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What's the latest, I haven't heard a thing from Qora in ages.
I posted a thread about this a while ago but didn't get any replies so I'll ask here.
Does anyone know of any good assets on the asset exchange? I don't want to sound too negative or anything but the current asset exchange is a bit, well... lacking in quality. Compare this with NXT's asset exchange which has lots of high-quality assets. NXT probably wouldn't be where it is today without people like jl777. Perhaps Qora needs someone similar who can spark new development and help further the coin beyond the core protocol.
I'm not sure but according to the thread (link), it might not be running anymore. I think the last payments went out on the 14th of December.
Does anyone know of any good assets on the asset exchange? I don't want to sound too negative or anything but the current asset exchange is a bit, well... lacking in quality. Compare this with NXT's asset exchange which has lots of high-quality assets. NXT probably wouldn't be where it is today without people like jl777. Perhaps Qora needs someone similar who can spark new development and help further the coin beyond the core protocol.
Guys what is up with the giveaway?
It has been more than a week yet I haven't received anything....
It has been more than a week yet I haven't received anything....
I'm not sure but according to the thread (link), it might not be running anymore. I think the last payments went out on the 14th of December.
When new version will be released?
waiting too for this. 
When new version will be released?
Guys what is up with the giveaway?
It has been more than a week yet I haven't received anything....
It has been more than a week yet I haven't received anything....
Very important and interesting post @rlh!
@twistelaar, community: Maybe we can contact whoever made the Litecoin Silver Coins (if I remember well his username is smoothie), to make something for Qora, eg. a silver coin or an asset for direct silver purchage. Also, we can contact all businesses/individuals that made assets for silver/gold.
@twistelaar, community: Maybe we can contact whoever made the Litecoin Silver Coins (if I remember well his username is smoothie), to make something for Qora, eg. a silver coin or an asset for direct silver purchage. Also, we can contact all businesses/individuals that made assets for silver/gold.
Hey Tim! Is there a way u can contact him? and Ask him about?
Very important and interesting post @rlh!
@twistelaar, community: Maybe we can contact whoever made the Litecoin Silver Coins (if I remember well his username is smoothie), to make something for Qora, eg. a silver coin or an asset for direct silver purchage. Also, we can contact all businesses/individuals that made assets for silver/gold.
@twistelaar, community: Maybe we can contact whoever made the Litecoin Silver Coins (if I remember well his username is smoothie), to make something for Qora, eg. a silver coin or an asset for direct silver purchage. Also, we can contact all businesses/individuals that made assets for silver/gold.
If im not misunderstanding Qora could be the backbone of a completely new financial system. A new Digital comex of metal traders even a digital forex market based on actual currencies? Someone really needs to develop a proper Gold back cypto that can scale as they grow vaulted inventory.
Nice thought, but for that you need the gold...
The idea of scalable is the key. You could start with say Silver and only have 100 ounces, only sell 100 coins, as you make a profit buy more silver and issue for coins/token for the silver. You might have to label the different batches ie Silver batch 1, 2, 3, 4 etc Cheap assets making gives for that with Qora.
If im not misunderstanding Qora could be the backbone of a completely new financial system. A new Digital comex of metal traders even a digital forex market based on actual currencies? Someone really needs to develop a proper Gold back cypto that can scale as they grow vaulted inventory.
Nice thought, but for that you need the gold...
If im not misunderstanding Qora could be the backbone of a completely new financial system. A new Digital comex of metal traders even a digital forex market based on actual currencies? Someone really needs to develop a proper Gold back cypto that can scale as they grow vaulted inventory.
I understand zanzibar's frustration and I'd be feeling just as he does if I didn't have hope for what I see as possible. However, I will mention what makes Qora VERY unique. I won't explain how I will be using this to my advantage but, to my knowledge, this uniqueness does not exist within any other coin.
Actually, there are two simple concepts that Qora uses, that I personally find beneficial-- assets can be issued very cheaply AND assets can be traded for other assets.
Coins with Asset Exchanges is nothing new. I believe Nxt was the first to implement such a feature and, whether copycats or not, more followed. When QoraDev created his AE for his coin, he decided to add Asset-To-Asset trading. I don't think this was a decision that was made on a whim. Some may think this is a novel feature but I think that's because we're not thinking outside of the common paradigm of what digital, cryptographic assets are capable of representing.
To date, most crypto-assets that are worth mentioning are pseudo-stocks. They are investments in project endeavours that hope to grow in success and worth. There success is to trickle into these assets via dividends or high-priced buy backs, made by the asset issuer.
However, assets can be more than stocks. They can be "tokens" intended to represent something of value. As an example, let's say I have 1,000 silver, 1 Oz coins. I could create an asset with 1,000 tokens, issue the asset and say if you buy these for x Qora, you are buying one of my coins. If you would like me for to ship your coins to you, send your tokens to account X and send a message with your shipping address. Otherwise, I'll hold the silver and you can sell the coins to someone else, at some other time.
I've now created an asset with direct, real world worth. It's not really a "stock" in a company, but it is a digital asset that has a pegged value to a commonly traded commodity. Now, let's say that people really like this idea and they trust that I'm being honest when I say that I have 1,00 ounces of silver. People buy my silver tokens and hold them. Some intend to never redeem them but, as the value of silver arises, they hope to sell the coins back to whomever has placed lower priced buy orders on the orderbook.
Though I hold the silver in my lockbox, people are trading my silver tokens as if they own the physical objects. This now isn't a speculative market, easily manipulated by a 2-5 people who each own 1-5% of all of the available assets. Anyone who sells these assets well below the going rate of silver is either seriously in need of money, or is foolishly trying to manipulate a crypto-asset that has ties to a real-world marketplace that they cannot control. The asset is pegged to real-world silver because it is backed by real silver, and it is redeemable for the real thing.
Time passes and after seeing the wild success of my silver asset, I decide to issue another asset-- GOLD! In this case, I am offering 1 Oz gold coins. Realizing that this is a desirable service, I now create an asset with 100,000 tokens, each worth 1 Oz in Gold. However, I only sell off what inventory I hold and I created an asset with a ridiculous amount because I never know how big this might grow! I can sell off 5-10 assets at a time and I can send and ship these coins as the requests come in.
I'm now a metal dealer, and it's all from a blockchain! How cool is that!
I now have two assets, pegged to real world commodities. People can buy and sell them from my "house book" and to others. As time passes, a few traders may realize that, Aha!, they'd like to try and leverage a little profit by flipping back and forth between gold and silver. They can do this in two ways-- sell metal #1 token for Qora, and then use the income to buy the metal #2 OR they could release a pair-trade for the other type of asset. This skips losing money from having to work the spread of two order books.
Now we have people buying and selling Silver and Qora, Gold and Qora and Silver and... Gold! (Cue Burl Ives!)
This is a very, VERY basic example of how asset-to-asset trading is extremely important. Let your imagination run wild with the possibilities and if you have the chops to manage a simple variation of what I've outlined above, then do it. This is the type of thing that could get people moving into Qora. You could easily create these types of assets in other coins, but there is no easy/fast way to move asset "value" to another asset, without selling off one asset to the base currency, to then buy up the order book of another asset. It's inefficient, and after trading on AEs since the inception, I've found it's not cheap when you want to make big moves.
You really have to watch the markets, monitor your trades and take your time far more than should be necessary.
Asset-to-asset trading could be the future and Qora has a significant head start. We just need to start finding meaningful ways of using this feature.
Actually, there are two simple concepts that Qora uses, that I personally find beneficial-- assets can be issued very cheaply AND assets can be traded for other assets.
Coins with Asset Exchanges is nothing new. I believe Nxt was the first to implement such a feature and, whether copycats or not, more followed. When QoraDev created his AE for his coin, he decided to add Asset-To-Asset trading. I don't think this was a decision that was made on a whim. Some may think this is a novel feature but I think that's because we're not thinking outside of the common paradigm of what digital, cryptographic assets are capable of representing.
To date, most crypto-assets that are worth mentioning are pseudo-stocks. They are investments in project endeavours that hope to grow in success and worth. There success is to trickle into these assets via dividends or high-priced buy backs, made by the asset issuer.
However, assets can be more than stocks. They can be "tokens" intended to represent something of value. As an example, let's say I have 1,000 silver, 1 Oz coins. I could create an asset with 1,000 tokens, issue the asset and say if you buy these for x Qora, you are buying one of my coins. If you would like me for to ship your coins to you, send your tokens to account X and send a message with your shipping address. Otherwise, I'll hold the silver and you can sell the coins to someone else, at some other time.
I've now created an asset with direct, real world worth. It's not really a "stock" in a company, but it is a digital asset that has a pegged value to a commonly traded commodity. Now, let's say that people really like this idea and they trust that I'm being honest when I say that I have 1,00 ounces of silver. People buy my silver tokens and hold them. Some intend to never redeem them but, as the value of silver arises, they hope to sell the coins back to whomever has placed lower priced buy orders on the orderbook.
Though I hold the silver in my lockbox, people are trading my silver tokens as if they own the physical objects. This now isn't a speculative market, easily manipulated by a 2-5 people who each own 1-5% of all of the available assets. Anyone who sells these assets well below the going rate of silver is either seriously in need of money, or is foolishly trying to manipulate a crypto-asset that has ties to a real-world marketplace that they cannot control. The asset is pegged to real-world silver because it is backed by real silver, and it is redeemable for the real thing.
Time passes and after seeing the wild success of my silver asset, I decide to issue another asset-- GOLD! In this case, I am offering 1 Oz gold coins. Realizing that this is a desirable service, I now create an asset with 100,000 tokens, each worth 1 Oz in Gold. However, I only sell off what inventory I hold and I created an asset with a ridiculous amount because I never know how big this might grow! I can sell off 5-10 assets at a time and I can send and ship these coins as the requests come in.
I'm now a metal dealer, and it's all from a blockchain! How cool is that!
I now have two assets, pegged to real world commodities. People can buy and sell them from my "house book" and to others. As time passes, a few traders may realize that, Aha!, they'd like to try and leverage a little profit by flipping back and forth between gold and silver. They can do this in two ways-- sell metal #1 token for Qora, and then use the income to buy the metal #2 OR they could release a pair-trade for the other type of asset. This skips losing money from having to work the spread of two order books.
Now we have people buying and selling Silver and Qora, Gold and Qora and Silver and... Gold! (Cue Burl Ives!)
This is a very, VERY basic example of how asset-to-asset trading is extremely important. Let your imagination run wild with the possibilities and if you have the chops to manage a simple variation of what I've outlined above, then do it. This is the type of thing that could get people moving into Qora. You could easily create these types of assets in other coins, but there is no easy/fast way to move asset "value" to another asset, without selling off one asset to the base currency, to then buy up the order book of another asset. It's inefficient, and after trading on AEs since the inception, I've found it's not cheap when you want to make big moves.
You really have to watch the markets, monitor your trades and take your time far more than should be necessary.
Asset-to-asset trading could be the future and Qora has a significant head start. We just need to start finding meaningful ways of using this feature.
I successfully created a simple windows installation with the free tool inno setup. Of course the compiling and uploading needs to be done by qora, because he is the person with most trust.
@Qora you need to do the following to compile the executable:
Download and install Inno Setup: http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php
Download the following script file:
https://mega.co.nz/#!8t4QAIrI!kzFKVOImbhSR6as2dRY-uBgn2p88oi3bhlRNWCGxeRA
copy the complete qora (including the executable that you already made for v14 and which still works) to "G:\development\qora\" OR change that path in the *.iss script (2 occurences in the script file if you want to put it at another place).
compile it with inno setup and you will have the one click installer executable.
Feel free to ask me if you or anyone else needs help.
@Qora you need to do the following to compile the executable:
Download and install Inno Setup: http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php
Download the following script file:
https://mega.co.nz/#!8t4QAIrI!kzFKVOImbhSR6as2dRY-uBgn2p88oi3bhlRNWCGxeRA
copy the complete qora (including the executable that you already made for v14 and which still works) to "G:\development\qora\" OR change that path in the *.iss script (2 occurences in the script file if you want to put it at another place).
compile it with inno setup and you will have the one click installer executable.
Feel free to ask me if you or anyone else needs help.
I'm sorry to admit this, but Qora is going nowhere, it's dead. Nothing separates Qora from a dozen other Alts...
You are wrong, there is something in Qora that separates it among dozens of Alts.And it's the developer of Qora.
A developer you relied on an IPO to gather peoples interest in order to bring to life his own invention, a new crypto currency that includes features that the entire world of crypto didn't have (or even knew about it).Look at the Guaranteed Features in the announcement post and compare them with the Completed Features in this thread.Those features has been achieved by one developer, on his own!And guess what, he has not even paid himself for that yet, not a single penny.The IPO money remains untouched.
It's really hard to find personalities like him.Did you valuate properly his work?
Qora is a 4th tier alt at best.
Did you understand the fundamentals and politics of Qora?
It's not just another cryptocurrency among dozens of Alts with glamorous videos and superior press releases.
Qora it is based and relied on ethics crucial for our generation.
Did you evaluated properly the asset / asset exchange capability of Qora?
Did you evaluated properly the Voting System ?
Qora has the most needed technological achievements for our "digital life".
Arbitrary Transactions can be use to store, recover and transfer data.
Automated Transactions can be used to serve us, providing thousands of applications and solutions in this "digital life".Even Internet Of Things can be based on AT.
Really, how this "tier" is estimated ?
I hate to be negative because we all have the same end goal, but it's reality.
... everyone is only here to make money, that's not a community.
I'm sorry for the rage in my words.It's not personal and not have to do with you.. as you said everyone is here to make money and that's why everything in crypto seems ruined right now.
But at least there are a few people who are trying to do something right now hoping to establish a great and healthy organization.
We will definitely have bigger results if more users doing little acts rather than few users doing the whole workload.So everyone is welcomed to join us in this
by filling this form or request a slack invitation.
Hey Twist, don't forget my donation! 
Yes RLH also thank you for your donation of almost 2.5 million
@ Zanzibar, we didnt had a team for 6 months. And we were not OS all that time. Actually Qora and the community are just beginning with creating. So imagine if we are already in the op 80 for 6 months with only the dev working, now we gonna defintely rise to top 40/30 with the work we will put in this project. Now we are teaming up in Slack and dividing tasks an we are going to do serieus marketing from now. Soon our image will be boosted by a new website/ann/promovideo and logo
Qora need to leverage the technology into a real world use somehow. I believe apart from Bitcoin Altcoins won't survive however great they work unless they connect to a real use. The bottom line is Qora is great, probably better than Bitcoin but if only a thousand people even own it then it's doomed.
I'm sorry to admit this, but Qora is going nowhere, it's dead. Nothing separates Qora from a dozen other Alts, but it also doesn't really matter because there are no users. Bitcoin is reeling, all major efforts are going into the preservation of Bitcoin. Most 2nd tier alts won't survive, there will be a couple that make it, my guess is Ripple, Litecoin, Nxt, Ethereum, Bitshares. Qora is a 4th tier alt at best. I hate to be negative because we all have the same end goal, but it's reality.
I can see how you think that, but you may just be disheartened by the faddishness and short-term frenzying around here. I remember when Reddcoin was trading around 5-6 satoshis: it went nowhere for months. Then, the devs changed RDD from PoW to Proof-of-Stake Velocity - and RDD went on a tear. From ~5, it leapt up to 40.
And then...it sunk down to ~10, and went back to going nowhere.
It's the faddishness that's a real downer. Seeing a coin leap up, seeing excitement coalesce around it, seeing the faddists go elsewhere, and then seeing the formerly hot alt sink back into obscurity again...it's like being teased and tormented. If alts have a theme song, it would be this number by the Eagles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6FsnmaJrQQ
When you're down in the dumps, give it a listen - you'll get some perspective on this frenzied whirl.
I'm sorry to admit this, but Qora is going nowhere, it's dead. Nothing separates Qora from a dozen other Alts, but it also doesn't really matter because there are no users. Bitcoin is reeling, all major efforts are going into the preservation of Bitcoin. Most 2nd tier alts won't survive, there will be a couple that make it, my guess is Ripple, Litecoin, Nxt, Ethereum, Bitshares. Qora is a 4th tier alt at best. I hate to be negative because we all have the same end goal, but it's reality.
There are many things that separate Qora from the other alts.
Also, now with OS and slack, the community start to build things.
One big separation between Qora and other alts is I made money on other alts but lost on Qora. hahahaha
Now I am in for a long hold.
I'm sorry to admit this, but Qora is going nowhere, it's dead. Nothing separates Qora from a dozen other Alts, but it also doesn't really matter because there are no users. Bitcoin is reeling, all major efforts are going into the preservation of Bitcoin. Most 2nd tier alts won't survive, there will be a couple that make it, my guess is Ripple, Litecoin, Nxt, Ethereum, Bitshares. Qora is a 4th tier alt at best. I hate to be negative because we all have the same end goal, but it's reality.
There are many things that separate Qora from the other alts.
Also, now with OS and slack, the community start to build things.
I'm sorry to admit this, but Qora is going nowhere, it's dead. Nothing separates Qora from a dozen other Alts, but it also doesn't really matter because there are no users. Bitcoin is reeling, all major efforts are going into the preservation of Bitcoin. Most 2nd tier alts won't survive, there will be a couple that make it, my guess is Ripple, Litecoin, Nxt, Ethereum, Bitshares. Qora is a 4th tier alt at best. I hate to be negative because we all have the same end goal, but it's reality.
I said it before as a hint. I don't want to say it too strong but there is a definite possibility we could get included in the Gems messenging app later. If so this coin would increase so much it would make your ears bleed. Hold.
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