Proposal For Naija (Nigeria LB) Sub-Boards Creation - page 3.

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Great effort Agbe. Well done.

Quote from: hugeblack on November 07, 2023, 05:14:40 PM

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I have read the back and forth from the arguments of both Nigerians and non-Nigerians alike. In summary, we can agree that

- Although the child boards will not reduce spamming we need it to maintain sanity in the board.
- Secondly, spamming can be controlled and brought to its barest minimum if we have a moderator from the local board. I nominate Agbe for this role.

My thoughts are that we have a better shot getting a moderator from the local board than being granted the child board.

Let's see what Thymos would do.

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Quote from: Igebotz on November 08, 2023, 03:42:05 AM

What the global moderators do is lock up threads with repeated reports, which is not what we want. I can't blame them because you need to understand pidgin English to be able to know what spam is.

Well, in that case won't hurt to create moderator request topic as well. You certainly won't get one until you ask for it so why not, but before that you should also discuss among yourself who would be a good moderator because if theymos gonna approve it, he will ask who you prefer to get that role.

Quote from: Igebotz on November 08, 2023, 03:42:05 AM

Not every LB has multiple child boards and we didn't see the need for altcoins and marketplace sub-boards as most Nigerians aren't interested in rendering services nor are they interested in altcoins.

You know the best which sections you actually need, just seemed weird to ask for two non-bitcoin related topics.

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This request is due and from the point of being one of the most active local boards in the Forum, it makes much of sense if there be a creation of a sub-board to de-congest the main board, and keep the board clean and for easy navigation of topics because from my notice topics get easily buried a few hours after it is published, Therefore with the grant of this request to include politics & society and other discussion into Nigerian Local Board, it definitely in solving the problems and filtering of LB.

@Agbe this is such a great idea and I'm in full support of this request.

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Quote from: iBaba on November 07, 2023, 05:10:21 PM

Quote from: BlackBoss_ on November 07, 2023, 06:06:09 AM

If the board is spam, it will be muted, locked. Locals can continue their spamming before the board is locked.

Use report to report spam posts because it's responsibility of local members who ask for the local board.

The board is in English and global moderators, current moderators who can use English can moderate it. All moderators in Bitcointalk can use English well and all of them can do this.

I think it's a great idea to get local moderators to moderate the board. Despite that the board uses English language as a language, it also uses what we call the Pidgin English. Pidgin English is a lingua franca that is a mixture between English language and other African languages. Pidgin is widely spoken in Africa and every country in the continent has its peculiar style of speaking in Pidgin. For instance, the style in which a Nigerian speak Pidgin English is different from Ghana or Cameroon despite their closeness in borders.

Nigerian Pidgin is blend with other major indigenous tribes in the country such as Hausa, Yoruba and Igbo. So, most at times, it takes an indigenous speaker to understand the conversation between them and communicate. Likewise, it will take a local moderator to be able to effectively monitor the conversations in the board as well as sort the threads in the proposed child boards.

An English moderator is not a bad idea but for a more effective moderation of the board, you need a local or native moderator.

You have spoken well and provided further explanations for better understanding. When it comes to selecting a moderator for a board or sub-board, there are pros and cons to consider. You need to trust who you are selecting and how well they have contributed to the development of the local board. Additionally, it should be someone who is not afraid to speak out, preferably someone with a history of addressing issues they believe are wrong or not handled properly in the local board.

Having a local moderator is more preferable, as you mentioned. The person should be fluent in both good English and African Pidgin and should be able to relate to African culture, beliefs, and a way of life. Time zone is also important. It's best to know the moderator's available hours for moderation.

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Quote from: examplens on November 07, 2023, 05:25:58 AM

Quote from: Agbe on November 07, 2023, 05:02:26 AM

To minimize spams: Since there is no local moderator at the moment, the child board will separate the trash, spamming and unrefined posts from the main board.

I think it would be much more beneficial for you to ask for a local moderator. You have several very active members who, if they are ready to accept responsibility, should perhaps apply for local mod positions.
Merit source applications to reward quality posts more are okay, but spam removal is perhaps more important for maintaining the forum. In the end, it will be easier for you to discuss if your board is spam-free.

it is he who wore the shoes knows where it pinches the most, local board mod is likewise important to this course but in a scale of preference we think the sub-boards comes in first in our request.

There are reputable members in the Naija LB that will be willing and ready to take up the mod responsibility if the chance giving. I have had private discussion with some of our LB members are they appear to show interest in the position.

Quote from: BlackBoss_ on November 07, 2023, 06:06:09 AM

If the board is spam, it will be muted, locked. Locals can continue their spamming before the board is locked.

Use report to report spam posts because it's responsibility of local members who ask for the local board.

The board is in English and global moderators, current moderators who can use English can moderate it. All moderators in Bitcointalk can use English well and all of them can do this.

Your suggestion is not bad but still not good and won't give the desired final solution seek for.

How many mods in the bitcointalk that uses English that have a good understanding of the Naija pidgin? Abi nah ur mout de scratch you wey dey tok okpata.[/list]

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Quote from: Rikafip on November 07, 2023, 02:41:09 PM

Quote from: examplens on November 07, 2023, 05:25:58 AM

I think it would be much more beneficial for you to ask for a local moderator. You have several very active members who, if they are ready to accept responsibility, should perhaps apply for local mod positions.
Merit source applications to reward quality posts more are okay, but spam removal is perhaps more important for maintaining the forum. In the end, it will be easier for you to discuss if your board is spam-free.

I beg to disagree. While global mods can still delete spam (having their onw local mod would be of course better), not having separate child boards is imho more important and should be priority. Imagine if on our local board we don't have child boards and instead everything is crammed in one and if it was 10x as active.

Regarding them getting their own local moderator, it mainly depends on the amount of spam they have there so unless its a real problem, chances of them getting one are not good.

What the global moderators do is lock up threads with repeated reports, which is not what we want. I can't blame them because you need to understand pidgin English to be able to know what spam is. We need a local moderator that is fluent in the language and can go through threads to remove spam. There are many of us who are willing to take on this position, but what we really need right now are child boards because our current situation is similar to what we had on our local thread (before the creation of LB). The level of congestion is extremely high now.

Quote from: Rikafip on November 07, 2023, 02:41:09 PM

While I am glad to see that you started request topic, choice of child boards seem kinda strange to me. Wouldn't it make more sense to put off topic and politics&society into one child board, while asking for some other boards like "altcoins" (once bull market start you can expect increase of intresest in those, or maybe even marketplace if there's enough interest.

Anyway, I hope that you get new child boards as soon as possible since you are one of the most active local boards and you are in a real need for at least a few.

Not every LB has multiple child boards and we didn't see the need for altcoins and marketplace sub-boards as most Nigerians aren't interested in rendering services nor are they interested in altcoins.

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This is a good suggestion and I hope we get a very favorable reply from Theymos. The Nigerian local board has grown tremendously and what the Op is requesting is really important for the board because if there's no sub board for politics and societal discussion and off topic, we'll be forced to see some discussions which are not Bitcoin related but fit somewhere else as off topic.
I remember when @cryptopreneurbrainboss and @igebotz made a vote for how much percentage of politics be discussed but with how much the board grew, some users have forgotten that there's a limit and if you go on that board, you'd find more societal discussions more than the Bitcoin ones and I feel it's pertinent Theymos do something to this end.
For me, if this proposal is granted, asides from giving the board a moderator, it may help reduce the amount of spam on the board and if eventually a mod is given, it reduces his job of having to always check on how much spam is on the board.

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Quote from: Rikafip on November 07, 2023, 03:44:22 PM

That's not necessarily true as almost two years ago we (Croatian local board) got few childs boards, and neither of them were related to Bitcoin. First one was "Off-Topic" and the 2nd one was for altcoin announcement so it was separated from altcoin discussion.

We have a different experience, especially the alternative currencies section. It has become full of ANN and bounty topics. The number of active people in your local council may be limited.

In general, their chances of creating sub-boards related to technical section, wallets, beginners and help are higher than altcoin\off-topic.

Quote from: Nwada001 on November 07, 2023, 04:36:16 PM

Another benefit of this sub-board is that if the local board has its own moderator, it will make work easier for them, and it won't appear as if they are too harsh or not being considerate, as most posts that are not crypto-related and not entirely political and could have been deleted will be easily

I do not remember that there is any local sub-board mod only Russian board have more than one mod.

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Quote from: BlackBoss_ on November 07, 2023, 06:06:09 AM

If the board is spam, it will be muted, locked. Locals can continue their spamming before the board is locked.

Use report to report spam posts because it's responsibility of local members who ask for the local board.

The board is in English and global moderators, current moderators who can use English can moderate it. All moderators in Bitcointalk can use English well and all of them can do this.

I think it's a great idea to get local moderators to moderate the board. Despite that the board uses English language as a language, it also uses what we call the Pidgin English. Pidgin English is a lingua franca that is a mixture between English language and other African languages. Pidgin is widely spoken in Africa and every country in the continent has its peculiar style of speaking in Pidgin. For instance, the style in which a Nigerian speak Pidgin English is different from Ghana or Cameroon despite their closeness in borders.

Nigerian Pidgin is blend with other major indigenous tribes in the country such as Hausa, Yoruba and Igbo. So, most at times, it takes an indigenous speaker to understand the conversation between them and communicate. Likewise, it will take a local moderator to be able to effectively monitor the conversations in the board as well as sort the threads in the proposed child boards.

An English moderator is not a bad idea but for a more effective moderation of the board, you need a local or native moderator.

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Quote from: Rikafip on November 07, 2023, 03:44:22 PM

From our experience, it didn't contibute to extra spam and all it did was making our main board much cleaner and easier to navigate.

Exactly the reason for the need for sub-boards is to make things in their right place, and posts that are ordinary are considered low quality, and spam will be on the off-topic board, which anyone visiting those boards is not expecting to see.

Another benefit of this sub-board is that if the local board has its own moderator, it will make work easier for them, and it won't appear as if they are too harsh or not being considerate, as most posts that are not crypto-related and not entirely political and could have been deleted will be easily moved to the appropriate board, and other active members on the local board can also know the right way to use and report posts that they notice don't fit in where the OP created them.

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Quote from: hugeblack on November 07, 2023, 02:44:43 PM

Some of mentioned sub-boards are not related to Bitcoin, and creating such sub-boards may increase spam discussions that are not related to Bitcoin and without a mod, I do not expect them to be approved.

That's not necessarily true as almost two years ago we (Croatian local board) got few childs boards, and neither of them were related to Bitcoin. First one was "Off-Topic" and the 2nd one was for altcoin announcement so it was separated from altcoin discussion.

From our experience, it didn't contibute to extra spam and all it did was making our main board much cleaner and easier to navigate.

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OP, I applaud your effort on this thread to put it to theymos that we need a sub-board to help us navigate our local board easily. It has been noticed that newbies from Nigeria are increasing everyday and most of them come first to identify themselves in the local board, by creating topics that are not bitcoin related since they are newbies and love posting more than reading. This has made the board to have numerous topics that are scattered all over the board. A sub-board will help us comb this, as topics will be posted base on where it falls into. For OP, to write this, it has become something that is giving us a lot of headache, because Nigerians are people that don't like to complain no matter the situation that we are passing through, because our government have made us strong to adapt to things the way they are. As the population of the board increases, it gets more congested.

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Quote from: BlackBoss_ on November 07, 2023, 06:06:09 AM

If the board is spam, it will be muted, locked. Locals can continue their spamming before the board is locked.

Use report to report spam posts because it's responsibility of local members who ask for the local board.

The board is in English and global moderators, current moderators who can use English can moderate it. All moderators in Bitcointalk can use English well and all of them can do this.

What are you saying mate, I don't think you have surf the naija local board because if you have then you would know that the board is one of the most promising in terms of quality posters and more over there are lots of other board in which lots of spamming and abuse of merit is going, where someone is showered lots of merit for a shit post of just saying a welcome or introduction message. If you do browse other local board then you will be surprised to what you would see but that being said , this thread is for request of child board and moderator just like every other local board has and I think you should stick to it and again not everyone speak and pass information in the local board in fluent English as I believe you will be familiar with what is called pidgin English or "broken English" as we call it here.

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Some of mentioned sub-boards are not related to Bitcoin, and creating such sub-boards may increase spam discussions that are not related to Bitcoin and without a mod, I do not expect them to be approved. I suggest changing the name of the sub-board for something related to Bitcoin, and collecting +30 topics within Last 90 days, things like technical section, wallets, beginners and help.

Overall, I am happy with the level of activity in the Nigerian Board and I hope they get a new mod soon. It seems like a community that is growing well and it is an opportunity to see more Africans here.

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Quote from: examplens on November 07, 2023, 05:25:58 AM

I think it would be much more beneficial for you to ask for a local moderator. You have several very active members who, if they are ready to accept responsibility, should perhaps apply for local mod positions.
Merit source applications to reward quality posts more are okay, but spam removal is perhaps more important for maintaining the forum. In the end, it will be easier for you to discuss if your board is spam-free.

I beg to disagree. While global mods can still delete spam (having their onw local mod would be of course better), not having separate child boards is imho more important and should be priority. Imagine if on our local board we don't have child boards and instead everything is crammed in one and if it was 10x as active.

Regarding them getting their own local moderator, it mainly depends on the amount of spam they have there so unless its a real problem, chances of them getting one are not good.

While I am glad to see that you started request topic, choice of child boards seem kinda strange to me. Wouldn't it make more sense to put off topic and politics&society into one child board, while asking for some other boards like "altcoins" (once bull market start you can expect increase of intresest in those, or maybe even marketplace if there's enough interest.

Anyway, I hope that you get new child boards as soon as possible since you are one of the most active local boards and you are in a real need for at least a few.

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Quote from: BlackBoss_ on November 07, 2023, 06:06:09 AM

If the board is spam, it will be muted, locked. Locals can continue their spamming before the board is locked.

I was not expecting this from you. You are out from the course of discussion. You have to redirect yourself to the main point. We are talking about creating of child boards to split the discussions in the local board and you are saying to mute or lock board. I just believed that you don't understand the full text on the OP. BlackBoss_ it is not compulsory that you must make comments on all the threads you come across. You have to leave the ones you don't understand. Nigerian board has quality posters and even some of the newbies post well, just that we are posting everything in one board and the board is congesting with different news and others so we want to split them into different Sub-boards.

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Thank you OP. Finally, the long-awaited request. I'm sure thyemos didn't expect the board's activity to skyrocket in such a short space of time when he created the board while neglecting the sub-boards. Thank you for making this public. I'm temporarily out of sources to bless the post.

Quote from: BlackBoss_ on November 07, 2023, 06:06:09 AM

If the board is spam, it will be muted, locked. Locals can continue their spamming before the board is locked.

Use report to report spam posts because it's responsibility of local members who ask for the local board.

The board is in English and global moderators, current moderators who can use English can moderate it. All moderators in Bitcointalk can use English well and all of them can do this.

You're sending the wrong message here, or maybe you didn't read the entire OP. There is no free spam zone anywhere on the forum, and BTW, more than 70% of the local use pidgin to communicate, making it difficult for non-pidgin speaking moderators to function successfully. A child board is required to assist in navigating and organising the board for easy reading. We also need a local moderator, which I've discussed with thyemos in the past, and I believe we'll have one when the time comes.

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Quote from: Agbe on November 07, 2023, 05:02:26 AM

The Reasons for the Request

Congestion. Too many threads and difficult to navigate through and topics are easily buried.
To minimize spams: Since there is no local moderator at the moment, the child board will separate the trash, spamming and unrefined posts from the main board.

Requested Sub-boards.

Naija Politics & Society: Topics that'll be of interest to bitcoiners in relation to politics and the society in general.
Other Discussions: Other topics that might be of interest to bitcoiners.

Good and valid points @Agbe.
Nigerian local board is having more posts engagements and so many newbies are creating threads that are useful but off topics, it is now one of the active local boards in the forum, if we have the off topic sub board and political/society discussions sub board, the main board will be free from spam that are not related to bitcoin.

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I think Nigeria really deserves more sub-boards

i have been following all local boards for some time, and I have created this animated chart which allows people to see how Nigeria board has been flying. It is already one of the most active boards in the forum, even lacking its sub-boards.

Quote from: bitmover on December 30, 2022, 05:13:52 PM

I scraped the data from each chart and added here in this new animated chart, as suggested by dkbit98 and Rikafip.

We can see the evolution of each local board activity since 2020.

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/12312077/

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Our local board (Nigerian board) is one of the most active boards in the forum. Both quality posters and non-quality posters are on the board, so I understand the whole concept of what @Agbe is trying to conclude and, as for me, I do say the same thing as he has already said earlier.
Our local board should have a moderator and also a sub-board where the local board moderator can move or arrange every topic to the specific board it is supposed to be (if any users fail to post it where it is supposed to be). It will also help to reduce the rate of spammers and non-quality posts on the board.
I can conclude that one of the reasons why many other users (i.e) merit source and all the rest of them normally visit the Nigerian local board is because we have a lot of active and quality posters but what we don't have is a moderator and more merit source.

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