Topic: "Proof of Human" Coin ? - page 3. (Read 3898 times)

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Eventually maybe people will perfect their scripts to a point where they only need human intervention when some other human screws around with them (killing their workers maybe or whatever) but it will take a lot of work on your triggers/scripts to get to that point, so far most people are still finding they need to manually intervene with at least some of their workers each day to get them back "on script", so it pretty much is a kind of "check a human is there".

The fact that the workers can interfere with each other (like you could load up a guy with armour and weapons and go killing "enemy" workers who are within the range of levels in which player versus player combat is allowed, for example) kind of means that players who do bother to manually take part have methods by which they can in effect penalise other players who do rely entirely on scripts and do not check regularly that all their workers are still "on script" working successfully and productively.

So it is a system that pretty much lets players make up their own problems for other players to solve.

Since you could probably run hundreds of workers from just one fairly old single-CPU machine, there is not likely to be much advantage to supercomputers nor even to botnets for a long time; and by the time people get their triggers and scripts to such a highly developed capability chances are other players will also have much better strategies worked out for interfering with scripted workers who are not being monitored and put back on course by a human regularly. So it is looking pretty good so far.

-MarkM-

@Praxis:
I can't agree what are you stated here.
Here is an example:
Imagine that you work in car factory assembling car parts and you get paid for this.
Let say person X invents a robot that does the same job you do but it can do it 24/7 and
faster then you. Then the investor (factory owner) will pay to person "X" bigger
amount of money to buy the robot.
Person "X"  will becomes RICHER , the investor (factory owner) will also become richer soon
but what will you become in this case?!

Did the innovation help everyone?!

But of course, it is a BITCOIN forum

Ba-zing!   I jest I jest...

Some fundamental misunderstanding of economics here.

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I really hope you're a teen because that's the only excuse for saying something like that.
No, economy is NOT a zero-sum game.

If X person invents a new technology and gets rich from it, nobody got "poorer".
THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE: everyone gets RICHER because the innovation helps everyone

hm, maybe have it work like this?

Person A makes up a question

"What's 5 times 2?"

It sends it to all other miners, you are allowed one attempt per minute (using traditional mining targets)

Then sends it to all other miners to verify it is correct, if a miner disagrees (lets say you type 12) it ignores it.

After getting the answer, you hash it again and try to  get lower than another target, if you do, you find a block and submit another question.

There are a million flaws to this idea, but that's all I can think of for the basic concept. It seems really hard to figure out a way to make it decentralized and cheat proof. But I concur with previous arguments, the concept itself seems flawed.

As for the whole, it's not fair and the poorer get poorer and the richer get richer, cry me a river. Wealth IS created. The fiat money that people use is just a placeholder for things people actually need, aka wealth.

Kind of confused as to how this would work...

no-one forces u to buy or sell stuff, at least legally 99.999% of the time

Good idea in theory but if you truly want a coin that is used as currency you have to design an inflationary one, otherwise people will hoard them.  I am still yet to see someone do this, all the coins I've seen are deflationary and this is not what you want in a currency.

OK U HAVE UNLEASED THE WRATH OF THE ECONOMICS GOD WITH THAT STATEMENT


say u were in the wild west, during the gold rush, if you find a an ounce of gold, who loses wealth in this situation?
if the moon was claimed as land who loses wealth in that?
if you find an oil well and set up a mining operation who loses wealth? the people who work for u? your suppliers? the construction crew? no in exchange for services they get money from the NEW oil
ITS CALLED CREATING WEALTH

As to collecting drinking water dont act like its coming out of some public pool, at least if your talking commercial enterprises, they collect it off their own land or with permission from the land owner(most likely who gets a cut of it) therefore THEY OWN IT ALREADY its simply a matter of collecting it

There is a simple principal in economics, people don't do things that cause them to lose wealth (as a collection of net worth) unless they gain happieness from it. This collective self interest causes people to create wealth or work for it (in effect creating value of something with there time).

This has been a public service announcement by the economics god

How about not using crypto currencies at all and continue being "legally" robbed from banks, goverments and big companies???

we could do that too, but here we are now...


No, THATS HOW (THIS) ECONOMY SUCKS like 2100 years now, and most people learn to be used to it!!

Not me.. TY

Snaider.

That's kind of how economies work.  If I pay you for an apple, then you get richer and I get poorer.   

How about a coin that has blocks that have to be solved on paper?

Nothing wrong with that. BUT in this life, EVERY TIME some1 becomes richer some1 else becomes poorer. When you mesure wealth with countable things like land, gold, oil or bitcoins THATS HAPPENING.
And when there is no more land or gold to collect, you start collecting drinking water and maybe someday breathing air.

Snaider.


Edit,
..Couldnt help it..

More often "legal" is the way of the rich people fucks with poor people life.

I think it's a silly wasteful idea. The mining hardware and electricity are already  made by humans, I would rather see them continue doing what they are good at which benefits society in general, than the formation of underpaid sweat shops to do mindless captcha entries.

i think human interaction is the critical point here.
A captca, a stupid pass phrase, a simple mathimatical calc, what color is the water? something that verifies you still there, and it will only continue mining or submit a share or verify a found block (that become orphan after X minutes).
Something that would prevent people from having mining farms. In fact maybe you could still have a farm but you could need to hire people to do the job and you could pay them with the coin you mine

What's wrong with the rich becoming richer?  If the rich want to invest their money and make more of it, so be it... as long as they do it legally.

The rich could also pay another person (or many people) for their 24 hours a day - would that not be the same difference as paying for a large number of GPU miners?

Instead of annoying captchas couldn't you instead design the coin so that everyone mines at the same speed regardless of hardware? Instamining wouldn't be a problem and there would be no huge dumps from mining farms when the coins hits an exchange, leading to a stable exchange rate. You could have random special blocks worth 2-3 times the normal block reward to keep people mining. I think a coin designed this way would function well as a currency. If I had any coding skills I'd try making a coin around this idea as an experiment.

I had this idea before too!