Locking the thread now since the project has been canceled.
Thank you to those who showed interest as well as to those who offered constructive criticism.
Best,
Frank
Topic: [Project Canceled] 'AN VERITAS, AN NIHIL' - Canceled. (Read 1106 times)
If you thought that we created this artwork, that was your own assumption. I clearly stated who's work it was and that we were wanting to offer it onto a coin. Plenty of 'due diligence' was done.
You were not the reason we canceled the project. We were already considering canceling it prior to your comment. It's fairly difficult to move forward with minting a coin with only 20 reservations (for a coin to be minted at a quantity of 75). But you are probably already aware of this. Right?
There's no reason to go on and on.
You didn't like the idea of putting this art onto a coin. I get it.
Some people did like the idea.
At the end of the day, we decided not to move forward with the project. Now you're going to continue on and act as I've we've misrepresented something in this thread when, in reality, we never did.
I don't need to cite wikipedia pages for the artist lol. I gave his name - hence why you were able to find it.
You were not the reason we canceled the project. We were already considering canceling it prior to your comment. It's fairly difficult to move forward with minting a coin with only 20 reservations (for a coin to be minted at a quantity of 75). But you are probably already aware of this. Right?
There's no reason to go on and on.
You didn't like the idea of putting this art onto a coin. I get it.
Some people did like the idea.
At the end of the day, we decided not to move forward with the project. Now you're going to continue on and act as I've we've misrepresented something in this thread when, in reality, we never did.
I don't need to cite wikipedia pages for the artist lol. I gave his name - hence why you were able to find it.
You're right.. you dont need to but as an artist you'd think you would have enough respect for someone that led the way for you to be able to do what you do today. Anyway I'm done with you. Going to commission one of these cancelled pieces to be done by killyou72 and his dremel.
If you thought that we created this artwork, that was your own assumption. I clearly stated who's work it was and that we were wanting to offer it onto a coin. Plenty of 'due diligence' was done.
You were not the reason we canceled the project. We were already considering canceling it prior to your comment. It's fairly difficult to move forward with minting a coin with only 20 reservations (for a coin to be minted at a quantity of 75). But you are probably already aware of this. Right?
There's no reason to go on and on.
You didn't like the idea of putting this art onto a coin. I get it.
Some people did like the idea.
At the end of the day, we decided not to move forward with the project. Now you're going to continue on and act as I've we've misrepresented something in this thread when, in reality, we never did.
I don't need to cite wikipedia pages for the artist lol. I gave his name - hence why you were able to find it.
You were not the reason we canceled the project. We were already considering canceling it prior to your comment. It's fairly difficult to move forward with minting a coin with only 20 reservations (for a coin to be minted at a quantity of 75). But you are probably already aware of this. Right?
There's no reason to go on and on.
You didn't like the idea of putting this art onto a coin. I get it.
Some people did like the idea.
At the end of the day, we decided not to move forward with the project. Now you're going to continue on and act as I've we've misrepresented something in this thread when, in reality, we never did.
I don't need to cite wikipedia pages for the artist lol. I gave his name - hence why you were able to find it.
Nice catch @teeGUMES! Here is a combined collage to make the comparison easier:
If anyone is photoshop skilled I would like to see the two images I pulled from google images turned greyscale to see just how similar it is to the coin mockup.
I wouldn't have continued on this path but reading the bullshit "this is artistry" post made by frankbitcoin it further piqued my interest.
Nevermind found those on google aswell. Just trying to wrap my head around your earlier reply and bolded points below. Transparency is all we ask from coinmakers on this forum, you cant really pull the wool over our eyes here. A lot of us have been in the game for a lot longer than you think.
You're right that it was not a "catch".. rather nobody actually thought that you took the EXACT art and just combined it with some text and considered it worth $800-$900 USD.
You should have provided links to Elihu Vedder's wikipedia page, explained this man a little more to us and had proper links to his paintings. You did not do your due diligence on this piece and this is why you were called out and in the end the project to be cancelled. ( No one straight up was an asshole, we were mainly hinting that your price point is undeserved as a first time coin creator )
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How do you know that we are not taking a loss, as well, on this project?
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the charge for our designer to prepare the artwork
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there's a ton that goes into the cost of this as well as many of our projects - many of which can easily be overlooked when you're not fully aware of the entire cost of said project.
How do you know that we are not taking a loss, as well, on this project?
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the charge for our designer to prepare the artwork
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there's a ton that goes into the cost of this as well as many of our projects - many of which can easily be overlooked when you're not fully aware of the entire cost of said project.
Nice catch @teeGUMES! Here is a combined collage to make the comparison easier:
It's not a 'catch' of anything. It was clearly stated in the original post:
"This coin features artwork that was originally created by Elihu Vedder in 1896. The artwork is on display in the halls of the Library of Congress."
Nice catch @teeGUMES! Here is a combined collage to make the comparison easier:
If anyone is photoshop skilled I would like to see the two images I pulled from google images turned greyscale to see just how similar it is to the coin mockup.
I wouldn't have continued on this path but reading the bullshit "this is artistry" post made by frankbitcoin it further piqued my interest.
Nice catch @teeGUMES! Here is a combined collage to make the comparison easier:
Hi Frank
You gave it a try and it didn't quite work out. I do think the purchase price was a little bit high and the design wasn't quite in the crypto ballpark but, if it's a passion just keep trying, all the best
D
You gave it a try and it didn't quite work out. I do think the purchase price was a little bit high and the design wasn't quite in the crypto ballpark but, if it's a passion just keep trying, all the best
D
Thank you. We will see what the future holds.
Best,
Frank
Frank, while the feedback here may seem harsh, I hope you keep coming back with more releases. The community here can be very vocal and critical, but that's because there are so many copycats and scammers in the crypto world and we've all been burned. There is a hyper awareness to anything that might be "off" because these coins may one day be holding millions of dollars in value. There is such a ridiculous degree of trust involved in crypto that every aspect of these products will be scrutinized (and it doesn't matter whether you made the keys, whether they intended to be funded ,etc).
It seems you have taken the criticism well and so I hope to see you back here with more interesting releases
It seems you have taken the criticism well and so I hope to see you back here with more interesting releases
I really do appreciate that. Thank you for taking the time to share all of your positive thoughts.
Hi Frank
You gave it a try and it didn't quite work out. I do think the purchase price was a little bit high and the design wasn't quite in the crypto ballpark but, if it's a passion just keep trying, all the best
D
You gave it a try and it didn't quite work out. I do think the purchase price was a little bit high and the design wasn't quite in the crypto ballpark but, if it's a passion just keep trying, all the best
D
I'm sorry I think we all jumped on the bandwagon here,
Frank, while the feedback here may seem harsh, I hope you keep coming back with more releases. The community here can be very vocal and critical, but that's because there are so many copycats and scammers in the crypto world and we've all been burned. There is a hyper awareness to anything that might be "off" because these coins may one day be holding millions of dollars in value. There is such a ridiculous degree of trust involved in crypto that every aspect of these products will be scrutinized (and it doesn't matter whether you made the keys, whether they intended to be funded ,etc).
It seems you have taken the criticism well and so I hope to see you back here with more interesting releases
It seems you have taken the criticism well and so I hope to see you back here with more interesting releases
Based on insufficient reservations within the first few days of release, we have decided to cancel this project.
Any project can and will receive both positive, and negative, reaction(s), unfortunately.
If you have made a reservation, our apologies; please DO NOT send payment. Anyone who has paid (which is only one person, Stacy), will be contacted and refunded immediately.
Any project can and will receive both positive, and negative, reaction(s), unfortunately.
If you have made a reservation, our apologies; please DO NOT send payment. Anyone who has paid (which is only one person, Stacy), will be contacted and refunded immediately.
So after "several, several months" of work you decide to cancel based on lack of reservations in only the first few days? Not to mention that you already had 18 reservations.
Doesn't seem like that much work went into this project if you'd cancel so quickly.
Based on insufficient reservations within the first few days of release, we have decided to cancel this project.
Any project can and will receive both positive, and negative, reaction(s), unfortunately.
If you have made a reservation, our apologies; please DO NOT send payment. Anyone who has paid (which is only one person, Stacy), will be contacted and refunded immediately.
Any project can and will receive both positive, and negative, reaction(s), unfortunately.
If you have made a reservation, our apologies; please DO NOT send payment. Anyone who has paid (which is only one person, Stacy), will be contacted and refunded immediately.
Frank, I have purchased your works before and have missed out on many - but I finally feel I have to say something. you are on a money grab and it isnt cool at all.
This coin is not original and If I were natty I would feel a little ripped off, not only do you churn out artworks 10 to the dozen but now you are making coins, I can see you becoming the next F*D.
I will not be buying this or any other of your works moving forwards.
This coin is not original and If I were natty I would feel a little ripped off, not only do you churn out artworks 10 to the dozen but now you are making coins, I can see you becoming the next F*D.
I will not be buying this or any other of your works moving forwards.
We employee 10 artists. So yes, we usually always have something new in the works. That only makes sense for a group of artists who have been working in the art field for many years.
We decided to make this piece because we legitimately thought it was an awesome contribution to the crypto community.
I don't see a problem with creating a variety of art pieces for a variety of different crypto pieces. It's all been well received. I'm not on a 'money grab', that was not our intention. You have absolutely no idea what goes on behind the scenes of our business. I don't think it's dignified for you to make assumptions.
Unreserve #6 please
Frank, I have purchased your works before and have missed out on many - but I finally feel I have to say something. you are on a money grab and it isnt cool at all.
This coin is not original and If I were natty I would feel a little ripped off, not only do you churn out artworks 10 to the dozen but now you are making coins, I can see you becoming the next F*D.
I will not be buying this or any other of your works moving forwards.
This coin is not original and If I were natty I would feel a little ripped off, not only do you churn out artworks 10 to the dozen but now you are making coins, I can see you becoming the next F*D.
I will not be buying this or any other of your works moving forwards.
Many of us know the inherent costs of minting a coin and all extras that go with it....
If you are loosing money on a 5oz silver coin while charging 0.1BTC for it, you are doing something extreeeeeeeemly wrong on your end.
To believe that the profitability margin isn't ridiculous would be ridiculous. If you are loosing money on a 5oz silver coin while charging 0.1BTC for it, you are doing something extreeeeeeeemly wrong on your end.
The coin looks nice, but that price warrants some more of the fine ol' silver.But we thought it would be really neat to incorporate Vedder's work into a physical coin. It has never been done before and we personally appreciate what Vedder portrayed. We really liked his philosophical concepts and his presentation. And we figured his work would be much appreciated on a coin.
*physical BitcoinJust my 2 satoshi
Where are mantoshis? 
Hi Frank,
13, 33, 66
thanks
13, 33, 66
thanks
But we thought it would be really neat to incorporate Vedder's work into a physical coin. It has never been done before and we personally appreciate what Vedder portrayed. We really liked his philosophical concepts and his presentation. And we figured his work would be much appreciated on a coin.
There has never been an artwork by Elihu Vedder on a coin before?(Medal for Columbian Exposition, for the 400th Anniversary for the Landing of Columbus, October 21, 1892; Bronze with brown patina; 2-1/2 inches or 6.4 cm diameter)
Sounds an awful lot like a coin to me.
[Reference to the original drawing by Vedder at the National Gallery of Art in Washington, DC]
Another one with the same artwork was done the following year:
And those weren't only these two single/named pieces pictured above, they also had public sales of silver coins/medals with this artwork.
100 years later (in 1992), the United States Pavilion released a Commemorative bronze medal with the same design once again:
*physical Bitcoin
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