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Quote from: Mauser on March 20, 2024, 03:38:14 AM

I would be very careful when it comes to futures investing at the moment. The Bitcoin price just recently reached a new ATH and the volatility is quite high in the market. With a 3x leverage the risk of getting knocked out is quite, especially if your investment is only 100 USD. Do you have enough capital behind to cover losses and not be forced to liquidate? In case this is your only capital I would recommend you stick to the spot market. With a direct bitcoin investment you don't have to worry about get liquidated when prices are falling. You can just hold your coins long term and wait for prices to recover again. The only issue is that transaction cost are quite high at the moment, which makes small size trading not so profitable.

Small leverage will earn small profitable but bit secure from liquidation, so far some time when trade on future I used under x10 leverage with capital not too huge around $300 to $500. Have to be careful when trading in the future behind not greedy use large until maximum leverage we need have back up fund and not use all for future margin.
Always spending around $100 to $200 for recovery fund to make liquidation keep far away and not easily get warning liquidation margin call when wrong prediction.
Need to prepare mentality when trading in future, weakness mentality is not good way in future trading with risk potential loss the capital and better trade on spot trading only although price drop drastically the capital keep existing with lower or decreasing values waiting for price recover back.

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Quote from: VeilVortex on February 28, 2024, 03:02:00 PM

Hey guys!
I have a question... do you think it's a good idea to invest BTC in futures now? With 3x leverage so as not to run as much liquidation risk?

Or do you think it's better to put my €100 in a wallet and wait?

Thank you for the help!

I would be very careful when it comes to futures investing at the moment. The Bitcoin price just recently reached a new ATH and the volatility is quite high in the market. With a 3x leverage the risk of getting knocked out is quite, especially if your investment is only 100 USD. Do you have enough capital behind to cover losses and not be forced to liquidate? In case this is your only capital I would recommend you stick to the spot market. With a direct bitcoin investment you don't have to worry about get liquidated when prices are falling. You can just hold your coins long term and wait for prices to recover again. The only issue is that transaction cost are quite high at the moment, which makes small size trading not so profitable.

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Quote from: VeilVortex on February 28, 2024, 03:02:00 PM

Hey guys!
I have a question... do you think it's a good idea to invest BTC in futures now? With 3x leverage so as not to run as much liquidation risk?

It depends on the skills you have and if you have good trading skills then there are times when trying your luck at small profits is the right choice and you can repeat several times to make a profit. There is a risk in what you do, but you must also have a way to minimize this risk to a smaller one.

Quote from: VeilVortex on February 28, 2024, 03:02:00 PM

Or do you think it's better to put my €100 in a wallet and wait?

That means you will make an investment and the concept is more about holding for the long term and if this is the choice then you also have to have a way to continue to increase the amount of asset ownership. Because if you just wait for the amount you mean then the investment will not be optimal. The decisions you take must have long-term prospects and there are several ways you can reliably do so that assets can continue to increase slowly.

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if you put your money in futures, it's not an investment, but it's trading, because even if you put the lowest possible leverage, there will still be the potential for a margin call. so it depends on you now, whether you are ready to risk €100 into the futures market, if you are ready then go ahead and put your money in futures trading. however, if you are not ready to lose that money, you can invest your money in the spot market, because whatever the price of bitcoin, as long as you don't sell it, you won't make a loss.

I know that if you invest such money in BTC and look for solid wallet like electrum to stock the BTC for long period of time, you will have every reason to take such decision another time which you can see by yourself what is happening in this bull market that is changing traders story with the huge amount of money they are making from their trading.

If you make spot market where you can stock the money as your choice, nobody will force you against your wish because, if you lost or gain , you Will not going to share the lost or gain with anybody but make your choice wisely with that amount of money.

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if you put your money in futures, it's not an investment, but it's trading, because even if you put the lowest possible leverage, there will still be the potential for a margin call. so it depends on you now, whether you are ready to risk €100 into the futures market, if you are ready then go ahead and put your money in futures trading. however, if you are not ready to lose that money, you can invest your money in the spot market, because whatever the price of bitcoin, as long as you don't sell it, you won't make a loss.

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I got some knowledge after reading this the future is the most important thing that you need to understand and know the clarity on how you think it will look like it may not really be as you think, but that must be a step that you must take to make a better future for yourself of course proceed in investing bitcoin for the future no matter the amount you want to buy and the quantity by you we definitely see some losses when Bitcoin Falls but don’t hesitate,Don’t be afraid you will get more profit as long as you mindset is in the future not just taking profit immediately after investing it will be a good one and keep in the future my set

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Actually many responds not recommended well with future is the best place for investing in bitcoin, but I think is the best ideas with holding bitcoin using future trading way and using leverage 3x. Can comparison when bitcoin success raise up around 10% we can earn more than 30% profitable by using future for holding or investing in bitcoin, but get difficult how to minimize with funding fees each exchange future have bigger funding fees every eight hours.
You can invest your bitcoin and put it in future trading around 3x leverage I don't think its too risk and much profitable earn than hold bitcoin in spot with 1x profitable maximum earn only.
Need to prepare bigger amount if you want invest bitcoin in trading future how to protect far away with liquidity and prepare around $50 for funding fees if you want hold bitcoin in future more longer time.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on February 28, 2024, 03:08:39 PM

The exchange that you use for the future trading can be hacked
I do not think bitcoin can go below $40000 again but anything is possible
You may think to increase the leverage which might lead to money loss, that is future trading.

If OP takes a risk to trading futures, it means he is willing to lose 100 Euros for a chance at a bigger reward if he is lucky. The exchange being hacked is not a concern here.

When the bull market started, many people came up with the idea of using low leverage to avoid liquidation in futures trading. But I think this will not be effective because the fluctuations during the bull season will not be small, for example recently, after bitcoin touched 69k USD, it then decreased in price by more than 10k USD to 59k$. That shows that even if we use low leverage, there is still a risk of liquidation if the bitcoin price continues to be more volatile during the bull season.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on March 06, 2024, 04:29:24 PM

If you are a newbie in this market, better not to go to futures yet. Be familiar with spot trading first and learn the ropes of crypto trading. It is quite to easy to liquidate your position if you don't know what you are getting into.

What newbies use to do on exchanges first is to know how they can be able to convert from stable coins like USDT or USCC to unstable coins like bitcoin and vice versa and that is spot trading. So no matter what, newbies would have likely know spot trading. You are not wrong by saying that liquidation is common to traders, but read what I also posted below.

Quote from: Hallroom on March 06, 2024, 09:51:47 PM

Futures trade is very risky as this is where you can face losses the most. I've had zero liquidation on futures trades many times, so it's best to keep your bitcoins in a wallet. Because you can reap the benefits risk-free. Current Bitcoin prices are on the rise so having a wallet in your wallet is the safest and most profitable.

Future trading is very risky, but not as risky as it seems than spot trading the trader is nit greedy. The risk that many traders face is because they are not having a good strategy for risk management and they prefer to go for leverage. Newbies are often tempted to use 10x or more leverage. I remember when I started to trade futures, I prefer to use 125x for bitcoin but which is greediness and foolishness, unlike now that I just go for 1x leverage. If a trader is using averaging and also not using more than 1x leverage, it is better.

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Quote from: VeilVortex on February 28, 2024, 03:02:00 PM

Hey guys!
I have a question... do you think it's a good idea to invest BTC in futures now? With 3x leverage so as not to run as much liquidation risk?

Or do you think it's better to put my €100 in a wallet and wait?

Thank you for the help!

Futures trade is very risky as this is where you can face losses the most. I've had zero liquidation on futures trades many times, so it's best to keep your bitcoins in a wallet. Because you can reap the benefits risk-free. Current Bitcoin prices are on the rise so having a wallet in your wallet is the safest and most profitable.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on March 05, 2024, 08:30:23 PM

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It depends on you and what you want otherwise putting it in a wallet is much far more better than that, putting in wallet as investment gives you more peace of heart and you would feel relaxed provided that you have the access to the wallet and store you seed phrase carefully then nothing to worry. But in future trading there is every possibility to lose it entirely without you counting about the money and will be gone.
Therefore, in my opinion I will advise you to go buy bitcoin and some reputable coin such as ETH, BNB TRX, DOGE and save the wait after halving till 2025 then you will never regret doing that.

If you advise only futures trading then I think you can advise him futures trading in bitcoin and small amount futures trading in ethereum. All other coins are not safe at all for futures trading and if the investor thinks that he will hold his futures trading for a long time then only Bitcoin will be safe for him. Bitcoin's market fluctuates within certain rules, not pumping up and dumping suddenly like other coins. Since there is not much volatility in the Bitcoin market, investors can trade Bitcoin futures with relatively low risk and continue their business for a long time.

If you are a newbie in this market, better not to go to futures yet. Be familiar with spot trading first and learn the ropes of crypto trading. It is quite to easy to liquidate your position if you don't know what you are getting into.

Futures are only for traders that have long been in this market already. Because if you don't know how a certain alt or coin performs in the market, which you need a lot of factors to consider about, you can easily lose your position without a doubt. And if you can't keep up with the market, better not to divulge yourself in that trading. Just go to the trading market which you are more comfortable of and more knowledgeable with.

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Quote from: Adbitco on March 05, 2024, 04:51:09 PM

It depends on you and what you want otherwise putting it in a wallet is much far more better than that, putting in wallet as investment gives you more peace of heart and you would feel relaxed provided that you have the access to the wallet and store you seed phrase carefully then nothing to worry. But in future trading there is every possibility to lose it entirely without you counting about the money and will be gone.
Therefore, in my opinion I will advise you to go buy bitcoin and some reputable coin such as ETH, BNB TRX, DOGE and save the wait after halving till 2025 then you will never regret doing that.

If you advise only futures trading then I think you can advise him futures trading in bitcoin and small amount futures trading in ethereum. All other coins are not safe at all for futures trading and if the investor thinks that he will hold his futures trading for a long time then only Bitcoin will be safe for him. Bitcoin's market fluctuates within certain rules, not pumping up and dumping suddenly like other coins. Since there is not much volatility in the Bitcoin market, investors can trade Bitcoin futures with relatively low risk and continue their business for a long time.

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It depends on you and what you want otherwise putting it in a wallet is much far more better than that, putting in wallet as investment gives you more peace of heart and you would feel relaxed provided that you have the access to the wallet and store you seed phrase carefully then nothing to worry. But in future trading there is every possibility to lose it entirely without you counting about the money and will be gone.
Therefore, in my opinion I will advise you to go buy bitcoin and some reputable coin such as ETH, BNB TRX, DOGE and save the wait after halving till 2025 then you will never regret doing that.

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I would say in regards to this situation, we can't really make futures if we are not really good at it. Some people here has shown what they have done, and those people know what the yare doing and aware of the details of it as well, from liquidation to every little small thing.

However, if we are not sure about it, like OP seems to be, then it would probably mean that it would be better if we just buy bitcoin and hold, and do nothing else. Sure that may not make you rich with just hundred bucks, but that also doesn't mean that you should risk even more. I can see that it is not that easy, but it would not be all that difficult neither to just hold. Just try to put more and more money in it while you wait, and maybe even keep doing that later on as well.

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Quote from: tvplus006 on March 05, 2024, 12:27:31 PM

according to the screenshot, you open a position not for $300, as required by the OP, but for $180. And accordingly, for this reason, the liquidation price will have a different meaning.

No, it does not have any different changes because of the amount you use to open the position or not. If you open a position with $50, $100 or any amount of money, the liquidation price will still be the same as long s you open it at the same price and using the same leverage.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on March 05, 2024, 07:59:08 AM

You can see the price that I set which is $60000. You can see the estimated liquidation price which is $39605.2. Not $44000. ..

It is difficult for us to establish the truth in absentia, but according to the screenshot, you open a position not for $300, as required by the OP, but for $180. And accordingly, for this reason, the liquidation price will have a different meaning. I myself cannot demonstrate such a screenshot, since I have open positions on derivatives and the margin exceeds that of the OP.

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Quote from: VeilVortex on February 28, 2024, 03:02:00 PM

Hey guys!
I have a question... do you think it's a good idea to invest BTC in futures now? With 3x leverage so as not to run as much liquidation risk?

Or do you think it's better to put my €100 in a wallet and wait?

Thank you for the help!

Your supposed to be happy for what you got for a start and agreeing on the past takes more than one. The future is off limit so far.

I believe you would be so much happier if you spend the 100 EURO and not have that for a distraction.

Cheers! Buy something you intend to keep forever and get that part over with while your at it.

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Quote from: VeilVortex on February 28, 2024, 03:02:00 PM

Hey guys!
I have a question... do you think it's a good idea to invest BTC in futures now? With 3x leverage so as not to run as much liquidation risk?

Or do you think it's better to put my €100 in a wallet and wait?

Thank you for the help!

if the capital is only 100dollars, there are not many choices. because if you trade on the spot, the profit you get is also definitely small. yes, if you want a lot of results, yes in the future but yes the risk is great. other options can trade on the forex market using metatrader 4 there is also a crypto market including bitcoin.

Yes profit is depend on your capital, 100 dollars is nothing in spot trading or future trading and even in the forex trading. Without experienced trading is not recommended by me, even i don't prefer in spot trading. Future trading isn't for everyone, it's for experienced people's who are trading for many years.

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It is not a good idea to get into futures because you're even having the impression that you're an investor upon doing that. It's not how it goes and someone who's not yet knowledgeable on doing it will be liquidated quickly. You'll just get those notice on your phone and email that your position have been liquidated and that's why if you can't afford to lose that so quick like in a span of a few seconds and minutes, you stick to your plans of holding or with the spot market.

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Quote from: tvplus006 on March 05, 2024, 07:26:07 AM

Quote from: Oshosondy on March 04, 2024, 05:29:18 PM

Quote from: tvplus006 on March 04, 2024, 05:23:33 PM

I think that Oshosondy gave the wrong calculation and, accordingly, may mislead you. Look at how the support of the Binance exchange explains such a question to "How to Calculate Margin Liquidation Price", as an example, x3 leverage is used there, exactly what you are interested in - https://www.binance.com/en/support/faq/how-to-calculate-margin-liquidation-price-f6b010588e55413aa58b7d63ee0125ed

I am wrong? Okay let us assume that I am wrong. If bitcoin is at $60000 and you go 3x leverage to open a long position, what price would be the liquidation price? You can not say that I am wrong if you do not give the answer. Give the answer in bitcoin price with prove and not just refer to any article.

I am sure that you did not even open the link that I indicated earlier, otherwise you would have realized that the formula of calculating the liquidation price is different from the one that you use) If the initial balance is $100, and you have opened a long position with x3 leverage, at a price of $60,000, then the liquidation price will be $44,000. To simplify the calculation, you can use a calculator - https://www.binance.com/en/margin/calculator

Why will I check it when I know what I am saying. I have traded many coins and tokens and calculating the estimated liquidation price myself. That my calculation is correct.

I prefer to go practical with real trading and not just make use of any calculator. I know that calculator is existing on Binanace but I have not used it before. I changed back from multi asset mode just to single asset mode just to proof a point that this is wrong. Also you can go to my previous posts and read it again and see how I am very correct after you check the correct calculation from my image below.

You can see the price that I set which is $60000. You can see the estimated liquidation price which is $39605.2. Not $44000.

You may use exchanges calculation, but what I am saying is correct.

Quote from: Sun2k on March 04, 2024, 03:25:03 PM

If bitcoin is at $60000 and you long it with 3x, the liquidation would be around $40000. If you can take the risk, you can go for it.

I will like you to read what I posted above because some exchanges also will calculate the liquidation price for you automatically while input the amount of your asset that you want to use to trade. By that my calculation can be helpful and it is simple.

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