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Quote from: Sebas.tian on March 04, 2024, 11:31:36 PM

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Bitcoin futures trading is much safer than other coins so if you want to invest with a lot of leverage then this investment may be right for you and you can move forward. If you invest at 3x leverage right now, even if the market is dumping, you will not liquidate because the market will have to go down a lot for your liquidation, but the chances of this happening are low. Relatively more risk must be taken to make higher profits. You can definitely invest in this plan if you can take the risk of your money and you can maintain your investment by fixing a specific target.

Many investors that took such risk in the past later discovered that they made a good decision, which you can take that risk now to invest in Bitcoin and you will enjoy the Bitcoin safer in your investment that will give you more courage to invest whenever the bearish season appear in the market. The most important in your risk, is to ensure you invest your money in the most top cryptocurrencies in the market and it will give you a huge amount of income that will increase your wealth in the future. I know is not easy to take a heavy risk like this, but there is a gain to every risk you are taking in the time of bearish season to invest and you will receive a good results at the end of your investment.

If the investor is interested in futures trading in any other coin in the market then I would probably not do it because all the other coins in the market can't be trusted much especially for long term futures canning. But OP wants to invest in Bitcoin here and with relatively low risk, I think this decision is right for him and he is taking a very small amount of risk which means less chance of losing money. What little risk remains in investing must be risk because without risk there is no chance of making money. We have to take risks, but before taking risks we must see if we are taking risks in the right place and how much. Because it will never be safe to take such a risk that the money is likely to be lost at any time.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on March 04, 2024, 05:29:18 PM

Quote from: tvplus006 on March 04, 2024, 05:23:33 PM

I think that Oshosondy gave the wrong calculation and, accordingly, may mislead you. Look at how the support of the Binance exchange explains such a question to "How to Calculate Margin Liquidation Price", as an example, x3 leverage is used there, exactly what you are interested in - https://www.binance.com/en/support/faq/how-to-calculate-margin-liquidation-price-f6b010588e55413aa58b7d63ee0125ed

I am wrong? Okay let us assume that I am wrong. If bitcoin is at $60000 and you go 3x leverage to open a long position, what price would be the liquidation price? You can not say that I am wrong if you do not give the answer. Give the answer in bitcoin price with prove and not just refer to any article.

I am sure that you did not even open the link that I indicated earlier, otherwise you would have realized that the formula of calculating the liquidation price is different from the one that you use) If the initial balance is $100, and you have opened a long position with x3 leverage, at a price of $60,000, then the liquidation price will be $44,000. To simplify the calculation, you can use a calculator - https://www.binance.com/en/margin/calculator

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Quote from: Dunamisx on March 04, 2024, 03:41:26 PM

Future trading is full of nothing than risk, this does not only ends there, but we are on the chance of loosing the entire investment if liquidated, i don't think we should go for such as we cannot afford to miss the fund we have earned to use for trading, even though we are having other alternatives, taking risk on what can completely take away our fund is part of what some people have used against trading by the way they termed it the same as gambling.

This is the reason why futures trading is not recommended for inexperienced traders. One first needs to gain enough knowledge about the market, and then start trading with minimal risk assets in the spot market to gain some experience about trading and the market in general. After that, they should start learning about futures trading, once they learn everything, if they feel they are ready to venture into it, they should do it.

One should only start trading in the futures market if they understand all the risks and know that they can manage those risks and wouldn't be losing all their money in it. If they couldn't manage the risks, they are going to lose their capital in no time at all.

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Quote from: VeilVortex on February 28, 2024, 03:02:00 PM

I have a question... do you think it's a good idea to invest BTC in futures now? With 3x leverage so as not to run as much liquidation risk?

Or do you think it's better to put my €100 in a wallet and wait?

One thing about investment, is that it has to do with risk and if you don't take time the risk will take you to the positive side or negative side of investment, so I understand that cryptocurrency investment have to do with timing, right if you invest in bitcoin you are not at lost, because the price of bitcoin is on constant acceleration, but we are not fully sure of skyrocket of it's movement via price...so investment have target and you can invest now probably you maybe opportune to make profit for your investment.

Quote from: Assface16678 on February 28, 2024, 04:47:14 PM

Woah that's a lot of risk right there but depends on the bitcoin market it keeps on increasing in price if its continues then there is a posibility that it will reach another all time high (ATH) but that's still an speculations, its up to you if you can take the risk, the thing is futures is that the higher you raise the leverage the higher the damagee will also be get, but of course if you are right then the reward is imaginable, its your call just use the funds that you are ready to lose, it may be regretful for instances but if you are a risk taker then go for it, just remember there's a lot of hype right now in bitcoin so anything that could happen to bitcoin price could be unpredictable, its not too late yes but it still has the risk because you might enter in a peak position then possibility of correction.

The thing is that the market of cryptocurrency at this point is flourishing to a point nobody knows what will be the next step of cryptocurrency, so I believe that bitcoin bitcoin has taken another dimensions, and if time is not take the price may reach seventy thousand, so therefore the price of bitcoin is unpredictable.

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Quote from: VeilVortex on February 28, 2024, 03:02:00 PM

Hey guys!
I have a question... do you think it's a good idea to invest BTC in futures now? With 3x leverage so as not to run as much liquidation risk?

Or do you think it's better to put my €100 in a wallet and wait?

Thank you for the help!

if the capital is only 100dollars, there are not many choices. because if you trade on the spot, the profit you get is also definitely small. yes, if you want a lot of results, yes in the future but yes the risk is great. other options can trade on the forex market using metatrader 4 there is also a crypto market including bitcoin.

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If you are a newbie then I think trading will be too risky for you. As a beginner you should acquire a lot of knowledge about the trade. Because trading is very risky as a result of which you can suffer a lot financially. So first get proper knowledge about the trade and keep learning. The cryptocurrency market is very diverse. So don't trade on emotion alone. As a result, you may be very disappointed. On the other hand, you can invest as much money as you can afford in Bitcoin And if you can hold it then it will be seen that you can earn a good amount of profit at one time. So it is better and wiser not to lean towards your trading in the beginning.

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Quote from: Litzki1990

Bitcoin futures trading is much safer than other coins so if you want to invest with a lot of leverage then this investment may be right for you and you can move forward. If you invest at 3x leverage right now, even if the market is dumping, you will not liquidate because the market will have to go down a lot for your liquidation, but the chances of this happening are low. Relatively more risk must be taken to make higher profits. You can definitely invest in this plan if you can take the risk of your money and you can maintain your investment by fixing a specific target.

Many investors that took such risk in the past later discovered that they made a good decision, which you can take that risk now to invest in Bitcoin and you will enjoy the Bitcoin safer in your investment that will give you more courage to invest whenever the bearish season appear in the market. The most important in your risk, is to ensure you invest your money in the most top cryptocurrencies in the market and it will give you a huge amount of income that will increase your wealth in the future. I know is not easy to take a heavy risk like this, but there is a gain to every risk you are taking in the time of bearish season to invest and you will receive a good results at the end of your investment.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on March 04, 2024, 03:38:39 PM

Quote from: Sun2k on March 04, 2024, 03:25:03 PM

Quote from: Oshosondy on February 28, 2024, 03:08:39 PM

If bitcoin is at $60000 and you long it with 3x, the liquidation would be around $40000. If you can take the risk, you can go for it.

Hi, what calculation did you do to find the liquidation price please?

It is simple.

Bitcoin price at $60000 and you open 3x long position.

$60000 ÷ 3 = $20000

$60000 - $20000 = $40000 which is the liquidation price.

There would be a slight difference on the exchange and that is how exchanges are. You can see the liquidation price slightly closer but of very little difference from your calculation. On some exchanges, the liquidation price may be slightly be farther because the exchange keep some money for you instead of using all to open a position.

OP can open a trade and can have a stop loss before the liquidation price if they want to have less risk and have lesser loss just in case Bitcoin goes down that deeply.

Another thing is it depends on the trader's risk tolerance and way of trading because for example the risk-reward ratio and how much profit that OP wants.

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Bitcoin futures trading is much safer than other coins so if you want to invest with a lot of leverage then this investment may be right for you and you can move forward. If you invest at 3x leverage right now, even if the market is dumping, you will not liquidate because the market will have to go down a lot for your liquidation, but the chances of this happening are low. Relatively more risk must be taken to make higher profits. You can definitely invest in this plan if you can take the risk of your money and you can maintain your investment by fixing a specific target.

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Quote from: VeilVortex on February 28, 2024, 03:02:00 PM

Hey guys!
I have a question... do you think it's a good idea to invest BTC in futures now? With 3x leverage so as not to run as much liquidation risk?

Or do you think it's better to put my €100 in a wallet and wait?

Thank you for the help!

Already bitcoin is over 65 thousand 64 thousand dollars and a hundred doesn't matter other than that I think currently because 15 thousand dollars in 2022. Sixteen thousand dollars came to that. Currently saying four times the probability you are saying three sisters is four times if maybe three hours doesn't matter then it could be 100k dollars. But we all have to be aware that you are training those who are investing on bitcoin, you must not go to make much profit here because the market can go down at any time and it can go up at any time, no one can tell where the market will go. Your digital currency is the stock market. You must depend on the fact that no one can tell when the stock market will go where. But I can say from my personal experience that Bitcoin will come at a time when a hundred thousand dollars won't seem like anything to it when it can become 100k dollars.

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Quote from: tvplus006 on March 04, 2024, 05:23:33 PM

I think that Oshosondy gave the wrong calculation and, accordingly, may mislead you. Look at how the support of the Binance exchange explains such a question to "How to Calculate Margin Liquidation Price", as an example, x3 leverage is used there, exactly what you are interested in - https://www.binance.com/en/support/faq/how-to-calculate-margin-liquidation-price-f6b010588e55413aa58b7d63ee0125ed

I am wrong? Okay let us assume that I am wrong. If bitcoin is at $60000 and you go 3x leverage to open a long position, what price would be the liquidation price? You can not say that I am wrong if you do not give the answer. Give the answer in bitcoin price with prove and not just refer to any article.

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Quote from: Sun2k on March 04, 2024, 04:02:16 PM

Quote from: Oshosondy on March 04, 2024, 03:38:39 PM

Quote from: Sun2k on March 04, 2024, 03:25:03 PM

Quote from: Oshosondy on February 28, 2024, 03:08:39 PM

If bitcoin is at $60000 and you long it with 3x, the liquidation would be around $40000. If you can take the risk, you can go for it.

Hi, what calculation did you do to find the liquidation price please?

It is simple.

Bitcoin price at $60000 and you open 3x long position.

$60000 ÷ 3 = $20000

$60000 - $20000 = $40000 which is the liquidation price.

There would be a slight difference on the exchange and that is how exchanges are. You can see the liquidation price slightly closer but of very little difference from your calculation. On some exchanges, the liquidation price may be slightly be farther because the exchange keep some money for you instead of using all to open a position.

Ok thank you very much

I think that Oshosondy gave the wrong calculation and, accordingly, may mislead you. Look at how the support of the Binance exchange explains such a question to "How to Calculate Margin Liquidation Price", as an example, x3 leverage is used there, exactly what you are interested in - https://www.binance.com/en/support/faq/how-to-calculate-margin-liquidation-price-f6b010588e55413aa58b7d63ee0125ed

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Quote from: Oshosondy on March 04, 2024, 03:38:39 PM

Quote from: Sun2k on March 04, 2024, 03:25:03 PM

Quote from: Oshosondy on February 28, 2024, 03:08:39 PM

If bitcoin is at $60000 and you long it with 3x, the liquidation would be around $40000. If you can take the risk, you can go for it.

Hi, what calculation did you do to find the liquidation price please?

It is simple.

Bitcoin price at $60000 and you open 3x long position.

$60000 ÷ 3 = $20000

$60000 - $20000 = $40000 which is the liquidation price.

There would be a slight difference on the exchange and that is how exchanges are. You can see the liquidation price slightly closer but of very little difference from your calculation. On some exchanges, the liquidation price may be slightly be farther because the exchange keep some money for you instead of using all to open a position.

Ok thank you very much

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Quote from: Oshosondy on February 28, 2024, 03:08:39 PM

Quote from: VeilVortex on February 28, 2024, 03:02:00 PM

I have a question... do you think it's a good idea to invest BTC in futures now? With 3x leverage so as not to run as much liquidation risk?

If bitcoin is at $60000 and you long it with 3x, the liquidation would be around $40000. If you can take the risk, you can go for it.

Waa, this is risky enough, for me, I am not taking this high risk. But not really sure with the OP.

In fact, if the OP wants to utilize or optimize his €100, why should he choose to do it in Future trading? Isn't it true that with this, the risk of losing it could be higher? Indeed, maybe you will also get high profits, but if you don't understand the tactics, this will actually endanger your money.

So, wouldn't it be better if you wanted to save that €100, it would be better if you bought Bitcoin and held the BTC until at least the next bullish era? Is not it?

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Quote from: Oshosondy on February 28, 2024, 03:08:39 PM

Quote from: VeilVortex on February 28, 2024, 03:02:00 PM

I have a question... do you think it's a good idea to invest BTC in futures now? With 3x leverage so as not to run as much liquidation risk?

If bitcoin is at $60000 and you long it with 3x, the liquidation would be around $40000. If you can take the risk, you can go for it.

Future trading is full of nothing than risk, this does not only ends there, but we are on the chance of loosing the entire investment if liquidated, i don't think we should go for such as we cannot afford to miss the fund we have earned to use for trading, even though we are having other alternatives, taking risk on what can completely take away our fund is part of what some people have used against trading by the way they termed it the same as gambling.

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Quote from: Sun2k on March 04, 2024, 03:25:03 PM

Quote from: Oshosondy on February 28, 2024, 03:08:39 PM

If bitcoin is at $60000 and you long it with 3x, the liquidation would be around $40000. If you can take the risk, you can go for it.

Hi, what calculation did you do to find the liquidation price please?

It is simple.

Bitcoin price at $60000 and you open 3x long position.

$60000 ÷ 3 = $20000

$60000 - $20000 = $40000 which is the liquidation price.

There would be a slight difference on the exchange and that is how exchanges are. You can see the liquidation price slightly closer but of very little difference from your calculation. On some exchanges, the liquidation price may be slightly be farther because the exchange keep some money for you instead of using all to open a position.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on February 28, 2024, 03:08:39 PM

If bitcoin is at $60000 and you long it with 3x, the liquidation would be around $40000. If you can take the risk, you can go for it.

Hi, what calculation did you do to find the liquidation price please?

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Right now for a new trader, its crazy to trade futures. Even if its low leverage. Reason being is that the funding rate is crazy high.

At the moment its almost 100% APR for annual. But everyday its 0.25%. So if someone goes 10x long and holds the position for 4 days. They are pretty much out 10% of their maintaince margin. Because its 1% for 4 days in funding and at 10x leverage its 10 times as high. Its a receipt for disaster. Not recommended at all. Stay with spot.

This is why I am not going to be surprised if we get some liquidation event soon because there is too much leverage in the crypto markets.

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Quote from: JayTrain on March 01, 2024, 03:48:24 PM

My take on this is as follows: investing in BTC futures with 3x 5x 10x leverage entails a high level of risk due to the possibility of liquidation. At the same time, holding BTC in a wallet is a safer option, albeit less profitable. Considering the upward trend in Bitcoin's dynamics, it's probably better to wait before making a final decision. The decision depends on your comfort level with risk and investment goals.

nah waiting too much in this case will miss the opportunity of having good increase, but the thing is, bitcoin already rising high, at some point it will have correction or at least i believe so, i reckon the increase will not just smooth sailing in the future, therefore having position of future with high leverage might be risky but lets be honest, back before bitcoin pumping some weeks ago if not month, its also seemed risky to do future with high leverage but see those people that just go on entrying at previous floor, they are having good profit right now.
one thing need to know for OP, future with high leverage means you are more vulnerable towards price swing, if youre not so sure, how about sit back and decrease that leverage rate, at least to 2x maybe, so that price swing won't cause you harm or at least the insignificant ones, decrease that leverage and then you're good to go.

if i were you though i would just trade spot, buy bitcoin as much as I can, we all know its calm before the storm and this storm that im talking about is the massive bullrun thats about to come.
maybe spot trading will be better for you.

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Quote from: VeilVortex on February 28, 2024, 03:02:00 PM

Hey guys!
I have a question... do you think it's a good idea to invest BTC in futures now? With 3x leverage so as not to run as much liquidation risk?

Or do you think it's better to put my €100 in a wallet and wait?

Thank you for the help!

3x, 5x, 10x whatever you call futures trading I think is very risky. Because if you have no experience in the market then you can lose your money in any way at any moment. In this case I can advise you to make your 100 euro bitcoins and keep it in your wallet if you keep your 100 euro in your wallet then I think you can get good returns from here and also if you go to futures trading you will definitely lose it is 100% sure. Because so far I haven't met a person who hasn't lost from futures trading.

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