Topic: Publicly held Trump trials - ongoing - page 18. (Read 4800 times)

False, being a ward of the court does not mean anything like that. You are way out of your understanding of legal maters. You do have the right to say whatever you want when asked.

Judges are not interfering with Trump running for candidate, they are judging him for more than 50 felonies. It is such an stupid argument -  all any criminal would need to do is run for office and be free of being processed.

^^^ Powell is an attorney. She knows the law attorney-style, because that was the way she was trained. But attorney-ism is only one slice of the pie, and he judges understand this.

CORPUS JURIS SECUNDUM (CJS) is the second major law encyclopedia in the US. It is rather public, and can be found in all law libraries of significance, and many regular libraries. Take a look at what you do when you hire an attorney to fight for you in a legal case - https://www.youarelaw.org/Download/CorpusJurisSecundum-AttorneyClient.pdf.

The essence of the several CJS court and legal sites shown at the above website is, when you become the client of an attorney, you become a ward of the court. This means that you don't have any standing to do or say anything that the court doesn't want you to say... your attorneys are under the jurisdiction of the judge, who can disbar them if they don't obey his orders.. So, since Powell hired attorneys to represent her, she doesn't have the right to do anything other than what the court tells her to do.

It's as simple as that. And it is the same for Trump except for one thing. The judges and courts don't have any authority to interfere with a person running for the office of the Presidency. In Trump's case, the trial is a sham until after the 2024 elections, or after the end of his term if he wins. He knows it and they know it.

Last night I took a look at the leaked recorded testimony of Powell under oath and I must say it is quite impressive how she dared to say she was forced to plea guilty by prosecutors, that woman does not seem to be mentally well.
During her declarations one can easily see she is calm and not being extremely pressured by interviewers, but that is just a side story, keeping in mind what is going on in Trump world.

So far, left right news and media have been pushing the narrative Trump actually had plans to remain in power, regardless of the status of his lawsuits in different states where he claimed fraud took place,mthst theory being fueled by the collaboration of His co-conspirators. I am not sure whether he are yet in a phase of the trial where we are supposed to draw such serious conclusions, but it is clear the rise of popularity of Trump (in the polls) is alarming to those who do not agree with his second term run.

Elise Stefanik wants to run for VP it seems.  

Former prosecutor on Stefanik’s ethics complaint against NY fraud judge: ‘She knows better’


https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4305179-former-prosecutor-on-elise-stefaniks-ethics-complaint-ny-fraud-trial/

Things happening in the Trump trials. This first link is different than the article, below. BREAKING IN GEORGIA! Lawyers withdraw!! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7q_ZyhBnYE.


Stefanik Hits "Radical Leftist" Trump Judge With Ethics Complaint

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https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stefanik-hits-radical-leftist-trump-judge-ethics-complaint
While the jury is still out over whether the wife of Judge Arthur Engoron made anti-Trump posts on X, Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-NY) has filed an ethics complaint against judge himself, accusing him of displaying "inappropriate bias and judicial intemperance" towards the former president in his civil fraud trial taking place in New York.

"I filed an official judicial complaint against Judge Arthur Engoron for his inappropriate bias and judicial intemperance in New York's disgraceful lawsuit against President Donald J. Trump and the Trump Organization," Stefanik told NBC News. "Americans are sick and tired of the blatant corruption by radical Leftist judges in NY. All New Yorkers must speak out against the dangerous weaponized lawfare against President Trump."

According to the complaint, Engoron has exhibited "clear judicial bias" against Trump, including telling Trump's attorney that the former president is "just a bad guy," who NY Attorney General Letitia James "should go after."

"Simply put, Judge Engoron has displayed a clear judicial bias against the defendant throughout the case, breaking several rules in the New York Code of Judicial Conduct," reads the letter.

"Judge Engoron entered summary judgment against the defendant before the trial even began, without witnesses, other evidence, and cross-examination," she continued, noting that this was "despite the fact there's disputed material evidence–and there's no victim of the defendant's supposed fraud. "

Stefanik also notes that Engoron and his staff are "partisan Democrat donors," and that Engoron himself, as recently as 2018, "donated to the Manhattan Democrats."
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That's what Jack Smith is saying too.

Trumps lawyers are literally arguing in court that that the Washington DC charges should be thrown out because for all the crimes he's been charged with involve his official actions as president and therefore he should be immune from criminal prosecution.

Jack Smith says he was acting as a candidate and working for his re election campaign, which is separate from office of the president.

Actually, there is a big difference between Trump accusations and Hillary accusations.

Trump has done very little wrong regarding his governmental operations. And, he has done a lot of good - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55119252. In addition, Trump is in favor of Making America Great Again - MAGA.

Hillary did a lot of bad in government... One example is the Benghazi episode - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Benghazi+Hillary&t=ffab&ia=web. And outside of government, she wants to make American freedom - MAGA - go away. She calls it a cult - Hillary Clinton: "There Needs To Be A Formal Deprogramming" Of The Trump Cult Members - https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/351830-2023-10-07-hillary-clinton-there-needs-to-be-a-formal-deprogramming-of.htm.

You are mixing government stuff with personal stuff. The Trump trials are personal stuff. So:

1. Trump personal stuff: maybe a little bad, but maybe not bad at all. The verdict isn't in, yet;
2. Trump government stuff: good.

3. Hillary personal stuff: bad;
4. Hillary government stuff: bad.

Trump is right, and probably good.


Trump On Trial: Let The Kangaroo Court Continue!

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http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2023/november/06/trump-on-trial-let-the-kangaroo-court-continue/
Former President Donald Trump is expected to testify today in the New York civil case revolving around the alleged elevated valuation of his business empire. While the lawfare against Trump increases...so do his poll numbers! Also today: Blinken in Baghdad...he wasn't greeted as a liberator. Watch today's Liberty Report:
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I do remember Trump in an electoral debate saying to Hilary - "you are going to jail" and for much much less than what he is accused of and with much much less evidence of any offence. I think that the good thing about the trial in New York is that all the evidence is in written so only those who are willing to simply ignore anything that is not to their liking can keep defending the guy and thinking he is not a felon.

I kinda want to thank you, Hipo, especially if you are talking about me. I mean, when somebody is important enough that his personal political ideals should be checked, rather than the good/bad he is doing... well, that's pretty important.

Trump's political ideals have been described >>> MAGA. And it shows in all the good things he was doing for his country - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55119252.

But anybody can see the big bad things that the current regime is doing to their country. All a person needs do is expand a little on the things that OgNasty posted here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5391975.280.

So, what do you think? Is the way a person puts his pants on more important that the things he does for or against his country? Are you going to focus on the way the guy sits on the toilet?... or what he does that affects the people of his country and the world? It seems like you are moving from what is important into ad-hominem attacks. Why skip the ad-hominem? Because everybody makes mistakes as well as doing good things. What's important is the BIG good he is doing for others.

So, with regard to whatever affects America and her people, look at the evidence between Trump and Biden. Look also at what Americans are legally, lawfully, and peacefully doing about it (second site, below). The next step is Americans legally sliding out from under the oppression of their government.


https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/353375-2023-11-06-democrats-panic-as-poll-shows-trump-defeating-biden-with-300.htm

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https://banned.video/watch?id=65483725bfe840c0735883e1
Guest host Royce White breaks down the Democrats panicking over the political fallout of the latest New York Times poll showing Trump trouncing Biden with 300 electoral college votes in a hypothetical 2024 matchup just one year out from the election.
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I mean, noones likes to be called out for anything, even though one knows one is not in the right direction but actually at fault. You call a thief a thief and they will lash out against you.
He is free to think and believe whatever he wants, as long as he repects other's people views. The problem starts when his views are so incompatible with the current political correctness, so he starts to perceive himself to be mistreated by society and comes to the conclusion there are demons roaming around the streets.
Granted, there is much evil in this planet and we should be aware of it, but when one can only talk bad things about one's society and country under a particular administration, then it is time to check one's political ideas.

I'm guessing when BADecker refers to "deep state crimes", he means that society now calls him out on being a bigot and places limitations on his access to firearms.

oH tHe HuMaNiTy!  

People lying on their forms, devaluing their properties when it’s time to pay taxes and overvalue them when looking to the bank for a loan isn’t average people doing tiny manipulations. And it’s not about the average person as the average person would have long faced some consequences.
If there’s anyone’s freedom being taken away, it’s the freedom of women to choose what’s best for them concerning abortion. It’s about time Trump is held accountable for his many many wrong doings.

Care lo elaborate?
Is that a reference of people having to go out their way to face inflation and other economical problems? or perhaps do you mean other things, like the fight for the right of abortion, etc?

How is the Deep State exactly doing these things like taking away the freedom to live from the average people of the United States? Honestly, if the United States was not a first world country and one of the biggest examples of democracies in this century, I would assume you are talking about extrajudicial executions, like those one can hear about from countries going through very dangerous social crises.

Anything which is going on there, I hope it never reach a point when the things you maybe implying actually end up happening.

Deep state lol.
Trump has been indicted by multiple grand juries across multiple jurisdictions for both federal and state felonies.  If convicted on just a few of the nearly 100 charges he could easily spend the rest of his life in prison (although he will most likely spend the rest of his life in the White House or dragging out appeals).  Not so piddly imo.

In Florida:

31 counts of willful retention of national defense information under the Espionage Act
One count of conspiracy to obstruct justice
One count of withholding a document or record
One count of corruptly concealing a document in a federal investigation
One count of concealing a document in a federal investigation
One count of scheming to conceal
One count of making false statements and representations for allegedly causing his lawyer to certify that all classified documents had been turned over to federal authorities on June 3

In Georgia:

Violating Georgia's racketeering act
Solicitation of violation of oath by public officer
Conspiracy to impersonate a public officer
Conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree
False statements and writings and filing false documents

In DC:




Remember when they used to chant that?

^^^ However, the thing that we are seeing is that people recognize that Trump's faults are not nearly as bad as the faults of the Deep State. It shows in the fact that the DS are bringing piddly little charges against Trump, while they are doing much bigger crimes than Trump could ever think of.

Average people are doing tiny things like the manipulations that Trump is being accused of. They are doing them just to live. And the reason they have to do them to live is, the Deep State is taking away their freedom even to live. So, they will be siding with Trump, who actually gave them freedom... at least to a great extent.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/02/donald-trump-jr-day-two-testimony-fraud-trial
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/02/nyregion/eric-trump-donald-jr-fraud-trial.html


Trump sons are trying to blame the accountants for the valuations and other fraudulent activities. They could very well say - "hey I was just enjoying the life of the rich, I did not know I had to know about the money you know?".


Just in case, for people who may not be familiar with the US system - you cannot discharge your faults on to your accountant. If an accountant prepares your tax return and these are not correct, it is you who gets audited and it is you who can even serve time in prison - not to mention pay hefty fines.

I tend to agree with TwitchySeal on this one. Again, I am not a lawyer, nor live in the United States, but from what I have learnt from previous criminal cases I have read about co-defendants take guilty pleas can only be bad news for the rest of those who are not willing to also take a deal with prosecutors, and since we all know Donald Trump will not take any deal from prosecutors, his situation will only worsen as people continue to choose to flip on him and offer their testimony under oath.

Also, even though Powell pleaded guilty in court, she declared she was a victim of extortion and thrus she pleaded that way. I assume such out of court declarations do not have any influence on her pleading status, do they?

Why guilty pleas in Georgia 2020 election interference case pose significant risk to Donald Trump

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-codefendants-guilty-pleas-georgia-criminal-case-2020-election/
The first defectors from Donald Trump's Georgia criminal case pose significant risk to the former president because they include "senior participants" in the alleged scheme to overthrow the 2020 election, experts say.

Former Trump attorney Jenna Ellis was the latest to agree to testify in any trials related to the case, which revolves around efforts to thwart Georgia's 2020 election after Trump lost. Trump and 18 others were charged Aug. 15 by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, and accused of operating a "criminal enterprise" that conspired to overturn the election.

Now, four members of that alleged racket have agreed to cooperate against the other 15.

Two other lawyers involved with the effort, Sidney Powell and Kenneth Chesebro, and a bail bondsman named Scott Hall, also entered guilty pleas in recent weeks.

Attorney Norm Eisen described the lawyers as "senior participants" in two different facets of the alleged crimes: the effort to portray Trump as the winner, and the effort to have former Vice President Mike Pence use false electors to certify Trump as the winner.

"With the pleas of the three lawyers, the rug is pulled out from under both of those legs," said Eisen, a co-founder of States United Democracy Center, a nonpartisan advocacy organization focused on elections. "That's because Powell and Ellis were two of the primary pushers of the false facts, and Chesebro of the false legal theory."

Ellis said at her sentencing Tuesday that "I failed to do my due diligence" in agreeing to work on Trump's behalf in 2020.

"If I knew then what I know now, I would have declined to represent Donald Trump in these post-election challenges. I look back on this whole experience with deep remorse," Ellis said.

Georgia State University law professor Anthony Michael Kreis said Ellis' and other confessions are "a huge boon for the D.A. when this goes to trial as prosecutors work to secure convictions."

"It also makes the case harder to attack politically as individuals are now on the record about their culpability in the scheme to overturn the election," Kreis said.

If the list of guilty pleas grows, it could mean big problems for Trump.

"That would be a very troubling development for Donald Trump, who will likely have to face multiple self-admitted co-conspirators on the witness stand testifying about his role," Kreis said.

Dominoes falling toward Trump
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No contradiction. Part of the "team" does not necessarily make her his lawyer. Besides, this doesn't have anything to do with the things that the Deep State are trying to do.


New guilty pleas unlikely to bolster Georgia case against Trump

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https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-10-31-guilty-pleas-unlikely-boost-georgia-case-trump.html
Three former legal advisers to ex-President Donald Trump have recently entered guilty pleas in an ongoing criminal case in Fulton County, Georgia. However, legal experts, including former prosecutor David Gelman, believe that these plea deals are unlikely to significantly impact the prosecution's case against the former president.

In August, Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis charged Trump and 18 other individuals, accusing them of conspiring to unlawfully overturn Georgia's 2020 election results. (Related: Donald Trump pleads not guilty to ginned-up charges of attempting to overturn 2020 election results.)

Attorney Sydney Powell, who supported efforts to challenge the 2020 election results, pleaded guilty on Oct. 19 to six misdemeanor charges.

The following day, attorney Kenneth Chesebro accepted a plea deal, admitting to one felony count of conspiracy to commit filing false documents.

Jenna Ellis, another attorney who supported Trump's efforts to challenge the 2020 election results, also pleaded guilty on Oct. 24 to a single felony count of aiding and abetting false statements and writings.

Scott Hall, a bail bondsman charged in the Fulton County case, also entered a plea deal last month, acknowledging responsibility for five misdemeanor counts of conspiracy to commit intentional interference with the performance of election duties.

As part of their plea agreements, Chesebro, Hall, Powell and Ellis have agreed to testify for the prosecution as the case proceeds against Trump and the remaining co-defendants.

David Gelman, a former assistant county prosecutor and now a defense attorney, suggested that the early plea deals might be a strategy to pressure other defendants in the case to cooperate and potentially isolate Trump legally.

Plea deals are not rare
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To me it is more impressive how Trump is willing to say that Powell was never his lawyer or never represented his campaign whatsoever, when in reality there is digital evidence and even video of Trump and Rudy, claiming Powell was part of their team to find the alledged fraud which occurred during the 2020 election.
Of course, it only happened after Trump himself learn about Powell plea deal and possible future cooperation with prosecutors. He does not even care there is video contradicting his statements, I wonder to what extent his followers believe she was never a lawyer for Trump...