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legendary
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August 14, 2012, 04:44:11 PM
"it is different this time" is often heard during speculative opportunities. stereotypical statement for sure.

That's not what I meant.  My point is that the June 2011 event was indeed a bubble and that the current rally is a different event altogether.  I'm not saying that is it not a bubble.  It could well be major bubble #2. Let's see a year from now.

Or... the June 2011 bubble wasn't a bubble at all, but simply the kind of drop you would expect when the exchange through which 90% of all BTC transactions are made is compromised.

Everything else about Bitcoin requires a re-think of previous paradigms. Maybe we should start applying the logic to the bubble paradigm as well.
legendary
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bitcoin - the aerogel of money
August 14, 2012, 04:37:06 PM
"it is different this time" is often heard during speculative opportunities. stereotypical statement for sure.

That's not what I meant.  My point is that the June 2011 event was indeed a bubble and that the current rally is a different event altogether.  I'm not saying that is it not a bubble.  It could well be major bubble #2. Let's see a year from now.
legendary
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August 14, 2012, 03:36:12 PM
I agree, the market-cap is starting to look bubbly steep:  http://blockchain.info/charts/market-cap

But show me a security (or whatever) that has had 2 bubbles in a row in such a short period.

We haven't forgotten.

This may be why this rally is not exuberant.  Several times now when the asks grew thin the buyers simply slowed buying instead of panicing.  This behavior looks like an "accumulation strategy" by well capitalized professional individuals or institutions to me.  People who want to be sure the bid volume fills in before proceeding...

And the interest is rationally justified by the current economic conditions surrounding fiat currencies.  And by bitcoin's ability to move value rapidly worldwide.  So why aren't other escape hatches (PMs) rallying?  IDK but possibly because they already have.

Having lived thru the internet, housing and BTC bubbles, I think that if we are in a bubble from 5-12 then somebody's put the world on slo-mo (and mute).  Smiley

legendary
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August 14, 2012, 02:42:40 PM

like a media-hype because journalists realize @$30 that bitcoin somehow survived?

This will be really significant, because one of the supposed ways in which you can retroactively define something as a "bubble" (or ponzi) is that, after bursting, it does not recover for a very long time (if at all).  So if Bitcoin were to retake the 30s anytime soon, it would forcibly shut up and discredit anyone using (or who has used) ad-hominems like "bubble" or "ponzi" to attack it.

1 year is a very very long time in bitcoinland.

The current rally isn't a "recovery" from the June 2011 bubble, but a new phenomenon altogether. The fundamentals driving the price are completely different this time, as are the traders.  My guess is that most people who speculated in the June 2011 bubble have long cashed out and forgotten about bitcoin, and are not coming back, at least not until the "late majority" and "laggard" phases.

"it is different this time" is often heard during speculative opportunities. stereotypical statement for sure.

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A major characteristic of speculative bubbles is the lack of ways to correctly value the underlying asset. Many bubbles, such as the technology bubble of the late 1990s, develop and grow due to giant expectations of the future success or appreciation of the often-misunderstood asset.


"So it is natural to expect that an information cascade is especially likely to develop in response to a genuinely new and different investment opportunity, one that is completely outside the realm of most investors’ personal experience. And this is exactly what is happening when we hear talk about new industries and new technologies that promise to revolutionize the economy (ibid. 48)."
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fun fun fun

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"Affirmative messages that build crowd unity are not usually appeals to the intellect of crowd members. Instead they are appeals to emotion, to stereotypes, to dreams or fears. The language of persuasion and crowd solidarity is the language of drama, not science (ibid. 56)."
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sr. member
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https://www.soar.earth/
August 14, 2012, 02:12:50 PM
You do realise that since inception only during a 2 month period price of 1 BTC was higher than it is now?

(and only for 1 week above 20$)


Truly remarkable indeed. If considered, it really does say a lot about the current situation.
legendary
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bitcoin - the aerogel of money
August 14, 2012, 02:07:47 PM
like a media-hype because journalists realize @$30 that bitcoin somehow survived?

This will be really significant, because one of the supposed ways in which you can retroactively define something as a "bubble" (or ponzi) is that, after bursting, it does not recover for a very long time (if at all).  So if Bitcoin were to retake the 30s anytime soon, it would forcibly shut up and discredit anyone using (or who has used) ad-hominems like "bubble" or "ponzi" to attack it.

1 year is a very very long time in bitcoinland.

The current rally isn't a "recovery" from the June 2011 bubble, but a new phenomenon altogether. The fundamentals driving the price are completely different this time, as are the traders.  My guess is that most people who speculated in the June 2011 bubble have long cashed out and forgotten about bitcoin, and are not coming back, at least not until the "late majority" and "laggard" phases.
full member
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August 14, 2012, 12:43:28 PM
You do realise that since inception only during a 2 month period price of 1 BTC was higher than it is now?

(and only for 1 week above 20$)


Good point

Bitcoin has been going through multiple bubbles from the beginning and peak prices has remained stable for longer and longer periods.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
August 14, 2012, 12:40:44 PM
You do realise that since inception only during a 2 month period price of 1 BTC was higher than it is now?

(and only for 1 week above 20$)


Good point
hero member
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August 14, 2012, 11:55:46 AM
You do realise that since inception only during a 2 month period price of 1 BTC was higher than it is now?

(and only for 1 week above 20$)
legendary
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August 10, 2012, 12:58:29 PM
Pretty cool, had to draw a secondary trend-line since we've been diverging from the original. (From around the 8.50 area 11 days ago.) So, primary support at 11.00 with the longer term trendline suggesting another level around 10.00

Interesting to watch...
legendary
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August 10, 2012, 11:46:01 AM
EDIT:  That wall got eaten down to 2k pretty quickly but 5 minutes later was built back with another 5k bid  -- somebody is seriously accumulating at or below 11.50.
EDIT2: Whoops! Another 7k just added to the wall!

You don't say?
legendary
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August 10, 2012, 10:51:31 AM
Its funny, I was just about to post that we were trending down -- asks above 5 have declined by about 200k, bids below 15 increasing.  But I just wrote one other comment and bam! the 11.06 weakness evoked a real 5k+ askwall that already pushed the price to 11.50!

EDIT:  That wall got eaten down to 2k pretty quickly but 5 minutes later was built back with another 5k bid  -- somebody is seriously accumulating at or below 11.50.
EDIT2: Whoops! Another 7k just added to the wall!
hero member
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August 09, 2012, 01:22:42 PM


lol, no sellers or some glitch?


No sellers, but no-one is seriously going to buy since no one wants to sell - it's something of a standoff.
donator
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August 09, 2012, 07:15:42 AM


lol, no sellers or some glitch?
legendary
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legendary
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Marketing manager - GO MP
August 07, 2012, 02:00:37 AM
You might compress the timescales or not. I admit this is kind of convenient from a prediction standpoint because it gives 2 different results.
Also I am not proudhon Wink
legendary
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August 07, 2012, 01:33:52 AM
Hah, I ask for odds and he gives me a silver chart...

Okay, lets just buckle in then and see what happens Smiley
legendary
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August 06, 2012, 06:22:23 PM
You're going to be waiting for looooooooooong time.

Care to give me an over/under on that? I'm curious.
something similar probably...



Looks like we are where silver was in 2006... sounds good to me Smiley
legendary
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Marketing manager - GO MP
August 06, 2012, 05:21:54 PM
You're going to be waiting for looooooooooong time.

Care to give me an over/under on that? I'm curious.
something similar probably...

legendary
Activity: 2408
Merit: 1121
August 06, 2012, 02:46:47 PM
You're going to be waiting for looooooooooong time.

Care to give me an over/under on that? I'm curious.
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