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why doesn't deadsea33 actually come forward and take a stand on all these accusations/merit abuse... Huh Roll Eyes
In the previous threads, he never bothered to defend himself that much, and it's likely to be the same in this thread. That's his trait, probably.

If you guys are having a lot of headache gauging whose accused alt accounts are deadsea33's. Just look in the detail. The accounts that haven't come forth until now to claim their innocence should be highly suspicious. I mean, that's deadsea33's way of reacting to accusations, isn't it?  Cheesy
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Yes, it's true that I couldn't participate in (sygan's 2) because it ended on February 10, 2022, which is about 1.5 years ago since I created my account. But deadsea33 was mentioning him in his game.
I will never believe in my life that you are a beginner. Don't take everyone here for fools.You posted the first post on the forum and had already participated in the quiz. What is the reason for participation? Merit search. Further regular spam in the WO thread, What is Your reason for being there? The same merit. Now that participation in the deadsea33 "quiz" begins, what do we see? Again, the search for merit
You have not created a single post, all the time, except for posts in the Arabic local section.
Is it possible for a beginner to guess the nicknames of people if he has been registered for only a few months? You know many, but in order to definitely know everyone, as you often guessed, several months on the forum is not enough.
As a result, you came to the forum thinking of getting an easy alternative account.
He skipped past your post ignoring it completely. The fact he made no effort at all to address any point you raised shows the account is probably sure tags will be forthcoming and is trying to stop themselves from making more errors.

Unfortunately, @deadsea33 tried to hide the past of that account, it is difficult to know if it was an alt account, but the distribution of merit between him and _Hiloveua_ is sufficient to accuse him of selling merits, if not an alternative account (I note that there is a difference in the local boards and I do not think that _Hiloveua_ speaks Arabic, but uses Google translator)
It is worth noting hugeblack has mentioned his opinions clearly as far as the _Hiloveua_ account is concerned. If this member is using online translators to deceive others in to believing they are multi-lingual (if not bi-lingual) then what is their aim for the charade?

why doesn't deadsea33 actually come forward and take a stand on all these accusations/merit abuse... Huh Roll Eyes
As deadsea33 has not answered, I will take a guess and say maybe he is too busy using the other farmed accounts under his control to meet their signature campaign quotas or he is trying to build them up in order to join signature campaigns. He does not have much use left for the sold/hacked deadsea33 account now.
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Personally, I think that Merit shouldn't be given that way. Just what's the point? Will someone's post quality improve by playing that game? I think that just gives spammers the possibility to rank up and there is a bright example in front of us how someone used that moment wisely but failed.
Everything can be abused if not run or moderated properly. There should be some rules that mitigate the possibility of abuse.

When I started my game, I thought it would be something fun for the beginners. An activity everyone could participate in, guess a few terms, and earn merits if done correctly. I wasn't wrong. You need some knowledge to guess crypto-related words, but there are, of course, ways to cheat. Especially now. Personally, I see no problem in organizing such events. It's those who abuse it by selling merits or meriting their own alts that destroy everything. 
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why doesn't deadsea33 actually come forward and take a stand on all these accusations/merit abuse... Huh Roll Eyes
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You have not contributed in any capacity within the forum therefore can you explain specifically why you feel you should not receive a neutral or negative tag for merit abuse?

Yes, it's true that I couldn't participate in (sygan's 2) because it ended on February 10, 2022, which is about 1.5 years ago since I created my account. But deadsea33 was mentioning him in his game.


I'm sorry for misspelling cygan.
Yes, I have not contributed to the forum. But you are doing a lot of work for the forum. So what's wrong with remembering you?
This may be an abuse of merit, for deadsea33. My account name : _Hiloveua_
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It's sad that there could be an ulterior motive behind running this game for the community.
Personally, I think that Merit shouldn't be given that way. Just what's the point? Will someone's post quality improve by playing that game? I think that just gives spammers the possibility to rank up and there is a bright example in front of us how someone used that moment wisely but failed.

If a member with hardly any posts worth reading and hardly anything positive to contribute to the forum starts a Get Merits thread, that is highly suspicious. When members with little to no history or contributions or newbies miraculously find themselves on that thread receiving merits then that too is highly suspicious.

When the same members are repeatedly given merits seconds after the next game is posted because again they are miraculously online at the correct time, then that too is highly suspicious. Also, what makes it more fascinating is that almost none of the games were posted at the time deadsea33 announced, they were taking place later yet miraculously certain members were there posting and collecting merits.

That is either too many miracles in one thread or something suspicious is definitely going on.
Nothing is suspicious, everything is logical.
This was a very funny excuse by the way:
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@_Hiloveua_ You gave great answers, you have already got 50 merits from this word game. The merit of the correct answers you have given in round 14 cannot be sent to you now, maybe it is the merit system of the forum, one forum user cannot send more than 50 merits to another user in 30 days.

Don't worry friend, I will save all the correct answers from round 14 to the last round. And after 30 days I will send all your correct answer merits.
Don't worry friend, I'll send you another merits too after 30 days, what a funny  Cheesy Cheesy

Also, _Hiloveua_ guessed too many complicated words and member names. Guy also found out that merits are easily given in Wall Observer thread and was posting nonsense there before that thread. Sorry but I don't believe that he isn't an alt of someone.
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Yes, it's true that I couldn't participate in (sygan's 2) because it ended on February 10, 2022, which is about 1.5 years ago since I created my account. But deadsea33 was mentioning him in his game.

I will never believe in my life that you are a beginner. Don't take everyone here for fools.You posted the first post on the forum and had already participated in the quiz. What is the reason for participation? Merit search. Further regular spam in the WO thread, What is Your reason for being there? The same merit. Now that participation in the deadsea33 "quiz" begins, what do we see? Again, the search for merit
You have not created a single post, all the time, except for posts in the Arabic local section.
Is it possible for a beginner to guess the nicknames of people if he has been registered for only a few months? You know many, but in order to definitely know everyone, as you often guessed, several months on the forum is not enough.
As a result, you came to the forum thinking of getting an easy alternative account.
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I have read your post above and have also been through your post history and seen that it is mostly nonsense being spouted for the sake of trying to end up with merits.

You are failing at trying to insult our intelligence with your failed attempts at subliminal misdirection.

It has been noted you did not have any problem spelling his name correctly when it suits your needs (to gain merits in the scam merit thread) even though you had already jumbled the name for your suspected alt-account to decipher, yet you type it wrong here in the hope of causing a diversion when you want to try misdirecting members.

You have not contributed in any capacity within the forum therefore can you explain specifically why you feel you should not receive a neutral or negative tag for merit abuse?


Yes, it's true that I couldn't participate in (sygan's 2) because it ended on February 10, 2022, which is about 1.5 years ago since I created my account. But deadsea33 was mentioning him in his game.

Quote from: _Hiloveua_ link=topic=5457225.msg62472493#msg62472493
Round 13:

6. yncag - cygan
7. aYstan - Yatsan
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And the game (cygan's 2.0) was helpful for me.
Except you never got a single merit from him, and you didn't participate in the game...

Yes, it's true that I couldn't participate in (sygan's 2) because it ended on February 10, 2022, which is about 1.5 years ago since I created my account. But deadsea33 was mentioning him in his game.
legendary
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It appears as if this person is using their bounty/sig campaign earnings to purchase older accounts. They really thought they hit the treasure trove with this deadsea33 account but this merit game is proving to be their own undoing.

The below accounts can be connected through BSC transactions, but I think they aren't related the deadsea33/_hiloveua_ and its the second alt farm that was mentioned earlier:

Madu$11
Ripon9909
Rbolisna
Ki kos (merited by Rbolisna)
Mal$11 (connected to a ban evading bounty cheater by me here)
Mix002 (same as above)

But based on this comment it would appear the two account farmers are in competition with each other  Cheesy

@Madu$11 You are a cheater, 1st time you copied (RTR~)'s answer, 2nd time you copied (_Hiloveua_)'s answer, you are disqualified from this word game.

Please don't participate in this game again.




IMO you don't fit the pattern of most of the other accounts mentioned in this thread, so I'm inclined to believe you. For example, you wrote a couple of interesting posts about the Lightning Network early on that seemed to be fairly original, which is just not something that your average account farmer is doing.



And the game (cygan's 2.0) was helpful for me.

Except you never got a single merit from him, and you didn't participate in the game...

I am very ashamed because he (deadsea33) was opening this thread to hide his misdeeds and I was participating in this game.

further, as soon as he (deadsea33) became a full member, he finished the game and joined its signature campaign. It is clear from this that he was starting this game for his rankup.

Now that the deadsea33 account is burned, it seems like you have no problem turning on it, even though it likely belongs to you. However, the evidence is insufficient at the moment to warrant a tag.
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Good day everyone.

sorry for the late reply and thanks for sending PM by Jollygood.

I came here and found that deadsea33's merit histroy is being investigated.

I'll be the first to say, I have no connection to deadsea33, but it's true that I earn the most merit from the word games he runs.

I'm new to this forum but have been for about 6 months. To say that I have some kind of attitude towards this forum. I like to learn. Its doing a good job for me for the word game.

as stalker22 bro says, I haven't given a single wrong answer in this game, yes that's right, I am doing total 48 posts in this game (from Cantsay post) not one of them was wrong.

despite the fact that his answers were often given just a few minutes after starting a new round. Even if he found some effective way to recognize words (I do not know if there are online dictionaries that can assist with these types of games)

Actually there is no online dictionary for it. but When (deadsea33) started this word game he conducted 1st 12 rounds about cryptocurrency, ( Pmalek ) and ( cygan 1.0 ) games were helpful for me, also I had good understanding about cryptocurrency.

Then when he (deadsea33) changed the rules of his game, I didn't want to participate in this game, but I love knowledge gain so I started to persevere again, then I note the names of this forum Administration, DT member, BM (who contributed a lot for this forum) and mastered it. And the game (cygan's 2.0) was helpful for me.

I am very ashamed because he (deadsea33) was opening this thread to hide his misdeeds and I was participating in this game.

further, as soon as he (deadsea33) became a full member, he finished the game and joined its signature campaign. It is clear from this that he was starting this game for his rankup.



And deadsea33 this is not my accout, my account name; _Hiloveua_

My account registration date : January 03, 2023
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Having said that, I would like to ask you something. I request you to make another statement based on this: Will you state that this Hatchy account is the only one you have ever used in this forum?

I'm sorry for replying late, as I have been trying to find my first account which was ip banned here on Bitcointalk immediately after registration. I just don't remember much details (username) about it, as it wasn't useful since it's ip has already been used by other users for malicious activities so I didn't bother to save it's logins.  After getting this banned ip message, I decided to read some other thread on how to register here on Bitcointalk and so I saw that I could use the VPNs/tor to remove a banned ip. 

Good news for you is that you risk nothing by using VPNs/Tor as far as Bitcointalk goes, so if that's the only thing holding you back, you can go crazy and run them simultaneously all you want.

This was how I was able to register my current account @hatchy.

I read your post in great detail but am not impressed with what you wrote, nor do I believe you nor do I have any sympathy for you.
I'm sorry if you still don't believe, as I would also love to see this investigation till the end to clear my innocence. And like I said earlier, I'm here to plead my account of spam,as I never had bad intentions before participating in @deadsea33's game.

With all these happening, I will definitely have to stay clear from any merit spree thread next time I see one and same advice goes for other newbies or members. Again, I have nothing to hide so please do well to mention me if you have more questions.
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I won't say with all assurance but since the account is on investigation he would decide to abandoned the account and create alternative means to dispatch the smerits left in deadsea33, from my observation if he was that real and wanted to prove ownership he would had come to clear up the claims and allegations labeled on the account. With what few people had said over here I am not surprised he purposefully carried out this mission in other to get other account ready if at which deadsea33 is band he would have an alternative to back up or to continue his involvements in the forum.
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Hilo is a big doubt
Can you explain why you think that is the case.

Please feel free to mention me if you have any questions, and I'll be happy to answer.
I read your post in great detail but am not impressed with what you wrote, nor do I believe you nor do I have any sympathy for you.

Having said that, I would like to ask you something. I request you to make another statement based on this: Will you state that this Hatchy account is the only one you have ever used in this forum?


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Another interesting point is that "_Hiloveua_" never once offered a wrong answer in the "Complete the Word Game" , despite the fact that his answers were often given just a few minutes after starting a new round. Even if he found some effective way to recognize words (I do not know if there are online dictionaries that can assist with these types of games), statistically speaking, he should have offered at least one incorrect word matching the given pattern. Unless, of course, he knew all the correct answers in advance, and the entire game was merely a farce for merit abuse.
The merit competition thread was an absolute farce trying to hide behind a false legitimacy of a game of fun. _Hiloveua_ is the main beneficiary of the whole farce when it comes to the number of merits received but others have also benefitted. For the _Hiloveua_ account to post correct replies on numerous occasions within minutes of the questions being posted, is clearly suspicious to say the least.

That was the main reason I stopped the game, while searching for words I normally use the "7 letter words with n at the 3rd position" as my keyword and even with that I still come across so many results that would have been a perfect choice but for @_hiloveua_ not missing anyone or making a wrong choice is kinda suspicious.

Sorry to ask, @JollyGood did you PM them about this thread? because I can see that only @hatchy has replied to this thread meanwhile some others are active in the forum but haven't said anything concerning the thread. I doubt that they are using telegram notification bot so it will be a good idea to pm them if you haven't done so already.
As the Hatchy account has posted/pleaded innocence here, I have sent a PM to the accounts mentioned in the OP but other members will be sent PMs after the OP is updated.

Hilo is a big doubt
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Another interesting point is that "_Hiloveua_" never once offered a wrong answer in the "Complete the Word Game" , despite the fact that his answers were often given just a few minutes after starting a new round. Even if he found some effective way to recognize words (I do not know if there are online dictionaries that can assist with these types of games), statistically speaking, he should have offered at least one incorrect word matching the given pattern. Unless, of course, he knew all the correct answers in advance, and the entire game was merely a farce for merit abuse.
The merit competition thread was an absolute farce trying to hide behind a false legitimacy of a game of fun. _Hiloveua_ is the main beneficiary of the whole farce when it comes to the number of merits received but others have also benefitted. For the _Hiloveua_ account to post correct replies on numerous occasions within minutes of the questions being posted, is clearly suspicious to say the least.

That was the main reason I stopped the game, while searching for words I normally use the "7 letter words with n at the 3rd position" as my keyword and even with that I still come across so many results that would have been a perfect choice but for @_hiloveua_ not missing anyone or making a wrong choice is kinda suspicious.

Sorry to ask, @JollyGood did you PM them about this thread? because I can see that only @hatchy has replied to this thread meanwhile some others are active in the forum but haven't said anything concerning the thread. I doubt that they are using telegram notification bot so it will be a good idea to pm them if you haven't done so already.
As the Hatchy account has posted/pleaded innocence here, I have sent a PM to the accounts mentioned in the OP but other members will be sent PMs after the OP is updated.

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Even if he found some effective way to recognize words (I do not know if there are online dictionaries that can assist with these types of games), statistically speaking, he should have offered at least one incorrect word matching the given pattern. Unless, of course, he knew all the correct answers in advance, and the entire game was merely a farce for merit abuse.

That was the main reason I stopped the game, while searching for words I normally use the "7 letter words with n at the 3rd position" as my keyword and even with that I still come across so many results that would have been a perfect choice but for @_hiloveua_ not missing anyone or making a wrong choice is kinda suspicious.

Sorry to ask, @JollyGood did you PM them about this thread? because I can see that only @hatchy has replied to this thread meanwhile some others are active in the forum but haven't said anything concerning the thread. I doubt that they are using telegram notification bot so it will be a good idea to pm them if you haven't done so already.
legendary
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As of right now we cannot be sure if the relationship between the two accounts is one of merit abuse between one account farmer or merit selling between accounts operated by different account farmers.

Of the most compelling cases of the suspected nefarious activity with the deadsea33 account at the centre it is the _Hiloveua_ account. That account simply stands out the most because not only has the _Hiloveua_ account already received merits on 24 different occasions to the total of 50 merits, deadsea33 posted that he owes 28 merits to the _Hiloveua_ account which will be given on 29th July 2023. The post is here.

Another interesting point is that "_Hiloveua_" never once offered a wrong answer in the "Complete the Word Game" , despite the fact that his answers were often given just a few minutes after starting a new round. Even if he found some effective way to recognize words (I do not know if there are online dictionaries that can assist with these types of games), statistically speaking, he should have offered at least one incorrect word matching the given pattern. Unless, of course, he knew all the correct answers in advance, and the entire game was merely a farce for merit abuse.
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btw here is the thread mentioned: deadsea33's "Complete the Word Game and Get Merits"
Thankfully the merit abuse thread created by deadsea33 is locked.

Nice discovery OP. Few of those indeed are questionable, so i'll put them on ignore list for now.
The person currently controlling the deadsea33 account made that thread with the intention of merit abuse. If you ignore them now you will not be able to read their (probably laughable) replies when they post a defence denying wrongdoing.

Slightly OT but that really is the rub isn't it.
If I made my full post quota here every week (I don't) the amount of extra money is nice. But it's not going to make a difference in my life. Don't get me wrong $7500 a year is a nice income to post where I was posting for free anyway.

But, for people in other places it is life altering money. So they get greedy and want more.

Think about it, if you can make more then the national average where you live posting here then farm a few more accounts and make even more.
And then you try to make even more money and.....
That is exactly what it comes down to: money

A large number of members participate in signature campaigns and there is nothing wrong with that. For some it is life-changing to earn more in a month here than in their jobs therefore they mismanage the situation.

If they have farmed accounts which are not used for merit abuse, not used for revenge feedback, not used for revenge trust inclusion/exclusion and not used for DT manipulation and they post enough to meet quota for their campaigns then that is different from using the Reputation board trying to remove a neutral tag and getting noticed. If the signature campaign was of such significance they would have refrained from involving themselves in anything beyond their signature campaign quota.

In many cases at least signature campaign participants have contributed positively in some capacity to this wonderful forum of ours but when the greed (as you put it) takes over they lower the bar with low quality participation via their posts and that too can be seen.

Unless they ban sig campaigns all that can be done is fight against it as best we can.
Thankfully some members are trying to use the Reputation board to post about these types of things, there is no other option.
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Today, while checking my notifications, I noticed that I have been mentioned in the investigation of @deadsea33. It is true that I earned a lot of merits from his game, which might be considered merit abuse. However, I want to clarify that I have no connection with @deadsea33, neither as an alt account nor a merit farm. it's my first time hearing such word here on the forum.
Like any other user, I came across his game in late June and decided to join for fun, as it would be my first game since joining the forum in April.




I started playing from round 2 And as you can see,  I attempted his game multiple times during the second and third rounds  but didn't answer correctly. From round 4 to round 7, I earned a few merits and then stopped playing due to other commitments. I returned to the game in round 12 when the pattern changed and it became more difficult, focusing on the names of legendary members. As a new member to the forum, I found it challenging to answer because I wasn't familiar with most legendary members. This made me less interested, and I only played when I had the chance.

Another aspect that discouraged me from playing his game was that he never stuck to his schedule.

Somehow, whenever I check this page, the rounds are already completed and I see the schedule for the next round.
Then, when I visit the page the next day, the rounds are completed once again.
However, this time, I have carefully observed the time of the post and it has already been over 5 hours, yet the round has not started yet.
It's time for me to sleep and I am sure that when I return tomorrow, the rounds will be completed once again  Grin
I guess I am unlucky to take part in this game.
Report to moderator

Like other members, I waited for hours to get a notification about his game, but I never received any. When I returned after some time, I saw that they had already completed more rounds, so I eventually stopped playing and left the game.

Regarding his suspicious activities, I also noticed that an account that had been inactive for a long time suddenly became active, distributing merits, and deleting some posts. This raised suspicions. After @hugeblack tagged him


 he created a post explaining why he became active after a long time.

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I registered in this forum in 4/25/2013 . I was regularly active in this forum till 2018. After that suddenly due to family and personal problems I could not active in the forum like before.
Then after becoming active once in 1/3/2021, I thought I will be active regularly from now on, so I changed the password once. My luck was bad then, again I had to fight for my family. Then I thought that after becoming active, I will start from zero. Moreover, many of my posts were of poor quality. So I deleted almost all my posts.
Also, a forum member can delete his own post, this is not an anti-forum act. So anyone can do this.
I forgot the password so i 6/17/2023 date reset the password through email. Then I use new email and strong password to strengthen security.
I don't see anything wrong in doing this for the security of my account. Hope you understand.
And Starting a word game for all forum members especially new members to gain knowledge and share good things


 Many members dropped messages for him to prove ownership of the account,but he never returned to that thread to address their suspicions. In my opinion, he either bought his account from an old member or created the game to gain enough activity quickly and rank up to a full member since he already had enough merits but lacked activity.

And to add up, during his game, he didn't post on other threads or topics and then, he immediately applied for a signature campaign just a few days after finishing his game and ranking up, which raises more questions.


I want to plead my innocence, as I had nothing to do with @deadsea33 and was merely fortunate to have won some merits from his game, just like other members did. If you check my merit history, you'll see that I've earned more merits since leaving his game. merits from his game only gave me a boost. I hope this matter is thoroughly investigated to prove my innocence. Thank you all for listening to me.

Please feel free to mention me if you have any questions, and I'll be happy to answer.
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