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legendary
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March 03, 2014, 10:18:42 AM
#11
I think the moment money tends to get involved is when things get ugly unless that's the motivation to begin with.

Most of the stuff you described doesn't really require money but people with good writing and speaking skills.
+1

EG the guy talking to HMRC would have a bounty of just few satoshi's to cover a 2 hour phonecall, and not 1 btc a week as a wage for only doing 2 hours work. most people like me and a few others wouldnt even claim expenses for such tasks
legendary
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March 03, 2014, 10:16:23 AM
#10
I was thinking about something like this but I was thinking it would be more of a community thing, one thing we could do right away is set up a website with trustworthy UK Bitcoin traders/merchants or people who deal in other cryptocurrencies and go from there, I think the moment money tends to get involved is when things get ugly unless that's the motivation to begin with.

Most of the stuff you described doesn't really require money but people with good writing and speaking skills.
legendary
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March 03, 2014, 10:11:53 AM
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For my mind membership should be free for any UK resident wanting to promote the cause of bitcoin and then once a treasurer and association representatives were elected then discussions towards any kind of forward funding / fund raising should be made by the representatives and voted on by the member.

your starting to go down a dark path.
the trade association would be to reduce licence fee's.
the foundation (i personally prefer the words consortium or co-op) would be for expanding bitcoin.
two separate entities.

i agree the foundation would be membership fee free. but i disagree that there needs to be a treasurer. (someone getting paid to sit on their ass purely because they hold the privkeys).

imagine this world instead:
person X is nominated as worker that will contact HMRC. he writes out his plan of action and a guide of the costs.. he then posts a public key for his project and shows a bounty. people pay into it (kind of like voting) if they think its a worth wile project. and ofcourse he has revealed his real life info so people can slap him with a wet fish if he does not follow through.

there is no need for a centralised system of financing, in this decentralised financial world.

the bounty process would show exactly how the funds would be spent and clearly show how much is given to the project/individual

well thats my 2 minute brainfart idea
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BintexFutures
March 03, 2014, 09:54:13 AM
#8
thank you OP for being inspired by my idea, i would say a consortium/franchise/trade assosiation would work. i would also say that the trade association (as someone named it) should not be financially tied to a foundation.

we do not want a foundation that is filled with board members taking a cut of foundation donations, purely because they have a board members seat.

how it should work is the foundation is filled with coders successfully building a better protocol, PR guys WORKING hard with media to promote bitcoin and legal guys WORKING HARD lobbying parliament, HMRC (FCA/PRA).

i truly hope no one gets paid purely because they are a member, picking their nose and scratching their ass. as that breeds corruption and greed, instead of initiative, inspiration, evolution and other positive energies



Anyway to expand on this.

The kind of things what would need to be decided as a community are

Other things that spring to mind are

Mission statement
Goals
structure
timeline

Once those were agreed

The next stage would be to decide, as a community in the UK, what the roles would be and the skillset needed to fill it. From there people should submit applications to fill the role and the community should decide the best people to fill those roles.

Would perhaps be a good idea to form a membership based association based on one member one vote.

For my mind membership should be free for any UK resident wanting to promote the cause of bitcoin and then once a treasurer and association representatives were elected then discussions towards any kind of forward funding / fund raising should be made by the representatives and voted on by the member.

For any kind of success it would have to be a totally transparent democratic association, not a closed shop of peers.
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BintexFutures
March 03, 2014, 09:48:14 AM
#7
thank you OP for being inspired by my idea, i would say a consortium/franchise/trade assosiation would work. i would also say that the trade association (as someone named it) should not be financially tied to a foundation.

we do not want a foundation that is filled with board members taking a cut of foundation donations, purely because they have a board members seat.

how it should work is the foundation is filled with coders successfully building a better protocol, PR guys WORKING hard with media to promote bitcoin and legal guys WORKING HARD lobbying parliament, HMRC (FCA/PRA).

i truly hope no one gets paid purely because they are a member, picking their nose and scratching their ass. as that breeds corruption and greed, instead of initiative, inspiration, evolution and other positive energies



No,

the thanks are to you.
legendary
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March 03, 2014, 09:47:16 AM
#6
thank you OP for being inspired by my idea, i would say a consortium/franchise/trade assosiation would work. i would also say that the trade association (as someone named it) should not be financially tied to a foundation.

we do not want a foundation that is filled with board members taking a cut of foundation donations, purely because they have a board members seat.

how it should work is the association is filled with coders successfully building a better protocol, PR guys WORKING hard with media to promote bitcoin and legal guys WORKING HARD lobbying parliament, HMRC (FCA/PRA).

i truly hope no one gets paid purely because they are a member, picking their nose and scratching their ass. as that breeds corruption and greed, instead of initiative, inspiration, evolution and other positive energies

ofcourse there should be no reason for bitcoin businesses to volunteer inspiring idea's and their time. but not be paid for simply turning up for meetings that don't improve bitcoin

on the other subject
just like Joel Dalais (we are both from the southwest and met at a local bitcoin meeting) we have both found alot of positive interactions with HMRC/FCA/PRA and it feels like there is less of a headache then what the american counterparts are receiving.
legendary
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Touchdown
March 03, 2014, 09:22:27 AM
#5
Also interested.

Probably worth contacting the people already lobbying e.g. HMRC (see the recent stories about HMRC changing its stance re Bitcoin).

I also found this interesting:
https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/776-foundation-moving-to-the-uk/

full member
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Realbitcoin.info
March 03, 2014, 08:37:52 AM
#4
I'm not sure how much I can help but am interested.
I live in the North west.
legendary
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March 03, 2014, 08:34:50 AM
#3
I think it's certainly something that would be really helpful to UK people and the UK government itself doesn't seem very hostile to Bitcoin, probably because of all countries we've had to deal with a lot of shit when it comes to banks. I wouldn't mind helping out with that but it should strictly remain a trade association I wouldn't want it to end up as another Bitcoin foundation that gets uncomfortably close to government and pretends to speak for the whole Bitcoin community.

I'm actually in the UK and as most will know setting up a business, so this kind of thing would directly benefit me if it got started, personally I wouldn't bother with banks but I certainly reckon there are MPs out there that would be sympathetic to the idea of competing currencies to reduce the influence banks have over the economy.

I'm in Yorkshire.
sr. member
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March 03, 2014, 08:29:09 AM
#2
Interested...
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BintexFutures
March 03, 2014, 08:22:42 AM
#1
following on from the thread regarding bank issues and a suggestion by Franky, this is something I have thought about before.

would it be worth forming a trade association for Bitcoin related UK businesses to lobby HMRC, banks and politicians to clear the way for us and help us all grow and succeed.

At present government and HMRC policy is murky at best and most banks will not accept bitcoin related businesses. An organised association could help achieve the following

Clear up tax legislation
Champion the cause and increase adoption rates
Improve public image with press releases
Lobby MP's to bring up issues in parliament
Put together packs to send to major banks and lobby adoption
Create best practice guides for companies that wish to trade bitcoin / are mostly bitcoin related.

Any thoughts on practicalities / impracticalities, whether we could actually achieve anything welcome.

Quite happy to be shot down in flames if the community thinks its bullshit.
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