Putin could nuke Ukraine like US nuked Japan

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Quote from: cabron on April 10, 2022, 09:42:34 PM

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Also, Japan is across the Pacific from America. Ukraine is just next-door to Russia.

Japan, America, and Russia are actually closer than we think. Russia and Japan have border issues and Russia even owns Alaska once upon a time because it's just right next to the border of Canada. https://ibb.co/P5swF2p They could actually just fight right in the icy lands and not disturb any country in the Northpole as thier battlefield but they choose to destroy some like Ukraine.

Yes I know but what I'm saying is that the danger of fallout and other contamination is more for Russia should it nuke Ukraine than what the US got after it nuked Japan which is separated by the ocean.

Quote from: KingScorpio on April 10, 2022, 11:38:10 AM

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when he is being pushed into a corner anything can happen, putin is considering ukraine as fashists and neonazis and enemies to russian freedom,

he is not different than american social justice warriors, if you have two people and they are supposed to run their country both can't be the bank

one has to be the worker and the other one the banker. can't work different

peace only exists as long as there is someone that either voluntarily or somehow on drugs becomes the worker that does the crappy labour.

Well there's that, he does come across as being slightly unpredictable.

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Quote from: cabron on April 12, 2022, 11:46:37 PM

That is if Germany, UK and France has the balls to stop US from interfering their rights. EU is still under US we have recently seen it, when Joe says Nordstream will be stopped, Germany just silently cried himself not minding the Billions they have spent for it and shut down by an outsider.

Germany must follow America's lead. There are many reasons behind this. The United States has about 40,000 troops stationed in Germany. About 15,000 Americans live permanently in Germany. This is America's highest presence in any country outside of America. Germany also has wide participation in NATO. There is not much option left for Germany not to listen to the USA.

Quote from: cabron on April 12, 2022, 11:46:37 PM

Is you watch press conference of their officials on TV, they all said Ukraine HAS TO WIN this war. What do they mean WIN?

German officials have said that Ukraine must win the war but at the same time, they have refused to provide any military assistance to Ukraine. Although under US pressure they have sent some military aid to Ukraine, most of it has proved unusable. The United States has called on European countries to impose sanctions on Russia's energy sector, but Germany has flatly refused. What they have said is due to pressure from the USA. They don't care about Ukraine.

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Quote from: KingScorpio on April 08, 2022, 06:48:55 PM

If conventional war in Ukraine becomes to costly and to risky, like it also happened in the pacific,

putin could use Nuclear weapon's on one of more Militarised Cities in Ukraine just like the USA did in Hiroshima and Nagasaki,

havine a jewish Comedian president that worships the woke racist western left, will make live very risky for Ukrainians,

and it is likely that Putin will get away with it as he can easily blame the United states for Arming Ukraine and for pushing it towards Russia, (war propaganda)

i think this is highly likely if Putin wil not be able to win the war Conventionally, as the russians are not willing to fight high causalty urban war.

Ukrainian here. despite the fact that the post is full of Russian narratives and as far as I remember KingScorpio is from Germany and is an ardent admirer of Putin and I'm pretty sure that he hsa a flag of the communist party of Germany hanging in his room next to a photo of Powell from the UN 2003 in a frame, we really don't rule out the possibility of a nuclear strike on country. You really can't rule out anythingfighting a gang of incompetent marauders led by a bald dwarf.

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Quote from: laredo7mm on April 12, 2022, 02:28:57 AM

Quote from: cabron on April 11, 2022, 09:36:45 PM

I wouldn't be sure about that because US has the history of sending nukes already. Just recently Biden was also talking about it which means it crossed their minds already.

The US could send a nuke but I really doubt that EU countries will do the same. Till now it seems they just want to cooperate with Russia to solve this matter peacefully. At least that's what shows by seeing the action of Germany, France, hungry. Only USA, UK is spreading rumors and fears to other countries.

Keeping nukes and using them are two different matters. The USA has its nuclear warhead in Turkey which turkey can not use. The USA keeps those nukes for their own strategic plan not to save a turkey from nuclear attack. Using nuclear weapons against another highly nuclear capability country is a very serious matter. If the USA try to destroy Russia with the nuclear weapon they will also be destroyed. It's a no-win game.

That is if Germany, UK and France has the balls to stop US from interfering their rights. EU is still under US we have recently seen it, when Joe says Nordstream will be stopped, Germany just silently cried himself not minding the Billions they have spent for it and shut down by an outsider.

Is you watch press conference of their officials on TV, they all said Ukraine HAS TO WIN this war. What do they mean WIN?

So I'm not going to be surprise if things happen and probably no one will even react after that. No German, No UK or France will speak about it. But the voice of smaller country looks at it fairly and will shout about it. Probably President Bukele be the first to condemn or President Duterte.

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Quote from: cabron on April 11, 2022, 09:36:45 PM

I wouldn't be sure about that because US has the history of sending nukes already. Just recently Biden was also talking about it which means it crossed their minds already.

The US could send a nuke but I really doubt that EU countries will do the same. Till now it seems they just want to cooperate with Russia to solve this matter peacefully. At least that's what shows by seeing the action of Germany, France, hungry. Only USA, UK is spreading rumors and fears to other countries.

Keeping nukes and using them are two different matters. The USA has its nuclear warhead in Turkey which turkey can not use. The USA keeps those nukes for their own strategic plan not to save a turkey from nuclear attack. Using nuclear weapons against another highly nuclear capability country is a very serious matter. If the USA try to destroy Russia with the nuclear weapon they will also be destroyed. It's a no-win game.

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I don't think that Putin will do that, given that Nuclear won't solve anything on the contrary it will add to the new problem that this could bring Russia down. Because of course that if Russia wanted to drop a nuclear bomb on Ukraine, surely no country would side with Russia, not even China.

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Quote from: Dean2 on April 11, 2022, 06:09:33 PM

The difference is when the US bombed japan they were the only country on the planet who has nukes so there was no fear of retaliation,nowdays however many countries have nukes of their own so nuking ukrain under the cover of war propaganda is highly risky and could backfire pretty hard for russia.

Exactly. Putin will have to be careful in doing something like this because leaders around the world will despise anyone who nukes today the fact that Ukraine doesn't have a nuke. Presumably Putin is already in the advantage position regarding this war so he wouldn't have the thoughts of destroying Ukraine to ash because he wants the country to still be useful for Russia in economics.

Quote from: istiak2277 on April 11, 2022, 06:05:13 PM

If this happens I won't be surprise. For those who think that using nuke from Russians side to Ukraine will start a nuclear war are wrong. Ukraine has no nuke and other EU country even USA will not use their nuke against Russia even if Russia nuke Ukraine. Nuclear capability of Russia is well known to EU leaders so they won't risk their country for Ukraine.

But i do not think Putin have any intention to nuke Ukraine because it seems Putin wants support from Ukraine people. Especially from pro Russians people in Ukraine so that Russia could established their foothold in Ukraine even after the war.

I wouldn't be sure about that because US has the history of sending nukes already. Just recently Biden was also talking about it which means it crossed their minds already.

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The difference is when the US bombed japan they were the only country on the planet who has nukes so there was no fear of retaliation,nowdays however many countries have nukes of their own so nuking ukrain under the cover of war propaganda is highly risky and could backfire pretty hard for russia.

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If this happens I won't be surprise. For those who think that using nuke from Russians side to Ukraine will start a nuclear war are wrong. Ukraine has no nuke and other EU country even USA will not use their nuke against Russia even if Russia nuke Ukraine. Nuclear capability of Russia is well known to EU leaders so they won't risk their country for Ukraine.

But i do not think Putin have any intention to nuke Ukraine because it seems Putin wants support from Ukraine people. Especially from pro Russians people in Ukraine so that Russia could established their foothold in Ukraine even after the war.

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Quote from: KingScorpio on April 08, 2022, 06:48:55 PM

If conventional war in Ukraine becomes to costly and to risky, like it also happened in the pacific,

putin could use Nuclear weapon's on one of more Militarised Cities in Ukraine just like the USA did in Hiroshima and Nagasaki,

havine a jewish Comedian president that worships the woke racist western left, will make live very risky for Ukrainians,

and it is likely that Putin will get away with it as he can easily blame the United states for Arming Ukraine and for pushing it towards Russia, (war propaganda)

i think this is highly likely if Putin wil not be able to win the war Conventionally, as the russians are not willing to fight high causalty urban war.

I don't think Putin will have such a big disaster in mind cause gone are the days when nuclear bomb will be used conveniently without any big sanction or escalation. There are international laws that had stopped such act and now protecting civilian and prisoners of war. Such attempt will looks disastrous and can inflict and bigger war that will escalate to world war three. Putin will try his possible best to protect the Russian economy from falling severely.

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Quote from: be.open on April 11, 2022, 01:51:24 AM

Europe seems to be scared to death of Russian nuclear weapons and hastily buying iodine pills, even though Putin's worst weapon against Europe is millions of Ukrainian refugees. Among them there are many adequate normal people who are simply looking for a better life for themselves (and you can’t blame them for this), but there is also a noticeable part of violent nationalists who grew up with the idea of the superiority of the Ukrainian nation and now everyone owes them something. Europe did not believe for a long time that there was Nazism in Ukraine - well, now she will see everything with her own eyes.

This is a very serious test to determine the boundaries of European tolerance - is it tolerant of open manifestations of Nazism? So serious that it can be a matter of life and death.

You're saying that nationalists, full of ideals and love for their "superior Ukraine" are fleeing abroad? Isn't this a contradiction? I thought all those violent nationalists are fighting as Azov and the National Guard of Ukraine, and some are even in Kiev, commanding the Ukrainian army. Wink

Also, it's forbidden for able men to leave the country. How are they able to cross the border? Even if some of them manage to sneak out, what are they going to do abroad? Form a new small Ukraine in Poland and Germany? Give away leaflets?
Wearing Nazi insignia is forbidden in the EU.

I don't feel afraid of people who are running from the war. This argument that they are going to present a threat, steal our jobs and form armed nationalist groups in our countries is one of the dumbest pieces of propaganda spread by Kremlin. They hate it that Ukrainians are choosing to go to the EU instead of Russia who is trying to liberate them from their oppressive government by murdering, raping and robbing (sometimes in that exact order).

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Sometimes it scares me if one dictator go berserk what could possibly happen to the world. Ukraine crisis has shown us how fragile peace is. Even with big international forums like UN and big military alliances like NATO. Ukraine is burning and I don’t know if Russia nuke Ukraine, but if Ukraine get its hand on some old soviet nuke lying undetected in one of its junkyards. I fear they wont shy away from nuking Russia. After all they have lost so much in war and it wont be a question of moral but a question of vengeance

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Quote from: coolcoinz on April 10, 2022, 04:29:14 PM

That's what I'm also afraid of, but all we can do is hope that it will never happen and the mad man is stopped before it comes to this. He didn't expect Zelensky to be so tough and stubborn. Putin knew the leaders of neighboring countries and thought them all to be cowards, just like Yanukovych who fled the country to Russia. He thought the "actor" will do the same when attacked with full force. We all know how wrong he was.
Russia is running out of bullets and equipment to fight this war and Putin will not accept defeat. I expect heavy conventional bombing to come first and then small tactical nukes, unless they come to an agreement before that.

IMO Putin should be stopped by a coalition of forces. The countries who are interested in helping Ukraine should join up and enter the country and form a defensive line around the capital, declaring that if they are attacked they will return fire. I wonder what Putin would do at that point? Declare war to another 5 or more countries f he can't defeat 1?

Europe seems to be scared to death of Russian nuclear weapons and hastily buying iodine pills, even though Putin's worst weapon against Europe is millions of Ukrainian refugees. Among them there are many adequate normal people who are simply looking for a better life for themselves (and you can’t blame them for this), but there is also a noticeable part of violent nationalists who grew up with the idea of the superiority of the Ukrainian nation and now everyone owes them something. Europe did not believe for a long time that there was Nazism in Ukraine - well, now she will see everything with her own eyes.

This is a very serious test to determine the boundaries of European tolerance - is it tolerant of open manifestations of Nazism? So serious that it can be a matter of life and death.

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Quote from: Mometaskers on April 10, 2022, 09:05:10 AM

It's counterproductive since they'd want Ukraine intact as buffer state or if annexed, a productive part of Russia. Ukraine may not have mutual defense treaties with other nuclear powers but nuking it would give Russia's enemies a justification to nuke Russia in return.

Also, Japan is across the Pacific from America. Ukraine is just next-door to Russia.

Japan, America, and Russia are actually closer than we think. Russia and Japan have border issues and Russia even owns Alaska once upon a time because it's just right next to the border of Canada. https://ibb.co/P5swF2p They could actually just fight right in the icy lands and not disturb any country in the Northpole as thier battlefield but they choose to destroy some like Ukraine.

Quote from: coolcoinz on April 10, 2022, 04:29:14 PM

That's what I'm also afraid of, but all we can do is hope that it will never happen and the mad man is stopped before it comes to this. He didn't expect Zelensky to be so tough and stubborn. Putin knew the leaders of neighboring countries and thought them all to be cowards, just like Yanukovych who fled the country to Russia. He thought the "actor" will do the same when attacked with full force. We all know how wrong he was.
Russia is running out of bullets and equipment to fight this war and Putin will not accept defeat. I expect heavy conventional bombing to come first and then small tactical nukes, unless they come to an agreement before that.

IMO Putin should be stopped by a coalition of forces. The countries who are interested in helping Ukraine should join up and enter the country and form a defensive line around the capital, declaring that if they are attacked they will return fire. I wonder what Putin would do at that point? Declare war to another 5 or more countries f he can't defeat 1?

NATO is not united and Putin knew it. And Russia is a producer of arms and ammo. Other countries procure from them, that is not possible. They may have been taking overtime to produce more these days.

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That's what I'm also afraid of, but all we can do is hope that it will never happen and the mad man is stopped before it comes to this. He didn't expect Zelensky to be so tough and stubborn. Putin knew the leaders of neighboring countries and thought them all to be cowards, just like Yanukovych who fled the country to Russia. He thought the "actor" will do the same when attacked with full force. We all know how wrong he was.
Russia is running out of bullets and equipment to fight this war and Putin will not accept defeat. I expect heavy conventional bombing to come first and then small tactical nukes, unless they come to an agreement before that.

IMO Putin should be stopped by a coalition of forces. The countries who are interested in helping Ukraine should join up and enter the country and form a defensive line around the capital, declaring that if they are attacked they will return fire. I wonder what Putin would do at that point? Declare war to another 5 or more countries f he can't defeat 1?

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Quote from: KingScorpio on April 08, 2022, 06:48:55 PM

If conventional war in Ukraine becomes to costly and to risky, like it also happened in the pacific,

putin could use Nuclear weapon's on one of more Militarised Cities in Ukraine just like the USA did in Hiroshima and Nagasaki,

In Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the nuclear bombs Little and Fat Man were used, with a yield of 13 to 21 kilotons of TNT. Among other things, the Russian army is armed with the old Soviet high-explosive bombs FAB-3000, FAB-5000 and FAB-9000, with a capacity of 1.4 to 4.2 kilotons of TNT. To arrange a scale of destruction comparable to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it is not necessary to use nuclear bombs with their unpleasant side effects in the form of radioactive contamination of the area - it is enough to drop a few good old high-explosive bombs of the middle of the last century.

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Quote from: KingScorpio on April 08, 2022, 06:48:55 PM

putin could use Nuclear weapon's on one of more Militarised Cities in Ukraine just like the USA did in Hiroshima and Nagasaki,

In WW2, imperial Japan has no way of retailing against a nuke. Japan really did not even have the ability to send conventional bombs to the US homeland. Today, the US is very capable of retaliating against any nuclear attack.

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Quote from: Mometaskers on April 10, 2022, 09:05:10 AM

It's counterproductive since they'd want Ukraine intact as buffer state or if annexed, a productive part of Russia. Ukraine may not have mutual defense treaties with other nuclear powers but nuking it would give Russia's enemies a justification to nuke Russia in return.

Also, Japan is across the Pacific from America. Ukraine is just next-door to Russia.

when he is being pushed into a corner anything can happen, putin is considering ukraine as fashists and neonazis and enemies to russian freedom,

he is not different than american social justice warriors, if you have two people and they are supposed to run their country both can't be the bank

one has to be the worker and the other one the banker. can't work different

peace only exists as long as there is someone that either voluntarily or somehow on drugs becomes the worker that does the crappy labour.

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Quote from: KingScorpio on April 09, 2022, 04:19:01 AM

Quote from: cabron on April 08, 2022, 09:16:36 PM

While it's not possible that Putin will do that. Dropping a nuke will only make more enemies for Russia and there might be no diplomatic talks anymore. This will just trigger the nuclear power countries to go to war when right now they are just looking away. He is already winning by just choking the gas supply. The skirmishes are what he will do since it's about who is going to last long as sanctions take effect. Putin will not do it, he does have a strategy for everything and thinks of consequences.

no it won't putin will justify it with same situation like the US with japan, why should he allow this to escalate the woke west will go after china with same manners like they now go after russia, they will not respect state authorieties they don't mean anything for the woke corrupted west.

Besides, Putin was pushed into taking drastic measures... by the world trying to cut off trade with Russia.

If the world is killing you, and you know that you will die, it only makes sense to fight back with everything you have, right?

We don't know where Russia really is with regard to financial and business losses. They might be winning (even though it looks differently on the outside), or they might be near death. Have they been checkmated into some kind of death corner? They will fight if they have, with everything they've got.

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It's counterproductive since they'd want Ukraine intact as buffer state or if annexed, a productive part of Russia. Ukraine may not have mutual defense treaties with other nuclear powers but nuking it would give Russia's enemies a justification to nuke Russia in return.

Also, Japan is across the Pacific from America. Ukraine is just next-door to Russia.

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