Topic: Proactive fighting with spammers. Doing it the right way - page 2. (Read 7145 times)
Shouldn't be disallowing account sales to happen in this forum something where all staff members directly would agree on? As it didn't happen yet, is that because of the fact that there is some sort of resistance within the staff, or are you guys still looking for a way to incorporate it in the right way? I might be wrong of course, but enforcing such policy shouldn't be that much of a difficulty.
But i would like to see banning alt accounts, which is main cause for selling accounts and spamming. Single person creating multi accounts and posting shit for few months and sell them with high forum rank to some newbie scammer. And also lending with bitcointalk account as collateral adds up to this queue for spamming, But happens mostly when the lender try to sell that account for defaulting and this encourages newbies to create multi account just for lending.
I think that having one or two alts is fine, and kind-of-encouraged in a free speech environment (e.g. a case where stating something may receive 'negative feedback' on your main account). The problem is the people account farming (we're talking about tens to hundreds of accounts).I don't like the reputation is based on the number of days and posts rather we need the ranking to be based on some other factors which could actually determine the their reputation.
That's not reputation, that's activity.But the forum works that way in general higher activity rank members are more reputable and newbies are least. don't you agree this is the mindset of most forum members and visitors
I don't think banning account selling would have decent effect since we are not able to detect many sales which are done inside this forum. If sales are encouraged outside this forum, our chances of finding sold accounts becomes slim.
We can actually. We're aware of plenty of public sales, and there's a fair amount of accounts that have been tagged for this very reason. In addition to that, the administration has more tools to detect these. As I said, the primary thing about the idea is the added risk of a permanent ban (both sides).But i would like to see banning alt accounts, which is main cause for selling accounts and spamming. Single person creating multi accounts and posting shit for few months and sell them with high forum rank to some newbie scammer. And also lending with bitcointalk account as collateral adds up to this queue for spamming, But happens mostly when the lender try to sell that account for defaulting and this encourages newbies to create multi account just for lending.
I think that having one or two alts is fine, and kind-of-encouraged in a free speech environment (e.g. a case where stating something may receive 'negative feedback' on your main account). The problem is the people account farming (we're talking about tens to hundreds of accounts).I don't like the reputation is based on the number of days and posts rather we need the ranking to be based on some other factors which could actually determine the their reputation.
That's not reputation, that's activity.https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitmixer-spammers-1378965
A ton of posters who can be removed straight away.
Update: All of those have been banned yesterday already. A ton of posters who can be removed straight away.
And by the way I have seen people talking to their alts in the same thread quoting their own posts and speaking as if they were 2 different persons. There are some real nut jobs on this forum and before the whole thing goes to shit something radical must be done. I haven't seen anything like this on other forums. I guess the incentive to gain more coins is pushing people in the abnormal behavior. Greed is bad okay?
You can report them. If it's proven that they're just one person talking to himself for signature earning I'm sure the mods will do something about it.
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Hm. Looks like bitmixer's campaign is restarting under Lauda's management.
They can start by having a look at this thread.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitmixer-spammers-1378965
A ton of posters who can be removed straight away.
Account sales can't be banned because they can be facilitated off this forum and you may never know what deal has gone through and where. How can you control something that doesn't happen within the reach of the forum??
No, you are wrong. Account sales can't be stopped, but they can be made bannable. If we make this a punishable offense, this introduces a huge risk to both parties involved in such trades. I'm pretty sure that this would have a decent effect on this though.I don't think banning account selling would have decent effect since we are not able to detect many sales which are done inside this forum. If sales are encouraged outside this forum, our chances of finding sold accounts becomes slim.
But i would like to see banning alt accounts, which is main cause for selling accounts and spamming. Single person creating multi accounts and posting shit for few months and sell them with high forum rank to some newbie scammer. And also lending with bitcointalk account as collateral adds up to this queue for spamming, But happens mostly when the lender try to sell that account for defaulting and this encourages newbies to create multi account just for lending.
I don't like the reputation is based on the number of days and posts rather we need the ranking to be based on some other factors which could actually determine the their reputation.
Looks like someone is desperately trying to get rid of a (most likely banned) bitmixer Hero account through an auction right now.
I've just looked into that; statistically the odds are very high in favor of the account being banned.But let us not discuss Bitmixer specifically here. We will be observe the effectiveness of the 'put stress on the manager' method after some time. Additionally, I'd like to hear what people think about making account sales banned?
I personally don't see why this isn't being implemented yet as the majority of the people here are badly against the practice of selling accounts.
Account sales can't be banned because they can be facilitated off this forum and you may never know what deal has gone through and where. How can you control something that doesn't happen within the reach of the forum??
No, you are wrong. Account sales can't be stopped, but they can be made bannable. If we make this a punishable offense, this introduces a huge risk to both parties involved in such trades. I'm pretty sure that this would have a decent effect on this though. 
Account sales can't be banned because they can be facilitated off this forum and you may never know what deal has gone through and where. How can you control something that doesn't happen within the reach of the forum??
I guess they won't ban them. At least, not for shit posting per se, though some may indeed get banned, for example, for copy-pasting if caught. The punishment should obviously "fit the crime", and kicking them off the signature campaign will most certainly suffice to stop these users from flooding the forum with junk posts altogether. In fact, not banning them (even temporarily) would be a more severe punishment to them...
You are working under the assumption that we are talking about plenty of different people posting in the campaign. My analysis has shown several strong patterns amongst the posters which leads me to believe that a handful of people own(ed) most of the accounts. Those are the people primarily abusing their positions and ruining this forum.Since many will try to join other signature campaigns and undoubtedly end up kicked off again
If something like SPAS was active (made by Lutpin), then that wouldn't be a problem. At this time, they can likely join some Altcoin campaign or something (which kind of makes the bans in Bitmixer less effective).Even though I am kicked from Bitmixer, and I as result removed my signature, I am happy to see that something is being done about spammers. I am literally sick and tired of all these google translate freaks that are only milking this forum till it's empty. Good thing is that every user enrolled will be subject to weekly quality checks by Lauda. This will make sure no spammer remains active for long. I am sure of that.
The important thing is that: You realize that it is your fault. You want to improve. You put in effort into 2. There are likely going to be people attacking me from heavy sides due to this, and those are the people that have really deserved to be banned forever. This is why I'll run a separation of the blacklist into people that are banned forever and those that may get un-banned if significant improvement is shown.Looks like someone is desperately trying to get rid of a (most likely banned) bitmixer Hero account through an auction right now.
I've just looked into that; statistically the odds are very high in favor of the account being banned.But let us not discuss Bitmixer specifically here. We will be observe the effectiveness of the 'put stress on the manager' method after some time. Additionally, I'd like to hear what people think about making account sales banned?
Looks like someone is desperately trying to get rid of a (most likely banned) bitmixer Hero account through an auction right now.
It might be the trigger where soon many accounts previously enrolled in that campaign will be sold as an attempt to get some money for their with spam filled accounts.
It might be the trigger where soon many accounts previously enrolled in that campaign will be sold as an attempt to get some money for their with spam filled accounts.
Even though I am kicked from Bitmixer, and I as result removed my signature, I am happy to see that something is being done about spammers. I am literally sick and tired of all these google translate freaks that are only milking this forum till it's empty. Good thing is that every user enrolled will be subject to weekly quality checks by Lauda. This will make sure no spammer remains active for long. I am sure of that.
You could attempt to contribute to the community by writing a "guide" with some pointers for this (I'm not aware that there is one).
Would it be of any use, really? After all, anyone that could possibly want anything to do with it should know what actual spam is. I don't think that individuals which would like to increase their post quality would be questioning whether their posts are spam or not.
Most people should be able to understand that if their posts are all one-liners or vague and generalized recycled garbage, or agreeing posts, then they are spam. If the post isn't adding anything, then it's spam. What's so hard to understand about that?
However, I think it's good to question whether your posts are useful or not. IIRC, there have been a few times that I've written down a lengthy post to realize that I'm on the wrong page... and then deleting it.
Looks like Lauda has been going strong with cleaning up the Bitmixer campaign. If that means that I get banned as well, then it is what it is. But it's a good effort to keep the forum clean.
You won't be banned, as you don't fit the criteria. You are going to be evaluated again in Round two which is tomorrow. I've also suggested a extensive BAN list from this cleanup to the forum administration. Whether they will take action on it or not, is not up to me. As stated in the post, this should be taken as a warning sign that flags your posting behavior as bad (hence it needed thorough improvement)I guess they won't ban them. At least, not for shit posting per se, though some may indeed get banned, for example, for copy-pasting if caught. The punishment should obviously "fit the crime", and kicking them off the signature campaign will most certainly suffice to stop these users from flooding the forum with junk posts altogether. In fact, not banning them (even temporarily) would be a more severe punishment to them...
Since many will try to join other signature campaigns and undoubtedly end up kicked off again
I'll see tomorrow whether or not I'm still part of the campaign. Either way, it was about time that something was done to get rid of the major part of the Bitmixer shitposters. One thing is sure, your appointment will surely makes me want to improve my post quality directly. 
What I've already been asked several times is 'how to improve posting quality'. You could attempt to contribute to the community by writing a "guide" with some pointers for this (I'm not aware that there is one). Make sure to make it self-moderated and discuss with someone else prior. <- This is an example of something that a spammer is very unlikely going to do for the forum. They are likely going to respond to the thread with "Thank you, now I impruv my posting quality.".Then let them do that. I think instead of batting this tired old mouse around, admins ought to try things--anything--out, see what works. And even though I'm in a campaign now, I would have no problem with nuking the signatures altogether. The spam here is just goddamn ridiculous, and it's painfully obvious that it's the sig campaigners' fault.
Agreed. While it may be near-impossible to completely halt account sales, adding the risk of being permanently banned (both seller and buyer) will definitely kill a huge chunk of the market. 
If account sales were banned on here, they'd simply move to another website and carry on there.
Looks like Lauda has been going strong with cleaning up the Bitmixer campaign. If that means that I get banned as well, then it is what it is. But it's a good effort to keep the forum clean.
You won't be banned, as you don't fit the criteria. You are going to be evaluated again in Round two which is tomorrow. I've also suggested a extensive BAN list from this cleanup to the forum administration. Whether they will take action on it or not, is not up to me. As stated in the post, this should be taken as a warning sign that flags your posting behavior as bad (hence it needed thorough improvement).I'll see tomorrow whether or not I'm still part of the campaign. Either way, it was about time that something was done to get rid of the major part of the Bitmixer shitposters. One thing is sure, your appointment will surely makes me want to improve my post quality directly.
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I'll see tomorrow whether or not I'm still part of the campaign. Either way, it was about time that something was done to get rid of the major part of the Bitmixer shitposters. One thing is sure, your appointment will surely makes me want to improve my post quality directly.
What I've already been asked several times is 'how to improve posting quality'. You could attempt to contribute to the community by writing a "guide" with some pointers for this (I'm not aware that there is one). Make sure to make it self-moderated and discuss with someone else prior. <- This is an example of something that a spammer is very unlikely going to do for the forum. They are likely going to respond to the thread with "Thank you, now I impruv my posting quality.".I'll think out something that can be helpful and allow suggestions to be included in the thread to make it even better.
Looks like Lauda has been going strong with cleaning up the Bitmixer campaign. If that means that I get banned as well, then it is what it is. But it's a good effort to keep the forum clean.
You won't be banned, as you don't fit the criteria. You are going to be evaluated again in Round two which is tomorrow. I've also suggested a extensive BAN list from this cleanup to the forum administration. Whether they will take action on it or not, is not up to me. As stated in the post, this should be taken as a warning sign that flags your posting behavior as bad (hence it needed thorough improvement).It seems that I turned right in the end.
It is only effective if they have nowhere to run to. However, I can say that this campaign was among the worst if not the worst regarding farmed accounts and spammers (I've learned a lot during my examination of the users).Ironically, the most spammy service across the forum hired the most strict moderator to get rid of spammers.
That may be debatable, but I do like that title. 
Looks like Lauda has been going strong with cleaning up the Bitmixer campaign. If that means that I get banned as well, then it is what it is. But it's a good effort to keep the forum clean.
You won't get banned. At worst, you will just get kicked from the campaign
I've already mentioned this at least once. Imagine a crime where 3 entities are involved, and only 1 always gets punished for it. That's what has been going on BTCT for a while (albeit even less effectively in 2016). What should be done is, punish everyone involved:
1) Ban the spammers themselves.
2) Ban the managers.
3) Ban the service.
If the service does not care about the spam, then it should not be allowed any kind of back-linking from BTCT period
1) Ban the spammers themselves.
2) Ban the managers.
3) Ban the service.
If the service does not care about the spam, then it should not be allowed any kind of back-linking from BTCT period
Even if all they care for is only exposure, this still doesn't mean that they are deliberately encouraging spammers. I think that any service would prefer good posters to spammy ones. There may be just not enough good posters currently looking for participation or the payment is too low that only compulsive spammers get attracted by such a campaign. But in any case, it is a campaign manager who first agrees to manage a signature campaign for the service and then indiscriminately accepts participants into it...
Therefore, the campaign managers are the ones who should be dealt with and where it will be most effective
It seems that I turned right in the end. Ironically, the most spammy service across the forum that was first in line to get banned has hired the most strict moderator here to get rid of spammers. Who could ever think of anything like that just a day ago? In short, you never know. On the other hand, I've seen a lot of Russian posters wearing the Bitmixer signature, and I'm curious how she is going to deal with them...
After all, they might kick her down themselves
Looks like Lauda has been going strong with cleaning up the Bitmixer campaign. If that means that I get banned as well, then it is what it is. But it's a good effort to keep the forum clean.
And by the way I have seen people talking to their alts in the same thread quoting their own posts and speaking as if they were 2 different persons. There are some real nut jobs on this forum and before the whole thing goes to shit something radical must be done. I haven't seen anything like this on other forums. I guess the incentive to gain more coins is pushing people in the abnormal behavior. Greed is bad okay?
You can report them. If it's proven that they're just one person talking to himself for signature earning I'm sure the mods will do something about it.
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Hm. Looks like bitmixer's campaign is restarting under Lauda's management.
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