Topic: Proposal: UK Bitcoin Trade Association (Read 4003 times)

In general if this would work, the people that lobby must me the same in course of time. If as someone mentioned people can create projects and members fundraise there would be different persons all the time confronting the government, Often with different ideas. In general a organisation, sentralised or desentrilized needs to organisation members that are in the seats over time. unless it just will not seem professionally in the eyes of the authorities and the organisation will be one between many 2ideal organisation" that never get recognition or power.

I belive in the desentilized currency, but not in desentrilized organisations working for the coin should be public accepted. It would be a rope with many ends and everyone pulls in different directions. With this there will never be any affecting big results. Its just the way it is....

no, i dont think this is anyone in this topic. but what i have seen already is that the people that are part of that website are glory hounds. for example, the HMRC already were looking into bitcoin for 2 years. i was even informed of the (at the time unofficial) plan/theory they had to categorize bitcoin in relation to tax this time last year. yet the association have kind of hyped the HMRC announcement, as being done due to them.

im all for people talking to HMRC but when they pretend to be doing the hard work of others, then i start to wonder if they are worth paying a membership fee.

i personally would rather people just do the work and get paid a bounty for doing it. rather then accepting a wage and twist all news related to bitcoin UK, to be done by them.

i am at the moment in a holding pattern to see what the next plan the DCA have, and to see what news they report as being done by them is actually done by them.

we dont want a dozen coders saying they are going to be involved with legal or media projects. so i hope DCA has proper expertise in all area's

what we dont want is to be paying for a group of guys that dont work. and letting others that do work to go unheard and unrewarded. so im not going to join the DCA at this point as i dont see them doing much/anything to improve the UK bitcoin ecosphere.

pretenders taking the glory will hurt bitcoins integrity and perception, we definetly dont want to ruin bitcoins potential for mainstream

i think the DCA need to atleast disclose all their board/employee's along with the expertise they have and a list of current projects, rather then board "subjects" they wish to cover

don't know if you guys are the guys behind this - but this group has recently formed. I am seeking to join them.

http://www.digitalcurrencyassociation.org.uk/

Sounds like a great idea.  There definitely needs to be a clearer division among labour in the Bitcoin community in technical, marketing and legal, where there seems to be an absence of the latter.

You get my vote +1

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thats the kind of what idea i had in my head just needs a professional look to it but it covers all the basics

Might be worth separating webpage (pro) and forum (brainstorming etc.)

I have setup a basic forum as a start if this helps. https://moot.it/bitcoinuk

If anyone has more knowledge in forum setup,
Feel free to set up a better one, this is just so we have a real starting point.

I have nothing useful to contribute, but +1 for good idea.

great.

i think the idea of personal bounties works better then a community pot. so please make that the aim of the job/tasks section.

after all ever since uk government stopped directly funding road repairs/filling pot holes using taxdisk money. or paying benefits from NI contributions. but instead throwing it all into one pot to make it unauditable. our country has now gone down the toilet.

i prefer the system that people who want to use a car, pay to keep the roads flat via the taxdisk bounty going direct to repair work. instead of going towards camerons 2nd mortgage.

i only thought of the forum structure as it does not involve a centralised person uploading every new fact or detail/moderating each upload. a script could be added to an forum code to auto moderate posts. also the forum structure can be split into categories (topics).

but i do think forums dont look official/professional,..

so its just an idea

feel free to PM me to get my skype if you want to have more detailed discussion of the basic outlay to make it as decentralised and micromanaged as possible

I am interested in supporting this effort.

A web site, wiki and IRC channel seem appropriate. A forum perhaps less so. Consider getting a regional subforum on bitcointalk?

I am happy to start putting together a basic website if people would like me to. Pretty busy today but can start tomorrow. Sometimes I think that just getting a ball rolling is a good start, even if its not perfect.

all that is needed to start with is a website that has:
link to IRC channel for us all to collaborate
section to list people that want to talk to media (be interviewed on tv etc)
section for job listings (free and bounty)
section with news/announcements/progress updates
section for education material (everything from the history of last 5 years of BTC, to how to make paper wallets etc)

even having it as a forum structure where anyone can put info into it and have a moderate button to remove FUD posts (if certain number of forum members report it) which can all be script managed

One part I would like to see us work on is education..

Guides to bitcoin taxes,
Pamphlets and booklets for merchants,
How to deal with banks etc.

With all of us working together, Im sure we could Provide a lot of good info.

+1

this is where individuals would lay out their project in detail. if their project was not costly EG just a few phone calls that they did not want expenses. then they would not add a bounty. but for more expensive tasks they would layout the costs and have a bounty, allowing people to donate(vote with funds) if that project would be beneficial.


exactly

Agree, my only thoughts are that if there was travel etc involved there is no reason the people doing it should have to foot all the cost and the members should be prepared to help out. Being a bit busy and a bit thick I didn't think it through properly.

The blockchain would be the treasurer.

It doesn't centralise 'us', but it does present a unified front - which is ultimately essential to be taken seriously and actually manage to result in effective change and wider acceptance, which benefits everyone who uses Bitcoin, whether they're part of a trade body or not.

as i said the projects and funding should be decentralised (no board members managing it all) but simply a central point to collaborate on idea's and publicise results of these individuals progress.

EG
anyone can put in a 'job listing' of something that they can do to expand bitcoin and if there is costs, add a bounty. or simply work together to develop the plan and implement it, then publicise the benefit their time has brought to bitcoin.

the other thing is that calling it a foundation automatically creates bureaucracy, such as legally having to name trustee's, board members and having to show pound coin finances. but caling it a consortium / co-op can give the decentralised freedoms and allow micro management where individuals own their own projects, and still collaborate with others using a central contact point of the group

And for what exactly do we need it ? Proposal is one thing, but to be honest you need any one permission for it since we are decentralized community (what is good thing). It would centralize us, I don't even want to start on downsides of such idea.