Topic: Prolonged border closure (Read 350 times)

I don't think there will be total closure as the economy will really fall down like very hard. There are still transport of important goods across the borders. If they will not permit such movement of goods, many will really starve as there are a lot of areas that are depending on the supply from other regions and vice versa. Prolonged border closure is not the solution on this pandemic. With the progress on the vaccine trial done by Moderna, I think we are in the direction of slowly opening the economic trade.

https://www.businessinsider.com/moderna-coronavirus-vaccine-releases-first-human-trial-results-2020-5

People who are working abroad are allowed to travel, but it's quite difficult without plane flights.
Though, my friend travelled to Germany by feryy, then by car to Netherlands. And he didn't even had to spend 14 in quarantine - he started to work next day after arrival.
Obviously, borders aren't closed for important and export - it would cause complete collapse of economy which is already hurt seriously. Trucks with good are moving as usual between countries as usual.
Closed borders now mainly affect tourism sector - airline companies, tourism agencies, hotels and etc.

Main problem here are the people who are working abroad as their main source of income. If they cannot go back to their work abroad, then that's going to be a big big issue.

What a mess.

Well, Russia doesn't accept any foreigner in, so I can't travel to meet her, while I'm in the EU which doesn't accept people from outside the Shenghen area. So we both can travel to each other's place. We've met in Latvia before, but it's closed to foreigners at this time, so there are no easy solutions...

Russia is sealed off due to Covid?

Yes, thanks for advice, I've been waiting quite a lot already, but I shall wait a bit more, as I'm getting contradictory information about a border I had plan to cross (I'm in western Europe, traveling by car). Besides, I'm still separated from my girlfriend who's in Russia. They don't let any foreigners in, and she can't visit me...

Maybe just wait?

Things are getting a bit better, I shall try to cross 2 borders within the next few days. I just hope everything will go smoothly, because as of today I'm getting information that I won't be able to return. Very difficult times for travelers like me...

the ghost flights is not about the bailout. but about keeping their 'slots' reserved. as they cost millions if lost.
they WERE told that unless they fly X% of flights they will lose the slots
but then the WHO declared pandemic and the aviation authority relaxed the ghost flight requirement.

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separately although flightcrew are paid 'payroll grants' the airline still has to pay terminal fee's and plane parking charges. which are not covered be any government grants.
meaning airlines are stil losing money just for having planes parked up

in the UK both BA and Virgin flights want to stop using gatwick airport because gatwick are excessively charging them fee's just to park up the planes and have a ticketbooth at the terminal

but because many of the flight captains and cabin crew have homes in the gatwick area, its easier to sack the gatwick crews and instead employ more crew at other airports that are not over charging.
most of the job losses is baggage handlers, ticket staff, and those who are based in the terminal.
only a few in comparison are actual flight crew(only ones that live in that area)

Pretty sure a good amount of federal money (In the US) being given to the airline industry is contingent on them not cancelling mass amounts of flights. That's not to say they're not allowed to cancel flights at all, because they are allowed to do so, but they can't cancel flights without following the guidelines that they've accepted when they're taking large amounts of payroll grants from the treasury.

Here ya go - https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-airlines-bailout-empty-flights-requirement-2020-4

Take a read.

the reason for reliance on imports and not making their own is political
governments charging licences/tarrifs/taxes for making locally. but awarding credits for not producing

take UK. when in the EU the UK was forced to limit its farming/fishing production because of EU quotas. where it would punish people for making more. but award farmers for not farming and instead doing other stuff.
if you owned farmland. that had a quota of 200 cattle. and you only had 10. you would get rewarded with 190 so that another farm can have more then their quota by paying the cost for the extra

these quota's are a currency in of itself. people buy(fined) or sell(rewarded) their quotas

this is all about not having abundant supply so that they can have an increased demand and cause commodities prices to rise.
its all about limiting production so that wall street can make profits.
its not about not having the physical lack of capability. there is enough land. there are enough unemployed people looking for a job. its just when a farmer earns less than the cost of rearing cows. and gets fined for raising more cows than allowed. but gets compensated if he has less cows than allowed. meaning he earns more for having less produce..
which is the cause of less local produce

the EU buys quotas so that the EU can produce more while the UK produces less

if farmers are allowed to just farm and produce as much meat as they like and sell it at the value of its cost. then farmers would not need to convert to 'airbnb' hospitality to survive. and grocery stores would not have to rely on imported meats

The Global economy relies a lot at exports.
And the tourism industry is one of those that are going to suffer the most if the borders are going to close. 1-2 years are already too much. There are so many countries that have a huge portion of their GDP based on the tourism sector.

Its the worst for those that survive from tourism, but for the rest its usually just people that get denied entry. Fuel and foods will continue moving across most borders, and those will probably be subjected to cleaning and quarantine measures.

For the most part i think countries that start relaxing their forced isolation, will start doing it while leaving their borders closed. And when they start relaxing border closures, they will probably deny people coming from the countries with the most cases where the virus is out of control ie: USA.

World economy is of course hurt the worst and its reflected in the markets. In the meantime bitcoin is performing fine as expected.

Majority of the countries relies to other countries for their basic needs like oil, rice and flour, countries will suffer if the border and the trade in are close, of course some big city also relies revenues coming from tourist, so it's going to be a big blow for them if every country close their borders, we cannot last this long, because we need each other help.

Guys, there's one thing I don't understand. If almost all borders are closed, who are all these flights carrying https://flightaware.com/live? It's not like they're gonna fly empty and burn fuel for nothing.

It's pretty easy to imagine. I'm in a small studio where I was supposed to stay only a month, but I've been there more 3 months. I can't go to my houses, I can't visit my girlfriend, and she can't visit me. So border closures are really painful...

imagine wanting just a 2 week vacation but being told you will have to remain in the destination countries hotel room for 2 weeks and no touring the area

what i see is that flights will still go.
thus 'legally' the borders be open.

but even if the planes still fly and the airports are open..
the destination restricts movement when you get there, thus ruining your vacation if you did go.
thus forcing people to cancel their flights at their own cost because its not the airlines fault

i have totally written off this whole year of travel.

Border closures is real drama!
There are lots of people like me who are nomads, and who travel all the time.
I've been staying in the same f*cking country for nearly 3 months, that hadn't happened to me for more than 15 years!

Besides, I own 2 houses in 2 different countries where I can't travel to, because they've closed their borders...

Sad times.

Ah, this is about freedom of movement instead of just the physical borders. Got it, just wanted to make sure that that is what you were talking about here.

I think this is an extraordinary circumstance where it does make a good deal of sense to deal with these temporary restrictions to ensure the health of everyone in the society. I know that many aren't going to agree with this, and people do think that government is going to grow in power b/c of this (I agree with that) -- but I'd rather have to stay inside for a bit longer rather then have more people die. But that's just me, I know many are going to disagree.