Topic: Proposed guidelines for bounty managers. @theymos pls take a look and help us. - page 2. (Read 993 times)

I have only one recommendation towards bounty managers. Take 30 minutes of your precious time and check the project before you accept to manage it.
I know it's not your job to verify the legitimacy of the project but in a very short time and almost no effort you can potentially save the forum from thousands of unwanted/spammy comments, weekly bumps and most importantly unpaid bounty hunters (also managers).

Take this as a friendly suggestion, it's not too much to ask, right?

Some of your points are legit , but most of them is impossible to implement beacuse it would require huge moderator efforts, mods have their hands full and part of your suggestions is not the forum's responsibilty.

This is by far the most rational suggestion so far.

Also it is not like mods are not doing anything, even with this huge job, there is a negative trust given for managers who are dishonest and are promotng scam ICOs repeatedly.

Note that you are advertising an ERC20 token(BQT) in your signature.
What makes you say so that ERC20 is useless? EOS was an ERC20, BnB is an ERC20. Both of them weren't traded in reputed exchanges at first. Many even thought that BnB along with its exchange would fail miserably.
Does that mean they are useless?
Listing in a reputed exchange alone won't make the token/coin great enough to be accepted as a legit one. Are you exactly against tokens or the scams and spams happening around the forum? If you are against alts stop advertising ERC20 in your signature.

No, this is no more a bitcoin forum. This is one of the largest cryptocurrency forums. If this is a btc forum, then why does it have "Alt currencies board and why do they allow ANN of alts?"

Regarding your guidelines, they are already being followed by some of the reputed and spam free managers.

Well the problem is not about the bounty managers as well as their rules whom they created and posted on bounty sections. There are some things that we should consider also and that is the part where bounty managers introduces an ICO projects. Some of them are just accepting the job as a bounty manager even if there is a need to check first the project before accepting it.

As we all know that the ICO projects nowadays are flooding in the bounty section and this is the real problem. Most of it are labeled as fraud for some of them will not comply and will make their own adjustments as long as they want it and favorable to them. ICO projects could be introduced on bounty sections anytime since it is free and there is no required documents to assert the that the ICO project is legit. The likely to scam others would be high because of the ICO projects team are anonymous or could isolate themselves and run away after getting the money from its investors.

To run an ICO projects and promote it here in the forum should undergone screening procedures. Thus, starting an ICO project should require some relevant documents for the team that would be held liable for the money of the investors. The Lesser the ICO projects,the lesser people that could work on the bounty sections and lesser spamming posts will be made by the bounty hunters but higher rate to get good rewards than being scammed with an ICO project.

I don't think that is true, Ponzi schemes don't have a means to transfer funds directly between investors, Due to inflation, almost every asset class has rewarded early investors - just look at property and gold for example. Not all new buyers of Bitcoin have lost money, and there is price volatility with all forms of currency. Bitcoin is an asset, but it is in a different class - virtual assets, and most people have difficulty in understand this about bitcoin, however they seem to be able to understand the values of other virtual assets such as domain names, fiat bank deposits, games awards and some others.

As a member of Bitcoin Talk, I think you should clarify the situation with your friends, and make them aware of the advantages they are missing by rejecting Bitcoin.

I think it would be better to apply stricter moderation in bounty and ANN section.
Also instead of submitting reports, BM could directly track users post through their profile (I think a few do this). It would reduce mega threads and pyramid posts.
We have to accept that as long as there are bounties spam will come with the traffic it generates.
The new merit system is helping curb that.

Quite a number of these rules are overly complicated or just outright nonsensical; they would lead to to severe worsening of the situation. You really need to think this through. There aren't even explicit rules against spamming by theymos (e.g. posting from several accounts just to get paid).

Definitely this is a good and helpful thread regarding on getting rid of spam and shitposts. I was forseeing this that theymos will implement some changes on rulings and policy for bounty managers in those bounty sections as I posted it in my thread few hours earlier than this thread.
 (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.46234638)

Just posted this few hours earlier and it was indeed a coincidence that my post and OP's thread providing effort to help and keep the forum healthy for cryptocurrency discussions.
I had my 100% support for OP with this!

Sorry but it's hard to quote OP list  

• Bounty manager's shouldn't ask submit report on OP, bounty report should collect by Google form. Proof of annunciation can be post to avoid bounty cheaters.
  

What if someone uses 30 accounts? He can cheats anyway

• Since scam(upcoming or ongoing) are not moderated by forum, no stake distribution on time frame will consider for scam. If a manager failed to distribution stake among bounty participant he should get temp ban for each campaign. 3 temp ban result will be permaban.
  

Some managers complete their job at the end of the bounty, yes they don't probably even read reports.

• Managers shouldn't ask or forced more than 20 post per week for alt coin reward to avoid spam. Or they can pay per post

Depens, if post are good why this cap?

• Managers shouldn't accept spammer and spam post on count.

Agree, but it will never happen. Probably are the ICO owner who ask for spam on 1st place.

• Bounty managers shouldn't not ask reply on thread for airdrop, bounty and ANN Thread. If asked than thread should be trashed and OP should get temp ban

Already done.

• Thread should be locked after stake distributions.  Because sometimes people's reply even bounty is over.

Agree, but actually is one of the best way to find bots and multi accounts bots.

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• BM should lock bounty, ANN and Airdrop thread if team unable to give appropriate answers against scam accusation.
  

Agree.

• Bumping thread with similar word of "great project" by newbie and Jr. Member is prohibited.  More than 15 comment a day like this will consider paid bumping except constructive discussion. If use paid bumping, thread should be trashed and OP should get temp ban.
  

I do not agree.
And if I do 30 accounts and spam on your thread? You should be banned?

• Bounty manager's should not spend merit on his own bounty thread.

Agree.

• If need KYC approval for receive stake BM should mention in bounty thread. No mention means there isn't require KYC in order to get stake.
  

Agree. Buf if the ICO's owner ask if before distrubution?

• Both account should ban if caught managing bounty with alt account to avoid ban evasion.
  

The can always use another account or friend to post for them.

• Bounty manager's could add disclaimer on bounty thread, it's doesn't mean he/she will not get ban if stake isn't distributed on time. Bounty manager fully responsible if stake not distributed for hunters.
  

Some managers, are here only for 1 project or scam project and they will leave the account after their ICO, in this way you punish only regulars manager but I agree with this.

• Duplicate thread are not allowed if previous thread trashed by moderators.

I do not agree, someone can do 10000000 accounts and spam one thread only to make mods delete it.

• Bounty budget shouldn't decrease after end of campaign if there is more than 100 participant on spreadsheet.

Yea if target is reached, the decreasing for no reason should be punished, but if it not bounty manager fault?

• Bounty thread should made self moderated to delete spam post. ( I am not encourage made self moderated thread for ANN. Because peoples will not able to share true opinion. They might be delete all negative comments. Better option is remove self moderated option from Altcoins Announcement section)    

I don't know this has pro and contro.

• Ponzi scheme should not allow to promote on bounty section. ( All ponzi scheme turn into scam eventually)

Ponzi are always scam.

Oh my gosh. I second all your points. We definitely need some guidelines like this. There are a ton of scam bounties out there. We do not have enough time to go through all.
Specially, when you suggest bitcoin as prize for bounty hunters, fabulous. I WISH this will become true one day.

Good effort. But you have to consider that admin/mods are not willing to (and cannot in practice) investigate content of every topic, not to mention things like following on bounty-campaign progress and checking whether participants got paid etc. Just put yourself in their shoes.

If you want to create a 'good practice' guide topic - that's fine. But if you want to introduce new forum rules proposal, then you have to boil it down to something clear and simple. ie.something like this could solve the problem:

"Bounty campaigns organisers are responsible for preventing spam-posting of their participants. Providing incentive to spam, or failure to counter it can result in ban for both: participant guilty of spam and campaign organiser"

... but it's probably already too complicated and could be impossible to enforce. How do you define who's 'organiser' (there could be multiple accounts involved), who decide where's the line between normal post and spam? How many spam post does it take to get organiser banned etc.

You could have a separate discussion thread for every point that you proposed. But what strikes me is that you're attributing too much power to bounty managers. Often times they're just middle men between ICO organisers and participants and have no say on things like when/if the tokens are issued, what's the budget and its distribution, even minimum post requirements could be decided by ICO devs.

As far as we know there is no any guidelines or rules for bounty managers. Bounty section became a important part of this forum. Bounty managers almost directly involved with spam. We can see different reaction regarding bounty managers from members. Day by day increasing scammy and spammy activity on bounty section.

Lot of members suggested different opinion to avoid spam and scam from forum. But I think nothing is possible without theymos help. Theymos should publish a guidelines for bounty managers. I write few suggestion (draft) below, theymos could consider some of them if need.  


Best option for me if required Bitcoin for bounty campaign. ERC-20 is useless until it listed on reputed exchange. Since this is Bitcoin forum so forum could require Bitcoin for bounty award. Bounty means advertising on this forum. If require btc payment by escrow than we can avoid scam & spam. At least they will not able to scam bounty hunters. I think theymos will not agree with it. So I would like to suggest to implement some guidelines or rules bounty managers. Forum should not give them freedom to promote scam ICO's.  

• Bounty manager's shouldn't ask submit report on OP, bounty report should collect by Google form. Proof of annunciation can be post to avoid bounty cheaters.
  
• Since scam(upcoming or ongoing) are not moderated by forum, no stake distribution on time frame will consider for scam. If a manager failed to distribution stake among bounty participant he should get temp ban for each campaign. 3 temp ban result will be permaban.
  

• Managers shouldn't ask or forced more than 20 post per week for alt coin reward to avoid spam. Or they can pay per post
• Managers shouldn't accept spammer and spam post on count.

• Bounty managers shouldn't not ask reply on thread for airdrop, bounty and ANN Thread. If asked than thread should be trashed and OP should get temp ban
• Thread should be locked after stake distributions.  Because sometimes people's reply even bounty is over.

• BM should lock bounty, ANN and Airdrop thread if team unable to give appropriate answers against scam accusation.
  
• Bumping thread with similar word of "great project" by newbie and Jr. Member is prohibited.  More than 15 comment a day like this will consider paid bumping except constructive discussion. If use paid bumping, thread should be trashed and OP should get temp ban.
  

• Bounty manager's should not spend merit on his own bounty thread.
• If need KYC approval for receive stake BM should mention in bounty thread. No mention means there isn't require KYC in order to get stake.
  

• Both account should ban if caught managing bounty with alt account to avoid ban evasion.
  
• Bounty manager's could add disclaimer on bounty thread, it's doesn't mean he/she will not get ban if stake isn't distributed on time. Bounty manager fully responsible if stake not distributed for hunters.
  

• Duplicate thread are not allowed if previous thread trashed by moderators.
• Bounty budget shouldn't decrease after end of campaign if there is more than 100 participant on spreadsheet.

• Bounty thread should made self moderated to delete spam post. ( I am not encourage made self moderated thread for ANN. Because peoples will not able to share true opinion. They might be delete all negative comments. Better option is remove self moderated option from Altcoins Announcement section)    

• Ponzi scheme should not allow to promote on bounty section. ( All ponzi scheme turn into scam eventually)

There is few question if bounty managed by themselves how it will control. My opinion, let them do it themselves by getting copper membership. At least reputed and rank members are not related with them. If hunters trust them and participate on bounty than nothing we can do.  But rules should applicable for all main poster.