If I happened to owned bitcoincentral.com, but did nothing with it, and a similarly named entity came along and developed an enterprise around it, I would have offered the domain I had control of to them first, taking the first, and hopefully, best offer from them. This thought process only applies to Bitcoin entities, for in a different world I would press for a prevailing price point.
On a similar note, edd owns the domain bitcoin100.org, and I pay for hosting and provide the content. If Ed was offered some big chuck of change for the domain, I'm sure he would make me known of that fact first, seeing if I can come close to the offer price. If I can't, I would have no problem with letting him move forward with the sale, hopefully having him donate some coins toward the newly branded Bitcoin 100 hosted with a new domain name that I (the organization) would have control of.
With the exception of the above, I'll refrain from taking sides in this dispute, hoping that it'll be formidably resolved in a timely manner.
~Bruno K~
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$1000 for a domain like that when it would be better for your business than your current one is actually very cheap, I have seen and participated in similar situations and when it was all finished the domain ended up going for around 10 times that.
You don't price domain by cost you price them by looking at hits, hits on the site of the business with the similar domain, usefulness and relevance then taking all of that and doing some best effort guessing. Alternatively you put it up for auction and let the business which might want it bid for it like anyone else, usually that works out better in the end since it's quicker and usually cheaper.
In this case you were offered the chance to grab it for the price it was going at auction which is pretty amazingly nice of them, like above and beyond nice.
You don't price domain by cost you price them by looking at hits, hits on the site of the business with the similar domain, usefulness and relevance then taking all of that and doing some best effort guessing. Alternatively you put it up for auction and let the business which might want it bid for it like anyone else, usually that works out better in the end since it's quicker and usually cheaper.
In this case you were offered the chance to grab it for the price it was going at auction which is pretty amazingly nice of them, like above and beyond nice.
I see both sides, but honestly, it was a dick move to sell the domain to anyone but Bitcoin Central. You KNOW it will be used for phishing. You KNOW some Bitcoin users will be scammed by this. And yet you do it anyway, all for a thousand bucks. Hope you're happy with it and can still sleep at night, anyway...
If I'd sold it for the price davout wanted then I'd be down around $20 now.
What would have seemed fair to me would have been your actual costs +50%, something like that.
How does your actual costs +50% (or something like that) bring you down $20?
Kind of reminds me of the popstar/rapper name issue. And I'm firmly of the belief that the received wisdom from that debate applies here: doesn't matter who had the name first, it's who does something with the name that counts. One person has a viable business, the other has a domain name (and presumably no ideas as to how they can make use of it, other than selling the rights). It's pretty obvious who deserves to be rewarded out of those two people.
I see both sides, but honestly, it was a dick move to sell the domain to anyone but Bitcoin Central. You KNOW it will be used for phishing. You KNOW some Bitcoin users will be scammed by this. And yet you do it anyway, all for a thousand bucks. Hope you're happy with it and can still sleep at night, anyway...
If I'd sold it for the price davout wanted then I'd be down around $20 now.
I see both sides, but honestly, it was a dick move to sell the domain to anyone but Bitcoin Central. You KNOW it will be used for phishing. You KNOW some Bitcoin users will be scammed by this. And yet you do it anyway, all for a thousand bucks. Hope you're happy with it and can still sleep at night, anyway...
Too bad karma can't pay your bills, right? 
A thousand bucks doesn't sound out of line to me. Didn't bitcoin.de go for more than $20,000 over a year ago?
so we can expect a phishing site at that adress real soon now?
yupI attempted to contact rip the owner of bitcoin-central.net off
FTFYAlso go fuck yourself.
You're staff and use that kind of langage ?
Your sig tell about french not having a word for entrepreneur.. FYE : For Your Education, the word is Entrepreneur !
I believe he just included that line for humor purposes: http://www.snopes.com/quotes/bush.asp
I see both sides, but honestly, it was a dick move to sell the domain to anyone but Bitcoin Central. You KNOW it will be used for phishing. You KNOW some Bitcoin users will be scammed by this. And yet you do it anyway, all for a thousand bucks. Hope you're happy with it and can still sleep at night, anyway...
Too bad karma can't pay your bills, right? 
so we can expect a phishing site at that adress real soon now?
yupI attempted to contact rip the owner of bitcoin-central.net off
FTFYAlso go fuck yourself.
You're staff and use that kind of langage ?
Your sig tell about french not having a word for entrepreneur.. FYE : For Your Education, the word is Entrepreneur !
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FTFY
Also go fuck yourself.
Also go fuck yourself.
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No name was stolen, a brand got built though, and AFAIK it was here first
etc...I for one will think twice before using your service from now on, seeng your unprofessional attitude here.
I was thinking the same. I will not use bitcoin-central.net and will not recommend it to anyone.
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I also quit using bitcoin-central because of davout's childish behavior here on the forums. Long ago, that is.
Ditto. Its hilariously unprofessional to just scream 'go fuck yourself' at someone who makes you an offer, and in the public eye. If the offer was too much/overpriced or whatever, should have just been like 'lol no thanks' and left it at that. Totally uncalled for, especially when you didnt even respond to him (her?) at all. Why would anyone want to do business with you if your just going to be a total bitch when a deal doesn't sound good to you?
How would you have "held me over the coals" ?
I'm saying $1000 is a rip-off (as in overpriced, not as in scam) when there's already a website and a brand that exist and that it can reasonably assumed that the use that will be made of it will be phishing. My words might have been a little strong, but I still consider that a form of cyber-squatting, which is perfectly legal, but not very respectable IMO.
I'm saying $1000 is a rip-off (as in overpriced, not as in scam) when there's already a website and a brand that exist and that it can reasonably assumed that the use that will be made of it will be phishing. My words might have been a little strong, but I still consider that a form of cyber-squatting, which is perfectly legal, but not very respectable IMO.
Actually if you are going to rebrand then I guess I couldn't of. Not like I would of in the first place, but many domain owners demand unreasonable sums of money for domains names, especially of established brands.
If you think $1000 for this name is unreasonable then you should have countered in my email. I would have accepted $850 since that's all I got after Sedo's ridiculous 15% fee.
I think $1000 would have been a good investment if it was only to protect your customers from potential phishing.
It is cyber-squatting which I dislike. Hence my attempts to sell to the brand owner who deserves the domain since I didn't use it.
davout seriously. now that you are no longer just a guy, but a financial business owner, you have to up your game in regards to professionalism.
everyone knows that we are all human and that in private we all scream and shout obscenities and joke around, but now you cannot just respond to a comment 'on a whim' you have to think about the wording of it as it can affect your business.
inaba (BFL) has half countered his loss of business credibility by informing the forums that he will use the BFL_josh name for official announcemets, but even then. his personality still reigns through.
so try to limit the petty bickering's to a minimal and ensure that each message you write on behalf of bitcoin central, has all the relevant points, that you would not need to retract, or explain meanings of in later posts.
if your business becomes a great success, you would not like the mainstream media google searching your posts to create negative propoganda
everyone knows that we are all human and that in private we all scream and shout obscenities and joke around, but now you cannot just respond to a comment 'on a whim' you have to think about the wording of it as it can affect your business.
inaba (BFL) has half countered his loss of business credibility by informing the forums that he will use the BFL_josh name for official announcemets, but even then. his personality still reigns through.
so try to limit the petty bickering's to a minimal and ensure that each message you write on behalf of bitcoin central, has all the relevant points, that you would not need to retract, or explain meanings of in later posts.
if your business becomes a great success, you would not like the mainstream media google searching your posts to create negative propoganda
For 1000$ i would have bought it. (i mean, if i was bitcoin-central).
However i have no idea of the size of your business et all. Just, i typed that domain in the address bar when i first registered at your exchange. Fortunately it was parked and not activelly tryng to scam me, because most probably they would at least have my ID by now.
However i have no idea of the size of your business et all. Just, i typed that domain in the address bar when i first registered at your exchange. Fortunately it was parked and not activelly tryng to scam me, because most probably they would at least have my ID by now.
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FTFY
Also go fuck yourself.
Also go fuck yourself.
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No name was stolen, a brand got built though, and AFAIK it was here first
etc...I for one will think twice before using your service from now on, seeng your unprofessional attitude here.
I was thinking the same. I will not use bitcoin-central.net and will not recommend it to anyone.
+2
I also quit using bitcoin-central because of davout's childish behavior here on the forums. Long ago, that is.
Actually if you are going to rebrand then I guess I couldn't of. Not like I would of in the first place, but many domain owners demand unreasonable sums of money for domains names, especially of established brands.
I mean if there was no rebrand in the pipeline, how would you have done that ? $1000 is unreasonable.
If you think $1000 for this name is unreasonable then you should have countered in my email. I would have accepted $850 since that's all I got after Sedo's ridiculous 15% fee.
$100 would already have seemed pricey to me. What would have seemed fair to me would have been your actual costs +50%, something like that.What would have happened after, someone offering bitcoin-central.io for $2000? What next, secure-bitcoin-central.net for $500? And then bticoin-central.net for $1500?
I think $1000 would have been a good investment if it was only to protect your customers from potential phishing.
Hah, no.It is cyber-squatting which I dislike. Hence my attempts to sell to the brand owner who deserves the domain since I didn't use it.
That's pretty much the point of cyber-squatting, sell a domain to the brand owner with a nice profit.What sets you apart from a cyber-squatter though, is that apparently you owned the domain before I even started developing BC.
So there was obviously no intent to cyber-squat. But that doesn't really matter since from my POV the result is the exact same.
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FTFY
Also go fuck yourself.
Also go fuck yourself.
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No name was stolen, a brand got built though, and AFAIK it was here first
etc...I for one will think twice before using your service from now on, seeng your unprofessional attitude here.
I was thinking the same. I will not use bitcoin-central.net and will not recommend it to anyone.
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FTFY
Also go fuck yourself.
Also go fuck yourself.
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No name was stolen, a brand got built though, and AFAIK it was here first
etc...I for one will think twice before using your service from now on, seeng your unprofessional attitude here.
How would you have "held me over the coals" ?
I'm saying $1000 is a rip-off (as in overpriced, not as in scam) when there's already a website and a brand that exist and that it can reasonably assumed that the use that will be made of it will be phishing. My words might have been a little strong, but I still consider that a form of cyber-squatting, which is perfectly legal, but not very respectable IMO.
I'm saying $1000 is a rip-off (as in overpriced, not as in scam) when there's already a website and a brand that exist and that it can reasonably assumed that the use that will be made of it will be phishing. My words might have been a little strong, but I still consider that a form of cyber-squatting, which is perfectly legal, but not very respectable IMO.
Actually if you are going to rebrand then I guess I couldn't of. Not like I would of in the first place, but many domain owners demand unreasonable sums of money for domains names, especially of established brands.
If you think $1000 for this name is unreasonable then you should have countered in my email. I would have accepted $850 since that's all I got after Sedo's ridiculous 15% fee.
I think $1000 would have been a good investment if it was only to protect your customers from potential phishing.
It is cyber-squatting which I dislike. Hence my attempts to sell to the brand owner who deserves the domain since I didn't use it.
This domain has been registered since July 18, 2010. If anything, bitcoin-central.net stole the name from the OP as it was registered 4 months later.
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