Proposal for AI Integration with BitcoinTalk forum

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Quote from: RocketSingh on April 30, 2023, 02:19:59 PM

Predicting market trends and identifying potential price movements based on sentiment analysis of the forum's discussions
Detecting and filtering out spam and fraudulent activity on the forum
Providing personalized recommendations and content to users based on their activity and interests
Generating insights and reports for traders, investors, and other cryptocurrency enthusiasts

A'ight bro, admittedly I don't know much about AI but I strongly suspect it isn't going to do any of the above. You're assuming that there's some kind of correlation between....some kind of forum discussion....with market movements, and there's no data on that that I've seen, ever.

And filtering out spam and shit like that? I'm afraid AI is going to give these non-English speaking bounty spammers a serious advantage by allowing them to create posts they normally wouldn't be able to write.

I've been meaning to post in this thread for hours and kept reloading the page as I kept getting distracted; I see you haven't received any merits for your post, and I was kind of expecting that. And now I shall have to read the opinions from members who know way more about AI and its potential application to bitcointalk. I'm not sure that it'll have any, though I expect it to be abused if it's able to be abused. There's so much shadiness 'round here, and I don't think there's a good remedy for that.

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Quote from: RocketSingh on April 30, 2023, 02:19:59 PM

However, the vast amount of information on the BitcoinTalk forum can be overwhelming and difficult to navigate, especially for new users. This is where AI comes in. By integrating AI technology, we can create a more user-friendly experience for both new and existing users.

If the signature campaigns on the forum kicked against the use of AI in posting for it participant and the forum itself is not in support of using it either then why should we encourage it, alot of people are creating thread on this discussion but no more indication that it may have more chances for taking hold here on the forum, there's no big deal in searching through the forum for any information needed or navigating it being a difficult task, rather AI will render the use of the forum search button less effective except if the AI was the one created by the forum admin himself to help make things easier, if not it's never a good idea to use or adopt any AI vy any chance to the forum.

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Quote from: NotATether on May 04, 2023, 03:02:36 AM

I don't know about you but if you have ever uploaded any Youtube video, you'll see in the Creator Studio that Youtube clearly says "tags have a minimal effect on helping others find your video", and I imagine that would be the case for the majority of blogs as well. That is, the ones that choose to utilize tags in the first place.

How does this have anything to do with AI though?

I'm curious if he's really click the tags in Youtube Grin

I think tags is helpful in Twitter because someone tweet can become popular due to tags usage, not in Youtube. This forum, I don't think it will work many members already fine with the current interface and feature, they're prefer just google some keyword they interested and add Bitcointalk to make you find the thread you're interested/searched.

Yeah, tags is just a structured data and not related with AI, tags isn't a machine learning. I think most people think anything in digital is AI.

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Quote from: RocketSingh on April 30, 2023, 02:19:59 PM

However, the vast amount of information on the BitcoinTalk forum can be overwhelming and difficult to navigate, especially for new users. This is where AI comes in. By integrating AI technology, we can create a more user-friendly experience for both new and existing users.

The proposed project aims to use AI algorithms to analyze and categorize the forum's data, allowing users to easily search and find information on specific topics.

So in regards to this point, I have a suggestion to make that how about if "Theymos" could make provision for "tags" for each content created on the forum, because just as we currently have spot for only "Title and Body of the contents", if tags can be added it will make it easy for people to search for such contents on the forum and see it, just as it's applicable on Youtube and blogs, whereby making it very easy for people to search on Google and can easily find whichever content they may be looking for. If the forum can implement "tags" (space for content related keywords), it will also be an added advantage.

I don't know about you but if you have ever uploaded any Youtube video, you'll see in the Creator Studio that Youtube clearly says "tags have a minimal effect on helping others find your video", and I imagine that would be the case for the majority of blogs as well. That is, the ones that choose to utilize tags in the first place.

How does this have anything to do with AI though?

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Quote from: Stalker22 on May 02, 2023, 03:53:56 PM

Although the general idea seems sound, I see certain issues with its practical implementation. Specifically, the question of who will be responsible for assigning tags to posts, and how we will ensure their accuracy if the authors themselves are responsible for tagging their content.

In my experience, users tend not to care about or even notice things like tagging conventions and structure; they just want the content to be visible. I think that if we are going to rely on authors to tag their own content, we will end up with inconsistent tagging and poor search results. I also find it difficult to believe that we will be able to enforce the policy consistently.

Yes, I agree with you that it could lead to poor tagging from those forum members who has no knowledge what tagging is all about, how it's been done and factors that determines the use of certain tags/keywords in a particular content. But with time, when they learn how to use it, they will all get use to it.
However, I think a perfect solution to this will be if authors are made to add tags to their content, while moderators modify the tags, by adding the right tags that will make it visible for search.

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Quote from: RocketSingh on April 30, 2023, 02:19:59 PM

Bitcoin community's sentiment and trends.

Some potential applications of the AI could include:

Predicting market trends and identifying potential price movements based on sentiment analysis of the forum's discussions
Detecting and filtering out spam and fraudulent activity on the forum
Providing personalized recommendations and content to users based on their activity and interests
Generating insights and reports for traders, investors, and other cryptocurrency enthusiasts

Lately, there have been a lot of members creating posts with AIs, and the forum is not well pleased with that approach, so this idea is not something that can really be considered, although it would have been helpful if integrated, but again, there could be some disadvantages to it in the future. So it's better to allow the forum to operate in the old way it already does; I think people are already used to the forum and how things work around here. There is the search button, and there is good guidance for newbies on how to search effectively. Also, newbies who really need some help can start a new topic or discussion in the appropriate board, and they will really get the answers they want. It's just my opinion.

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Quote from: CryptoHeadlineNews on May 02, 2023, 02:48:30 PM

Quote from: RocketSingh on April 30, 2023, 02:19:59 PM

However, the vast amount of information on the BitcoinTalk forum can be overwhelming and difficult to navigate, especially for new users. This is where AI comes in. By integrating AI technology, we can create a more user-friendly experience for both new and existing users.

The proposed project aims to use AI algorithms to analyze and categorize the forum's data, allowing users to easily search and find information on specific topics.

So in regards to this point, I have a suggestion to make that how about if "Theymos" could make provision for "tags" for each content created on the forum, because just as we currently have spot for only "Title and Body of the contents", if tags can be added it will make it easy for people to search for such contents on the forum and see it, just as it's applicable on Youtube and blogs, whereby making it very easy for people to search on Google and can easily find whichever content they may be looking for. If the forum can implement "tags" (space for content related keywords), it will also be an added advantage.

Although the general idea seems sound, I see certain issues with its practical implementation. Specifically, the question of who will be responsible for assigning tags to posts, and how we will ensure their accuracy if the authors themselves are responsible for tagging their content.

In my experience, users tend not to care about or even notice things like tagging conventions and structure; they just want the content to be visible. I think that if we are going to rely on authors to tag their own content, we will end up with inconsistent tagging and poor search results. I also find it difficult to believe that we will be able to enforce the policy consistently.

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If It wanted for some artificial intelligence to analyze what I send and talk about around here, then I would just participate on Twitter, Facebook or Instagram. Also, after taking a look at this thread and the fact that it seems this proposal seemed to have been created through artificial intelligence, for now I would only agree if the forum implemented artificial intelligence or an algorithm to scan each post and tag those very likely produced artificially and not manually typed. Tongue

I am sure some people (specially the campaign managers) would greatly appreciate such step forward.

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Quote from: RocketSingh on April 30, 2023, 02:19:59 PM

However, the vast amount of information on the BitcoinTalk forum can be overwhelming and difficult to navigate, especially for new users. This is where AI comes in. By integrating AI technology, we can create a more user-friendly experience for both new and existing users.

The proposed project aims to use AI algorithms to analyze and categorize the forum's data, allowing users to easily search and find information on specific topics.

So in regards to this point, I have a suggestion to make that how about if "Theymos" could make provision for "tags" for each content created on the forum, because just as we currently have spot for only "Title and Body of the contents", if tags can be added it will make it easy for people to search for such contents on the forum and see it, just as it's applicable on Youtube and blogs, whereby making it very easy for people to search on Google and can easily find whichever content they may be looking for. If the forum can implement "tags" (space for content related keywords), it will also be an added advantage.

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Quote from: NotATether on May 02, 2023, 02:12:41 AM

Pikachus dining on top of an Eiffel Tower

Well you can't exactly dine on the top of the Eiffel Tower as its pointy

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Quote from: RocketSingh on April 30, 2023, 02:19:59 PM

Overall, the integration of AI technology with the BitcoinTalk forum has the potential to greatly improve the user experience and enhance the community's ability to share knowledge and insights. I would love to hear your thoughts on this proposal and any ideas you may have for its implementation.

There's a possibility that AI moderation can be integrated for moderation purposes but I doubt if the SMF team will develop a package that will integrate AI for daily forum activities, forums are created for direct human interaction anything less than that is considered spam.
in fact, they have a lot of software packages to fight bots or AI to interfere or take part in discussions, forum developers will maintain that they want human participants on their platform.

I used to have a forum and the last thing I want is AI or bots using my platforms even if they promised to enhance that content, let's leave forums to humans, we don't want a perfect platform run by AI I still want to see people argue, questioning one another something AI cannot bring in a discussion platform.

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Quote from: RocketSingh on April 30, 2023, 02:19:59 PM

Providing personalized recommendations and content to users based on their activity and interests

What I don't understand is this, it makes me believe the thread was made by AI. Members know their interest boards and wouldn't need any recommendations, sounds like we're on twitter where it's hard to navigate every content on the app. The forum is arranged in boards for members to easily ignore or utilize any content based on their activity. I don't think AI would achieve that for members unless through PM, a bigger red flag. What's the essence of visiting a board if AI, eliminating other topics, chooses the thread it feels would be nice for me? Basically it'll winnow out threads with little or no conversations.

Quote from: RocketSingh on April 30, 2023, 02:19:59 PM

Detecting and filtering out spam and fraudulent activity on the forum

AI will see human written contents as spam and read AI generated contents as quality. Leaving the forum moderation in the hands of bots, is not a good idea. Members devote themselves to keep the forum clean and it's been perfect without any alteration; nothing changed, same process. The AI wouldn't work like humans and they'll be lots of complains from people who their contents were filtered out by the bot, and the bot won't be on the meta board to defend why it removed the content. But, users here give reasons why they reported a content as spam, can the AI give us unique reasons?

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Quote from: smyslov on May 01, 2023, 05:01:18 PM

Based on Nutilda's assessment this post by OP is an AI-generated post I could have voted for AI to be included here in Bitcointalk if a human recommended it based on his opinion and assessment of course AI will create very compelling reasons that's what AI does, we will stop thinking how good human in terms of analyzing prices and predictions if we allow AI to rule this forum.

We don't need this AI as we are not interested in drawing textual descriptions of Pikachus dining on top of an Eiffel Tower or any other miscellaneous not-so-useful chatting services that Big Tech thinks we need more of. I'm already building a Robocop, anyway.

Most GPT chatbots are research previews anyway, and it's best to treat the technology as such and not use it for anything highly important at this stage.

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Quote from: RocketSingh on April 30, 2023, 02:19:59 PM

Overall, the integration of AI technology with the BitcoinTalk forum has the potential to greatly improve the user experience and enhance the community's ability to share knowledge and insights. I would love to hear your thoughts on this proposal and any ideas you may have for its implementation.

Based on Nutilda's assessment this post by OP is an AI-generated post I could have voted for AI to be included here in Bitcointalk if a human recommended it based on his opinion and assessment of course AI will create very compelling reasons that's what AI does, we will stop thinking how good human in terms of analyzing prices and predictions if we allow AI to rule this forum.

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Quote from: nutildah on May 01, 2023, 09:17:23 AM

With regards to the idea itself:

To be fair to you, this is probably your worst post ever Cheesy

Something more than worst...
I don't know where the idea came from. At the point the forum is battling how to curtail the excesses of AI usage in the forum, someone is proposing a community where bots and humans will compete

How about a bigger NO!

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Quote from: RocketSingh on April 30, 2023, 02:19:59 PM

Cmon man is this a joke? With regards to your post:

Was this a plea for merits or else why would you bother? Its so sterile its hard to read from start to finish, just knowing its computer-generated gibberish.

With regards to the idea itself:

To be fair to you, this is probably your worst post ever Cheesy

meaning you haven't made a habit out of AI posting, unlike one previous poster in this thread (I'll leave it up to you guys to figure out which one).

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- For my view and opinion, this forum doesn't need the AI system anymore. The bitcointalk platform has lasted almost 1 decades without AI, why is that still necessary?

Also, assuming that AI will be integrated into this platform, even if it is known that it will not happen. It will come out that the communities here will be lazy to think mostly because they will just rely on AI that the individual should be the one to do. The other community members will no longer research in a natural way because they will think that there is AI, so the growth of the maturity of each community will instead of increasing what will happen will decrease even more, this is the insight that I visualize in the future.

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Quote from: RocketSingh on April 30, 2023, 02:19:59 PM

Overall, the integration of AI technology with the BitcoinTalk forum has the potential to greatly improve the user experience and enhance the community's ability to share knowledge and insights. I would love to hear your thoughts on this proposal and any ideas you may have for its implementation.

I guess it's not really necessary, everything is fine so far. I'm not talking about technology or anything like that, I'm talking about user experience and what this forum has and is bringing. It's perfectly fine, everyone here is fine with these wonderful things.
All previous suggestions, and yours, are being worked on very well by the hard working users of this forum. Everyone is always ready to share knowledge with each other, there are dozens of topics to help people, weekly statistics, cheat,... AI can't do things like them, adding AI is not an optimal solution, but it takes a lot of resources and resources to implement, so why need it?

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Quote from: holydarkness on April 30, 2023, 03:12:08 PM

Quote from: Little Mouse on April 30, 2023, 02:33:03 PM

I'd like to add something on point number 1, which already very well said.

Wouldn't employing an AI to analyze and predict market movement based on forum's discussion mean it'll be more easy to create a hype or PnD? All a trash project need is creating a fake buzz by having a bounty asking the participants to create an enthusiastic post on the forum? Yes, it is against forum's rule to incentivize post, but as they're already here to scam and rugpulling people, I am very much sure they won't mind breaking that forum's rule as well.

The AI won't be able to determine if the discussion is organic or artificial, and voila, the clueless members of this forum get scammed and the scammers get an easier way to run with people's money.

Fake hype can partially be countered by stats of users such as merits, user with good amount of 'earned' merits, his opinion of high value. However, this kind of gets deep, one implemention asks for many measures, so much that it might no longer be feasible to implement in first place.

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Quote from: Nwada001 on April 30, 2023, 02:30:30 PM

Quote from: RocketSingh on April 30, 2023, 02:19:59 PM

I would love to hear your thoughts on this proposal and any ideas you may have for its implementation.

My teachers, I think I will really love things to be done the same old way. The search option is here for us to use and navigate around the forum, and things are being done manually just as they are being done. I think this forum is respected the way it is today because of the way things are being done manually by individuals opinions; everyone shares ideas; problems are being solved from different users experiences and ideas on every particular matter; no machine or AI is involved in gathering information to conclude what is what.

In my opinion, I think the forum is just better off the way it is. There are lots of members here to help show newbies around and correct them if errors are being made. Spam is not moderated, but it is also manually detected with solid proof by members who are here.

I'm with you on this. I dont think we need AI on the forum. Why do some people wany AI
attached to everything. If it keeps going the way they want?

Leave the forum as it is, is it really that difficult to spend a little time searching the forum,
interacting with it?

I think there will be a lot of people in the future who wont be able to do as much for
themselves as can be done now.

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