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Quote from: joeperry on May 04, 2022, 07:30:52 AM

I think that is right, it would be risk for them to show the code and could lose millions so I think they will not going to show it to the users besides, they still have a lot of players that's still playing in their website even some gambling sites doesn't show information about the RTP.

They do not have to show the proprietary code for the whole program, just an additional feature that are OpenSource that will query the RTP setting and then display it to the user. Wink

(This can then do a provably fair check to see if the displayed value are legit or if it was manipulated)

If I start a Poll now to see how many people trust the displayed RTP for the Slots by casinos and Slot providers, I can bet you the majority will choose the option that says ... "I do not trust the RTP displayed."

I think the RTP is adjusted in real-time to adapt to the needs of the casino..... and nobody ever challenge it .. they just trust the casinos. Roll Eyes

The regulated Brick n Mortar casinos are being audited to see if they are using the correct parameters for their games, but the online casinos have no check&balances for this.

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I think that is right, it would be risk for them to show the code and could lose millions so I think they will not going to show it to the users besides, they still have a lot of players that's still playing in their website even some gambling sites doesn't show information about the RTP.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on May 04, 2022, 02:25:52 AM

We live in times where almost everything is possible with software these days, but I have not seen any Casino having code that shows in real-time what the actual RTP is for ALL their games.

You will go to a site and you will click through several steps to find the RTP, but the RTP is simply the advertised RTP for that game. The latest Slots have multiple RTP settings for the same Slots (eg Hacksaw Games) and you never know on which RTP that Slot is running.

Can Software developers not write "Provably fair" code.. to enable people to click on a option in the game to "test" the actual RTP of the Slot at that given moment?

There are a lot of discussions in casino chats and forums on casinos hiding the actual RTP for their games and the RTP and Variance being adjusted in real-time to "feed" during certain periods. A provably fair system to check this will build more trust and it will also reduce frustration and negativity from gamblers on these platforms.

You have provably fair systems to check the bets, but we do not have provably fair systems to check the real-time RTP being used by the casinos. Roll Eyes

You have a valid point. Having the urge to know whether the casinos is being fair by giving the players the right RTP shown in their website is normal for a player to feel, most especially because players spend money on those bets. And with that, they also deserve to get honesty from the service provider. However, making this possible would let the operators on the losing side because they would have to show the code for the players to assess whether the RTP given is true.

If that would be the case, the code will spread out and could be manipulated or even have a bypass which will make their business at risk. And no owner wants that. Hence, what we could do is really just to rely on the players feedbacks and trust the casinos we decided to play on. After all, these reputable casinos won't risk their name to be on the mud for having such issue. Because the consequences would greatly impact the players population - the ones going in and exiting out.

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Quote from: zidanw on May 04, 2022, 03:36:03 AM

We wouldn't want to trouble ourselves to check and calculate after we play but I think there are reputable game providers that wouldn't cheat on their players am I right? since if the player proved that they have lower RTP than what they advertise they will only back fires to them and lose players.

The majority of game providers is reputable since they have all software license for many years. I believe the OP has a valid point but I doubt if game provider can give that details since they will need to show the code of there game just to show everything is transparent since that’s the only way for us to verify if they are using a proper RTP per bet. Game provider is centralized and not an open source unlike most of the decentralized games that based on hash seed for the result. I would really like this idea but this means that there work can be copy easily.

Even if they are reputable we are still unsure whether they deliver the right RTP or not since only them can verify it. So it is either you trust them or not that is up to you, that's why I only play sports betting and in-house casino games to make sure that it is fair and I can verify it.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on May 04, 2022, 02:25:52 AM

We live in times where almost everything is possible with software these days, but I have not seen any Casino having code that shows in real-time what the actual RTP is for ALL their games.

You will go to a site and you will click through several steps to find the RTP, but the RTP is simply the advertised RTP for that game. The latest Slots have multiple RTP settings for the same Slots (eg Hacksaw Games) and you never know on which RTP that Slot is running.

Can Software developers not write "Provably fair" code.. to enable people to click on a option in the game to "test" the actual RTP of the Slot at that given moment?

There are a lot of discussions in casino chats and forums on casinos hiding the actual RTP for their games and the RTP and Variance being adjusted in real-time to "feed" during certain periods. A provably fair system to check this will build more trust and it will also reduce frustration and negativity from gamblers on these platforms.

You have provably fair systems to check the bets, but we do not have provably fair systems to check the real-time RTP being used by the casinos. Roll Eyes

I would also love to see this,most game providers say just "high volatility or medium volatility" slot and based on this the RTP sure is a fixed one for example at 96.75% but that happens only during a certain period of time and we cannot check in real time the RTP,I am one of the slot players and I have seen for the same slot which is a high volatility one give me the bonus round often on the reels when playing with little money and almost never giving it when I play with bigger amounts of money,I guess real time RTP has something to do with it so I would really love to see this implemented if possible.

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Quote from: zidanw on May 04, 2022, 03:36:03 AM

We wouldn't want to trouble ourselves to check and calculate after we play but I think there are reputable game providers that wouldn't cheat on their players am I right? since if the player proved that they have lower RTP than what they advertise they will only back fires to them and lose players.

The majority of game providers is reputable since they have all software license for many years. I believe the OP has a valid point but I doubt if game provider can give that details since they will need to show the code of there game just to show everything is transparent since that’s the only way for us to verify if they are using a proper RTP per bet. Game provider is centralized and not an open source unlike most of the decentralized games that based on hash seed for the result. I would really like this idea but this means that there work can be copy easily.

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We wouldn't want to trouble ourselves to check and calculate after we play but I think there are reputable game providers that wouldn't cheat on their players am I right? since if the player proved that they have lower RTP than what they advertise they will only back fires to them and lose players.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on May 04, 2022, 02:25:52 AM

We live in times where almost everything is possible with software these days, but I have not seen any Casino having code that shows in real-time what the actual RTP is for ALL their games.

You will go to a site and you will click through several steps to find the RTP, but the RTP is simply the advertised RTP for that game. The latest Slots have multiple RTP settings for the same Slots (eg Hacksaw Games) and you never know on which RTP that Slot is running.

Can Software developers not write "Provably fair" code.. to enable people to click on a option in the game to "test" the actual RTP of the Slot at that given moment?

There are a lot of discussions in casino chats and forums on casinos hiding the actual RTP for their games and the RTP and Variance being adjusted in real-time to "feed" during certain periods. A provably fair system to check this will build more trust and it will also reduce frustration and negativity from gamblers on these platforms.

You have provably fair systems to check the bets, but we do not have provably fair systems to check the real-time RTP being used by the casinos. Roll Eyes

You pay attention to a curious moment in an online casino. Displaying RTP in online games would be welcomed by most players, but I have a question. What prevents casino owners from displaying incorrect numbers? We can't test that, can we? To reassure the players, inflated numbers will be displayed, but in fact they will be lower. Theoretically, it will be possible to check this by making calculations after their games, but even if in this case it is possible to catch the fraud, the casino owners can easily justify themselves.

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Some casinos put that on their game but just like what you have said we don't have information how we can confirm that it is the actual RTP of the game, that's why I choose to play only provably fair games in some casinos where I can verify it manually rather than playing with the slots games from other providers.

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We live in times where almost everything is possible with software these days, but I have not seen any Casino having code that shows in real-time what the actual RTP is for ALL their games.

You will go to a site and you will click through several steps to find the RTP, but the RTP is simply the advertised RTP for that game. The latest Slots have multiple RTP settings for the same Slots (eg Hacksaw Games) and you never know on which RTP that Slot is running.

Can Software developers not write "Provably fair" code.. to enable people to click on a option in the game to "test" the actual RTP of the Slot at that given moment?

There are a lot of discussions in casino chats and forums on casinos hiding the actual RTP for their games and the RTP and Variance being adjusted in real-time to "feed" during certain periods. A provably fair system to check this will build more trust and it will also reduce frustration and negativity from gamblers on these platforms.

You have provably fair systems to check the bets, but we do not have provably fair systems to check the real-time RTP being used by the casinos. Roll Eyes

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