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July 30, 2011, 10:43:33 PM
#26
Your mistake was going public with it, Smalls. Why did you do that? If they said "Yes, we take checks", they would have effectively made that promise to everybody. There would have been all kinds of fraud. Now, if you had contacted them privately in the first place-- probably would have been no problem,

Wow! Taking checks now exposes one to fraud? That's a new one on me. Never dreamed it would have to be a dirty little secret just between me and them.

I was trying my best to find reasons to recommend them.
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July 30, 2011, 10:41:39 PM
#25
Foolish me for thinking you had sudenly turned polite.

Any firm that can not answer such a simple question as to their ability of sending checks back and for payments in public does not deserve my business.

Your hole just got pretty damned deep too. Good luck to you sir.
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Charlie 'Van Bitcoin' Shrem
July 30, 2011, 10:39:46 PM
#24
Your mistake was going public with it, Smalls. Why did you do that? If they said "Yes, we take checks", they would have effectively made that promise to everybody. There would have been all kinds of fraud. Now, if you had contacted them privately in the first place-- probably would have been no problem,

THANK YOU for explaining to him what I have been trying to say. He obviously didn't read my comments.
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July 30, 2011, 10:38:41 PM
#23
Your mistake was going public with it, Smalls. Why did you do that? If they said "Yes, we take checks", they would have effectively made that promise to everybody. There would have been all kinds of fraud. Now, if you had contacted them privately in the first place-- probably would have been no problem,
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Charlie 'Van Bitcoin' Shrem
July 30, 2011, 10:38:22 PM
#22
...and that's why I felt compelled to pull my admittedly meager funds out immediately.

Sadly I will be contacting all those that I have recommended TH to to recant.

How embarassing two in one week! Sheesh.

I've read your posts and I honestly don't understand what TradeHill did wrong to you.
All I read is how much you hate them and pulling your money out.
May I ask why?

You have read my posts and came up with that conclusion? May I suggest you go back and re-read them, this time for content?

I *love* how open they (TH) have been during this process. I take Dwolla as the bad guy here. But the fact is I have no safe way to get money into or out of TradeHill now unless I am willing to write a check for $10,000. I don't have those kinds of funds available to me nowadays.

Sheesh!

Some people would consider a Wire transfer safe, but not you....


I am not "some people". I have initiated scored of wire transfers, most of which have been less than satisfying processes, especially when considering the fees involved. I have also initiated scores of transactions with four different brokerage houses who all accepted my mailed checks and mailed me checks gladly at NO EXTRA CHARGE.

TradeHill is not a brokerage house.
However, under the Dwolla circumstances I do agree with you. They should temporarily figure out a way to accommodate you.
Have you tried contacting them directly? I know from experience they will jump over hoops for their customers.

Like I said I was completely *shocked* the answer was not "sure we'd be glad to".

I like them both, but that was 100% the wrong way to treat a concerned customer, no matter how insignificant I am at this time.

As you said, "may I suggest you re-read my post"
I will repeat my comment for you, Have you tried contacting them DIRECTLY and not making a post on this forum like you are king of the world.





at least give them a few days to make their final Dwolla withdrawals. At that point, you can be completely done with it.

Although I would LOVE for this to be the case, its just not possible. We're talking about hundrends of thousands of dollars. Should TradeHill risk all these funds and trust Dwolla when they have already screwed us?

Really? Again, assuming that Dwolla has not given Tradehill's account a complete negative balance (which they have not reported officially), how is Tradehill "risking all of these funds" by doing the following:

User A withdraws $1000 USD via Dwolla to Dwolla account xxx-xxx-xxx.

Tradehill adds $1000 USD funds to Dwolla account via bank transfer, sends money to User A.

User A withdraws money into personal bank account.

Done. Assuming Tradehill does not have a negative balance, they can do this just fine.

TradeHill cannot send a single dollar to Dwolla until Dwolla reimburses them the money they are owed and commits to no future chargebacks based on past transactions.
Would you continue doing business with your accountant if you find out he was skimming money from you?
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July 30, 2011, 10:35:08 PM
#21
...and that's why I felt compelled to pull my admittedly meager funds out immediately.

Sadly I will be contacting all those that I have recommended TH to to recant.

How embarassing two in one week! Sheesh.

I've read your posts and I honestly don't understand what TradeHill did wrong to you.
All I read is how much you hate them and pulling your money out.
May I ask why?

You have read my posts and came up with that conclusion? May I suggest you go back and re-read them, this time for content?

I *love* how open they (TH) have been during this process. I take Dwolla as the bad guy here. But the fact is I have no safe way to get money into or out of TradeHill now unless I am willing to write a check for $10,000. I don't have those kinds of funds available to me nowadays.

Sheesh!

Some people would consider a Wire transfer safe, but not you....


I am not "some people". I have initiated scored of wire transfers, most of which have been less than satisfying processes, especially when considering the fees involved. I have also initiated scores of transactions with four different brokerage houses who all accepted my mailed checks and mailed me checks gladly at NO EXTRA CHARGE.

TradeHill is not a brokerage house.
However, under the Dwolla circumstances I do agree with you. They should temporarily figure out a way to accommodate you.
Have you tried contacting them directly? I know from experience they will jump over hoops for their customers.

Like I said I was completely *shocked* the answer was not "sure we'd be glad to".

I like them both, but that was 100% the wrong way to treat a concerned customer, no matter how insignificant I am at this time.

To their credit the btc arrived in my wallet within minutes, not the 24 hours I had feared based on the wording on the website.
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July 30, 2011, 10:27:15 PM
#20
at least give them a few days to make their final Dwolla withdrawals. At that point, you can be completely done with it.

Although I would LOVE for this to be the case, its just not possible. We're talking about hundrends of thousands of dollars. Should TradeHill risk all these funds and trust Dwolla when they have already screwed us?

Really? Again, assuming that Dwolla has not given Tradehill's account a complete negative balance (which they have not reported officially), how is Tradehill "risking all of these funds" by doing the following:

User A withdraws $1000 USD via Dwolla to Dwolla account xxx-xxx-xxx.

Tradehill adds $1000 USD funds to Dwolla account via bank transfer, sends money to User A.

User A withdraws money into personal bank account.

Done. Assuming Tradehill does not have a negative balance, they can do this just fine.
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Charlie 'Van Bitcoin' Shrem
July 30, 2011, 10:25:58 PM
#19
...and that's why I felt compelled to pull my admittedly meager funds out immediately.

Sadly I will be contacting all those that I have recommended TH to to recant.

How embarassing two in one week! Sheesh.

I've read your posts and I honestly don't understand what TradeHill did wrong to you.
All I read is how much you hate them and pulling your money out.
May I ask why?

You have read my posts and came up with that conclusion? May I suggest you go back and re-read them, this time for content?

I *love* how open they (TH) have been during this process. I take Dwolla as the bad guy here. But the fact is I have no safe way to get money into or out of TradeHill now unless I am willing to write a check for $10,000. I don't have those kinds of funds available to me nowadays.

Sheesh!

Some people would consider a Wire transfer safe, but not you....


I am not "some people". I have initiated scored of wire transfers, most of which have been less than satisfying processes, especially when considering the fees involved. I have also initiated scores of transactions with four different brokerage houses who all accepted my mailed checks and mailed me checks gladly at NO EXTRA CHARGE.

TradeHill is not a brokerage house.
However, under the Dwolla circumstances I do agree with you. They should temporarily figure out a way to accommodate you.
Have you tried contacting them directly? I know from experience they will jump over hoops for their customers.
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July 30, 2011, 10:23:33 PM
#18
Just piping in to say: thanks a ton for the notice TH, really lovely of you ... o_O
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July 30, 2011, 10:21:25 PM
#17
...and that's why I felt compelled to pull my admittedly meager funds out immediately.

Sadly I will be contacting all those that I have recommended TH to to recant.

How embarassing two in one week! Sheesh.

I've read your posts and I honestly don't understand what TradeHill did wrong to you.
All I read is how much you hate them and pulling your money out.
May I ask why?

You have read my posts and came up with that conclusion? May I suggest you go back and re-read them, this time for content?

I *love* how open they (TH) have been during this process. I take Dwolla as the bad guy here. But the fact is I have no safe way to get money into or out of TradeHill now unless I am willing to write a check for $10,000. I don't have those kinds of funds available to me nowadays.

Sheesh!

Some people would consider a Wire transfer safe, but not you....


I am not "some people". I have initiated scored of wire transfers, most of which have been less than satisfying processes, especially when considering the fees involved. I have also initiated scores of transactions with four different brokerage houses who all accepted my mailed checks and mailed me checks gladly at NO EXTRA CHARGE.

Accepting and providing checks is special treatment? Remind me not to do business with you sir.
legendary
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Charlie 'Van Bitcoin' Shrem
July 30, 2011, 10:21:18 PM
#16
at least give them a few days to make their final Dwolla withdrawals. At that point, you can be completely done with it.

Although I would LOVE for this to be the case, its just not possible. We're talking about hundrends of thousands of dollars. Should TradeHill risk all these funds and trust Dwolla when they have already screwed us?
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July 30, 2011, 10:19:28 PM
#15
I once again reiterate...I know there are at least several others with similar concerns as mine.

Tradehill- If possible....you managed to hold onto Dwolla withdrawals for a little while after discontinuing deposits. Email all users, and at least give them a few days to make their final Dwolla withdrawals. At that point, you can be completely done with it.
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Charlie 'Van Bitcoin' Shrem
July 30, 2011, 10:17:37 PM
#14
...and that's why I felt compelled to pull my admittedly meager funds out immediately.

Sadly I will be contacting all those that I have recommended TH to to recant.

How embarassing two in one week! Sheesh.

I've read your posts and I honestly don't understand what TradeHill did wrong to you.
All I read is how much you hate them and pulling your money out.
May I ask why?

You have read my posts and came up with that conclusion? May I suggest you go back and re-read them, this time for content?

I *love* how open they (TH) have been during this process. I take Dwolla as the bad guy here. But the fact is I have no safe way to get money into or out of TradeHill now unless I am willing to write a check for $10,000. I don't have those kinds of funds available to me nowadays.

Sheesh!

Some people would consider a Wire transfer safe, but not you....

Quote
Please note this question, to which I *fully* expected that both questions would be answered with a resounding "YES NO PROBLEM". Instead I got a smartassed retort ABOUT NEEDING A MINIMUM OF $5,000!

Instead of trying to get special treatment and making a stupid public post, why don't you email or skype them and wait like everyone else.

Sheesh!

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July 30, 2011, 10:11:41 PM
#13
...and that's why I felt compelled to pull my admittedly meager funds out immediately.

Sadly I will be contacting all those that I have recommended TH to to recant.

How embarassing two in one week! Sheesh.

I've read your posts and I honestly don't understand what TradeHill did wrong to you.
All I read is how much you hate them and pulling your money out.
May I ask why?

You have read my posts and came up with that conclusion? May I suggest you go back and re-read them, this time for content?

I *love* how open they (TH) have been during this process. I take Dwolla as the bad guy here. But the fact is I have no safe way to get money into or out of TradeHill now unless I am willing to write a check for $5,000. I don't have those kinds of funds available to me nowadays.

Please note this question, to which I *fully* expected that both questions would be answered with a resounding "YES NO PROBLEM". Instead I got a smartassed retort ABOUT NEEDING A MINIMUM OF $5,000!

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=33086.msg413819#msg413819

Sheesh!
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July 30, 2011, 10:08:00 PM
#12
Let us say I am a bank. I have thousands of customers who use online banking for a variety of reasons. One day, as the CEO and decision maker for the company...I decide that to protect my users I must disable online banking as it is too easy for people to be keylogged and have their accounts hacked into.

So guess what, I am going to just pull the plug.

Oops. I just lost a large amount of business because my customers relied on online banking, and had no notice to prepare for the change.

If you're going to be hypothetical, at least actually come up with a situation that isn't massively different in a way that was clearly chosen to favor your argument...

How about you try a logical analogy, instead of an intentionally incorrect one?

Let us say you are a store. You have thousands of customers who order online with all the gift cards they got given for birthdays. One day, you discover that UPS is stealing large numbers of the packages you ship out, so you drop them as a carrier.

Gee, you look like a lot less of a jerk in the hypothetical when your decision was based on someone else's action...

If I was losing money in the process of shipping these packages, then I would understand dropping them as a carrier. If it was the customers entire responsibility, and they had to deal with UPS themselves, then I would do the correct thing and provide a notice ahead of time before removing the option to ship via UPS.

Is Tradehill losing money by allowing withdrawals via Dwolla? No.

May I lose money by using Dwolla, if these claims turn out to be true and Dwolla is a scam? Yes.

Is it my responsibility if I lose money in my Dwolla account? Yes.

Is it Tradehill's responsibility? No. They send the money, then at that point it is on me. So fine, they can act like the "good guys" and stop the withdrawals. At least give me some notice.

They took action to plug a fraud hole that had already cost them tens of thousands of dollars. They also promised to spend their own money to make sure that their customers won't directly lose any of that money. As a result, some people are temporarily inconvenienced. Get over it.

It isn't a "temporary inconvenience" when you are dealing with people's money. It is a major inconvenience, and a bad business practice.

Also, is Joel an official Tradehill employee? If this wasn't speculation regarding the negative balance, why does a non-employee have insider information regarding their situation with Dwolla?

It's not that difficult to come up with that on your own.

You need to realize that what TradeHill did was for your benefit, not theirs.


Let us say I am a bank. I have thousands of customers who use online banking for a variety of reasons. One day, as the CEO and decision maker for the company...I decide that to protect my users I must disable online banking as it is too easy for people to be keylogged and have their accounts hacked into.

So guess what, I am going to just pull the plug.

Oops. I just lost a large amount of business because my customers relied on online banking, and had no notice to prepare for the change.


TradeHill removed one of their many withdrawal methods, they didn't, as you say, "just pull the plug"
 


So if as a bank I decide one day without notice to not allow ATM deposits/withdrawals and online banking transactions to move money in and out of a bank account, but still allow teller transactions (hey, it is still a deposit/withdrawal method...) it makes it okay?
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Charlie 'Van Bitcoin' Shrem
July 30, 2011, 10:06:30 PM
#11
...and that's why I felt compelled to pull my admittedly meager funds out immediately.

Sadly I will be contacting all those that I have recommended TH to to recant.

How embarassing two in one week! Sheesh.

I've read your posts and I honestly don't understand what TradeHill did wrong to you.
All I read is how much you hate them and pulling your money out.
May I ask why?
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July 30, 2011, 10:04:14 PM
#10
They took action to plug a fraud hole that had already cost them tens of thousands of dollars. They also promised to spend their own money to make sure that their customers won't directly lose any of that money. As a result, some people are temporarily inconvenienced. Get over it.
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July 30, 2011, 10:03:07 PM
#9
...and that's why I felt compelled to pull my admittedly meager funds out immediately.

Sadly I will be contacting all those that I have recommended TH to to recant.

How embarassing two in one week! Sheesh.
legendary
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Charlie 'Van Bitcoin' Shrem
July 30, 2011, 09:59:50 PM
#8
Also, is Joel an official Tradehill employee? If this wasn't speculation regarding the negative balance, why does a non-employee have insider information regarding their situation with Dwolla?

It's not that difficult to come up with that on your own.

You need to realize that what TradeHill did was for your benefit, not theirs.


Let us say I am a bank. I have thousands of customers who use online banking for a variety of reasons. One day, as the CEO and decision maker for the company...I decide that to protect my users I must disable online banking as it is too easy for people to be keylogged and have their accounts hacked into.

So guess what, I am going to just pull the plug.

Oops. I just lost a large amount of business because my customers relied on online banking, and had no notice to prepare for the change.

Dude your parable dosen't equally equate with the point your trying to make. Try again....
TradeHill removed one of their many withdrawal methods, they didn't, as you say, "just pull the plug"

Now, you may argue that Dwolla is one of their more popular methods. Again, I agree with you.
You may think that TradeHill's methods of contact are wrong, but thats your opinion.

In reality, word gets out on these forums alot faster than most places I know  Wink

 
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July 30, 2011, 09:59:41 PM
#7
Let us say I am a bank. I have thousands of customers who use online banking for a variety of reasons. One day, as the CEO and decision maker for the company...I decide that to protect my users I must disable online banking as it is too easy for people to be keylogged and have their accounts hacked into.

So guess what, I am going to just pull the plug.

Oops. I just lost a large amount of business because my customers relied on online banking, and had no notice to prepare for the change.

If you're going to be hypothetical, at least actually come up with a situation that isn't massively different in a way that was clearly chosen to favor your argument...

How about you try a logical analogy, instead of an intentionally incorrect one?

Let us say you are a store. You have thousands of customers who order online with all the gift cards they got given for birthdays. One day, you discover that UPS is stealing large numbers of the packages you ship out, so you drop them as a carrier.

Gee, you look like a lot less of a jerk in the hypothetical when your decision was based on someone else's action...
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