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Quote from: hologram on July 28, 2014, 02:48:53 AM

Quote from: tee-rex on July 28, 2014, 01:47:37 AM

You are right. But you obviously don't see the whole picture behind the details. It may seem counter-intuitive, but you can never earn real wealth unless you share some part of this wealth with other people, that is making them wealthier too. Look at Bill Gates, yes, he is a multi-billionaire, but how many people have found work and made their lives better thanks to him.

Bill Gate is rich cause of the patent monopoly, it's not the best example...

But this example is still valid, since he wouldn't get where he is without giving back. The greed itself makes people share some of their profits.

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Socialists have come far in their success: they've convinced much of the population that the woes of the state are to be blamed on capitalism, and the boon of capitalism is the cause of the state. I wonder how long this charade will go; will we see another socialist meltdown right here in Murrica? I'm not sticking around to find out.

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Quote from: tee-rex on July 28, 2014, 01:47:37 AM

You are right. But you obviously don't see the whole picture behind the details. It may seem counter-intuitive, but you can never earn real wealth unless you share some part of this wealth with other people, that is making them wealthier too. Look at Bill Gates, yes, he is a multi-billionaire, but how many people have found work and made their lives better thanks to him.

Bill Gate is rich cause of the patent monopoly, it's not the best example...

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Quote from: Nathonas on July 27, 2014, 05:03:56 PM

I absolutely hate money and everything it stands for because it brings out the worst in people. I mean think about it, the simple fact that society values people by how much money they make is pathetic and shallow. It is such a basic every-day thing that we don't even notice - like the basic question of "what do you do?" , after which the person immediately makes a judgment about your worth as an individual

You are right. But you obviously don't see the whole picture behind the details. It may seem counter-intuitive, but you can never earn real wealth unless you share some part of this wealth with other people, that is making them wealthier too. Look at Bill Gates, yes, he is a multi-billionaire, but how many people have found work and made their lives better thanks to him.

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Quote from: Nathonas on July 27, 2014, 05:03:56 PM

I absolutely hate money and everything it stands for because it brings out the worst in people. I mean think about it, the simple fact that society values people by how much money they make is pathetic and shallow. It is such a basic every-day thing that we don't even notice - like the basic question of "what do you do?" , after which the person immediately makes a judgment about your worth as an individual.

But the problem is that as a species, we are not really ready for a society without money. We have to naturally progress from capitalism to something better. Right now I think most of the world as at that stage where we see the many faults of capitalism and hopefully will start to move away from it to a more socialist ideology. Or at the very least, start truly restraining the financial sector that has caused the rich to become richer and the poor to become poorer.

I also feel that Bitcoin is a great "transition" tool from our current money-centered society to a different mode of life, because it removes a lot of that control that a small group of people exert on the entire financial system.

Dreamer.

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Quote from: Nathonas on July 27, 2014, 05:03:56 PM

1.I absolutely hate money and everything it stands for because it brings out the worst in people.

2.I also feel that Bitcoin is a great "transition" tool from our current money-centered society to a different mode of life, because it removes a lot of that control that a small group of people exert on the entire financial system.

1.stay away from bitcoin.

2.it's free market...

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I absolutely hate money and everything it stands for because it brings out the worst in people. I mean think about it, the simple fact that society values people by how much money they make is pathetic and shallow. It is such a basic every-day thing that we don't even notice - like the basic question of "what do you do?" , after which the person immediately makes a judgment about your worth as an individual.

But the problem is that as a species, we are not really ready for a society without money. We have to naturally progress from capitalism to something better. Right now I think most of the world as at that stage where we see the many faults of capitalism and hopefully will start to move away from it to a more socialist ideology. Or at the very least, start truly restraining the financial sector that has caused the rich to become richer and the poor to become poorer.

I also feel that Bitcoin is a great "transition" tool from our current money-centered society to a different mode of life, because it removes a lot of that control that a small group of people exert on the entire financial system.

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I'm not sure if its the same elsewhere, but where I come from we have moved to a system called outcomes education. Its basically a system where the state decides what is necessary and tries to mould kids to meet those perceived requirements. As a result the kids are not taught to taught to think for them selves and its now been shown that the kids leaving school and applying for university entrance fall far short of the minimum standards. Fields that are particularly being affected are maths and science.

Not sure if others are familiar with this site The Trivium method: (pertains to mind) – the elementary three.

General Grammar, Aristotelian Logic, and Classical Rhetoric comprise the first three rules-based subjects of the 7 Liberal Arts and Sciences. As these disciplines are learned and practiced together, they form the overarching, symbiotic system for establishing clarity and consistency of personal thought called the Trivium.

http://www.triviumeducation.com/

I think this method of education should be focused on when preparing kids minds, it enables them to think logically, thus better enabling them to take responsibility. The problem is state education is more focused on indoctrination so you wont find it supported there.

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Quote from: Lethn on July 11, 2014, 05:58:48 AM

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Quote from: Charlie Prime on July 10, 2014, 05:54:15 AM

Quote from: MisterDD on July 10, 2014, 02:51:51 AM

When you depend on money, you have limitations.

Are public schools completely bereft of economics education today?

yes, they are

I don't understand why we spend billions on paying the teachers for doing nothing

they are a huge burdain to tax payers

wouldn't it be simpler to print out extremy detailed books and the kids would only come to school for exams
where the country would pay controllers short-term for the exams..

you say they couldn't learn?

the society would develop the way there would be many video tutorials and explanations online
there is really no need to waste the hard earned money of the people..

I get increasingly pissed off when I hear about teachers in my country ( UK ) going on strike over pensions, particularly because of my own experience through education I think some teachers deserve to have their pay docked with the kind of bullshit they pull, the least governments can do is reward teachers who actually teach instead of people who are just their to collect their cheques every month and retire.

Granted, education in particular tends to get me angry because of my personal experiences, but that's life really, we tend to react more to things that we can relate to.

teachers should not be able to form unions nor should they be able to strike. What kind of lesion does this teach their children when they refuse to do the job they were hired to do?

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why would they be uneducated?

as I understand his story, they would get books to study at home and would only show up at school to do exams

they would still be educated,probably more educated then ever because they would have time to study

things you're saying is like teachers are actually babysitters Cheesy

Judging from your response, I don't think you live in a big city in the US.

Teenage gang is getting out of control in many cities.

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Quote from: Jamie_Boulder on July 11, 2014, 09:58:50 AM

Millions of uneducated teenagers on the street without support from their parents or anyone else won't be solved by "hiring more police officers"
I'll try to explain this non sense in your language as you seem to be looking at the $ side of things without a moral perspective.
"More police officers" + millions of board teenagers on the street fending for themselves (gangs) will without a doubt place a massive surge on arrests and tax payer funded prisons.
That means instead of paying a single teacher to control and educate 30 students 6-7 hours a day, by your logic we are now instead accommodating, feeding, protecting and PAYING for an individual who will most likely grow up to have a better understanding of the inside of a jail cell than the real world.
Less educated, productive individuals out there slows down economic growth. The inevitable growth in crime rate will also effect the financial security of local businesses (mexico is a good example of this).

I think that guy was kidding, don't take his words seriously!

This is happening in many cities in the US.

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Quote from: tee-rex on July 11, 2014, 10:02:28 AM

Quote from: Jamie_Boulder on July 11, 2014, 09:58:50 AM

Millions of uneducated teenagers on the street without support from their parents or anyone else won't be solved by "hiring more police officers"
I'll try to explain this non sense in your language as you seem to be looking at the $ side of things without a moral perspective.
"More police officers" + millions of board teenagers on the street fending for themselves (gangs) will without a doubt place a massive surge on arrests and tax payer funded prisons.
That means instead of paying a single teacher to control and educate 30 students 6-7 hours a day, by your logic we are now instead accommodating, feeding, protecting and PAYING for an individual who will most likely grow up to have a better understanding of the inside of a jail cell than the real world.
Less educated, productive individuals out there slows down economic growth. The inevitable growth in crime rate will also effect the financial security of local businesses (mexico is a good example of this).

I think that guy was kidding, don't take his words seriously!

I sincerely hope so.

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Quote from: Jamie_Boulder on July 11, 2014, 09:58:50 AM

Millions of uneducated teenagers on the street without support from their parents or anyone else won't be solved by "hiring more police officers"
I'll try to explain this non sense in your language as you seem to be looking at the $ side of things without a moral perspective.
"More police officers" + millions of board teenagers on the street fending for themselves (gangs) will without a doubt place a massive surge on arrests and tax payer funded prisons.
That means instead of paying a single teacher to control and educate 30 students 6-7 hours a day, by your logic we are now instead accommodating, feeding, protecting and PAYING for an individual who will most likely grow up to have a better understanding of the inside of a jail cell than the real world.
Less educated, productive individuals out there slows down economic growth. The inevitable growth in crime rate will also effect the financial security of local businesses (mexico is a good example of this).

I think that guy was kidding, don't take his words seriously!

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Quote from: Charlie Prime on July 10, 2014, 05:54:15 AM

Quote from: MisterDD on July 10, 2014, 02:51:51 AM

When you depend on money, you have limitations.

Are public schools completely bereft of economics education today?

yes, they are

I don't understand why we spend billions on paying the teachers for doing nothing

they are a huge burdain to tax payers

wouldn't it be simpler to print out extremy detailed books and the kids would only come to school for exams
where the country would pay controllers short-term for the exams..

you say they couldn't learn?

the society would develop the way there would be many video tutorials and explanations online
there is really no need to waste the hard earned money of the people..

It is not that simple. If we abolished schools, this would evidently give a spur to crime rates (since youths are under control in school even if they are beyond any hope in respect to education). And then we would have to spend even more money struggling with crimes and social disintegration as a result.

I don't think so

There's around 20 teachers in each school, 5 cleaning ladies, 1 principal, 4 assistans and simmilar stuff, 1 janitor...

I'm sure I'm missing something but that's over 30 employees

That means with that money (from only 1 school closed) you could hire almost 30 police officers

That's only 1 school!

Imagine closing all the schools in a city, the city would never be safer

And crime rates wouldn't increase that much, perhaps a slight 10% or something

Hiring a few more cops would do it or setting up cameras in significant locations

A whole bunch of money would be left to use and invest

I hope you are kidding!

You can't just hire 30 more police officers. You would need a lot of more people (doctors for wounded in gangs' fights, advocates to defend them and prosecutors to blame, prisons and whatnot). Also, a police officer salary is obviously not equal to that of a cleaning woman. Wink

but it isn't equal to the one of a principal Wink

and I don't know why you're assuming that there will be an all out warfare if schools closed lol

there wouldn't be such gangs, if there would be any change it would be a slight change

not this catastrophy you're describing

I don't even think that extra officers should be hired at all

Millions of uneducated teenagers on the street without support from their parents or anyone else won't be solved by "hiring more police officers"
I'll try to explain this non sense in your language as you seem to be looking at the $ side of things without a moral perspective.
"More police officers" + millions of board teenagers on the street fending for themselves (gangs) will without a doubt place a massive surge on arrests and tax payer funded prisons.
That means instead of paying a single teacher to control and educate 30 students 6-7 hours a day, by your logic we are now instead accommodating, feeding, protecting and PAYING for an individual who will most likely grow up to have a better understanding of the inside of a jail cell than the real world.
Less educated, productive individuals out there slows down economic growth. The inevitable growth in crime rate will also effect the financial security of local businesses (mexico is a good example of this).

@OP What makes the 'intelligent' individuals immune from the 'money' that the average people claim as their 'consolation prize'?

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Education is just brain washing these day.

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Quote from: Charlie Prime on July 11, 2014, 08:31:55 AM

Quote from: tee-rex on July 11, 2014, 07:44:19 AM

My school years are long gone, so why should I care?

You should care because the children in your community will decide your fate.

What gets stomped into their heads at public indoctrination facilities today determines what kind of society you will live in 15 years from now.

That hilarious guy from above (above here refers to the thread, not what you might have thought) says that I shouldn't care about anything, that is whether they go to school or not! Cheesy

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Quote from: tee-rex on July 11, 2014, 07:44:19 AM

My school years are long gone, so why should I care?

You should care because the children in your community will decide your fate.

What gets stomped into their heads at public indoctrination facilities today determines what kind of society you will live in 15 years from now.

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Quote from: Charlie Prime on July 11, 2014, 07:37:47 AM

If you are interested in learning the difference between schooling and education, visit:

http://schoolsucksproject.com/new-start-here/

My school years are long gone, so why should I care? Cheesy

Though I agree that schools today are not very efficient (mildly speaking) at education.

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If you are interested in learning the difference between schooling and education, visit:

http://schoolsucksproject.com/new-start-here/

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Quote from: Charlie Prime on July 10, 2014, 05:54:15 AM

Quote from: MisterDD on July 10, 2014, 02:51:51 AM

When you depend on money, you have limitations.

Are public schools completely bereft of economics education today?

yes, they are

I don't understand why we spend billions on paying the teachers for doing nothing

they are a huge burdain to tax payers

wouldn't it be simpler to print out extremy detailed books and the kids would only come to school for exams
where the country would pay controllers short-term for the exams..

you say they couldn't learn?

the society would develop the way there would be many video tutorials and explanations online
there is really no need to waste the hard earned money of the people..

I get increasingly pissed off when I hear about teachers in my country ( UK ) going on strike over pensions, particularly because of my own experience through education I think some teachers deserve to have their pay docked with the kind of bullshit they pull, the least governments can do is reward teachers who actually teach instead of people who are just their to collect their cheques every month and retire.

Granted, education in particular tends to get me angry because of my personal experiences, but that's life really, we tend to react more to things that we can relate to.

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