert to all users
Please register and create Yobicode here.
https://yobit.net/en/addcoin/
a lot of trader on there
but there is info like this to be added fast on yobit
To add a new coin to Yobit please you need to fill out the form below.
Payment method: YobiCode
Listing type:
• Free - 0.00 btc - no guarantee
• Premium - 0.1 btc - 2 business day
• Exclusive - 0.5 btc - 1 business day + mail alert to all users
Please register and create Yobicode here.
https://yobit.net/en/addcoin/
April 03, 2016, 03:05:10 AM
is anyone in possession of a bootstrap with a block count higher than 173499?
cryptochainer is lacking one and i appear to be stumped at the same block (on 2 machines)
i was at block 250193 before the reindex.
i recall getting stuck at this same block in january/february. in fact now i recall FK put a .zip up on mega...
mega:///#!3NVB1TjQ!nU_wcJ15sl2jHZ5OKMIT3UOYeAu1u0uwNCuuG1dO0Qg
E2A - Forget this, i'm going for a swim!!!
cryptochainer is lacking one and i appear to be stumped at the same block (on 2 machines)
i was at block 250193 before the reindex.
i recall getting stuck at this same block in january/february. in fact now i recall FK put a .zip up on mega...
mega:///#!3NVB1TjQ!nU_wcJ15sl2jHZ5OKMIT3UOYeAu1u0uwNCuuG1dO0Qg
E2A - Forget this, i'm going for a swim!!!
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