I recommend it. Stay thirsty, my friends! Merry Xmas!
Stay satiated people, that is it! Be careful with the "dehydration" of the mind!
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Stay satiated people, that is it! Be careful with the "dehydration" of the mind!
@augustocroppo & @firstascent
I listen to him now and then and i like his philosophical idea's, the free market utopia side of his idea's i like less but you can learn something from everything. even if you dont fully agree.
What exactly is your problem with the work of stephan molyneux?, which things he says do you not like'
I listen to him now and then and i like his philosophical idea's, the free market utopia side of his idea's i like less but you can learn something from everything. even if you dont fully agree.
What exactly is your problem with the work of stephan molyneux?, which things he says do you not like'
Stephan Molyneux is a delusional sophist. The paper offered by him does not have one single reference to any another work. Thus, his philosophy is selfish and void. A true philosopher/scientist would base his works on the discoveries of other philosophers/scientists. Look at history, Aristotle, Kant, Cappra and Dawkins, etc. All these philosophers/scientists studied other philosophers/scientists to form their theories. They did not just decide that their own thinking was the only source for a 'universal preferred behavior'. Stephan Molyneux's ideology is a subversion of the scientific thought.
E.g.
In the videos you didn't watch, and in the listed sources you didn't read.
Who the fuck are you to make demands? Look at the presented material or don't but in any case I'm not going to hand feed it to you just because you're acting like a scary Internet bully. If you don't care about the video content there's no reason for you to post in this thread.I watched part 2 (sociopaths) today as I drove to work in my T/A. It was a FANTASTIC video. As usual, Stef hits it out of the ballpark.
Do you remember the part where he talks about how sociopaths respond to being unmasked?So, what happened when I questioned him? Justusranvier...
...ignored the question and proceed to "force" me to watch the video (cult mindset, check, never answer complicated questions, redirect the enquirer to the cult leader).
..., after the second question, played the victim and suggested to me to not participate in the thread (cult mindset, check, if the enquirer insists, play the victim and ask him/her to leave)
...suggested the people questioning the video title would be exactly the kind of people the video was warning about (cult mindset, check, tell the enquirer the cult leader already predicted that people would come and ask complicated questions)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mental-illness-is-most-likely-a-fiction-131489
Child abusers can break a bone, but we would not call the child's broken bone an 'illness.'
Child abuse tends to break minds. The result is not mental illness, any more than a stab wound is a physical illness.
https://www.facebook.com/stefan.molyneux/posts/10151546940781679
Child abuse tends to break minds. The result is not mental illness, any more than a stab wound is a physical illness.
https://www.facebook.com/stefan.molyneux/posts/10151546940781679
Stephan Molyneux followers have been qualifying users which disagree with them as sociopaths. In the face of that, the above quote by Rudd-O is hilarious! Stephan Molyneux is a sophist, spreading misinformation in such way that his follower now think they are qualified professionals able to diagnose users in Internet forums or to assert that mental illness does not exist.
I do not dislike them, I have had plenty of fun reading these (almost brain dead) idiots spreading the holy word of Stephan Molyneux!
these communities appear to be iterating toward libertarianism.
I think we can only ignore the obvious for long before the strain of cognitive dissonance becomes too much. I don't think government has more than a generation or perhaps two left before people no longer believe in it. 
Haven't watched this yet, but am pretty familiar with Stephan's work. He's a smart, motivated, well-spoken fellow spreading ideas with extremely powerful philosophical support, as many ethicists will tell you. I can see how he'd rub some folks the wrong way, initially. In addition to communicating in the sometimes obtuse mode of a trained philosopher, he doesn't mince words regarding the conclusions of his ethics.
The inability to distinguish this from a cult is amusing. The childish (and I hate using that term as a pejorative) reactionism to these ideas by apologists for a society structured by violence is disappointing.
Recently, it seems a sort of alliance has begun to form, spanning techies, libertarian philosophers, Austrian economists, hackers, cryptographers, anarchists, activists, etc. As one excellent Blogdial post notes, these communities appear to be iterating toward libertarianism. Naturally, some members of individual communities will shun the new company of these other groups, but hopefully most will realize how much they have to learn from each other.
Note: Blogdial is a terribly awesome blog that is at least as intense and polemical and philosophically forthright as a Stephan Molyneux or a Richard Stallman. I recommend it. Stay thirsty, my friends! Merry Xmas!
The inability to distinguish this from a cult is amusing. The childish (and I hate using that term as a pejorative) reactionism to these ideas by apologists for a society structured by violence is disappointing.
Recently, it seems a sort of alliance has begun to form, spanning techies, libertarian philosophers, Austrian economists, hackers, cryptographers, anarchists, activists, etc. As one excellent Blogdial post notes, these communities appear to be iterating toward libertarianism. Naturally, some members of individual communities will shun the new company of these other groups, but hopefully most will realize how much they have to learn from each other.
Note: Blogdial is a terribly awesome blog that is at least as intense and polemical and philosophically forthright as a Stephan Molyneux or a Richard Stallman. I recommend it. Stay thirsty, my friends! Merry Xmas!
@augustocroppo & @firstascent
I listen to him now and then and i like his philosophical idea's, the free market utopia side of his idea's i like less but you can learn something from everything. even if you dont fully agree.
What exactly is your problem with the work of stephan molyneux?, which things he says do you not like'?
I listen to him now and then and i like his philosophical idea's, the free market utopia side of his idea's i like less but you can learn something from everything. even if you dont fully agree.
What exactly is your problem with the work of stephan molyneux?, which things he says do you not like'?
This is another typical behavior of cult followers. They like to accuse the critics as being 'sociopathic and/or evil', without present any meaningful evidence to substantiate the accusation.
All you did in this thread was assert the dude was a cult leader, and then fail to present any meaningful evidence to substantiate the accusation.
Did you miss post #7? There is some evidence.
That is exactly how the cult system works. The leader creates a "temple", a place where the followers must gather often to keep up to date with the cult leader mindset. In this case, you are arrogantly inviting the critics of the cult to visit the "temple" where the the cult leader have total control of the debate. This invitation is done as challenge, 'if any of you have an argument of any substance', disguised with a false sense of security, 'you will be treated respectfully and given a chance to explain'.
That sounds exactly like Rush Limbaugh. And Alex Jones.
Those kinds of attacks aren't surprising coming from people who are openly sociopathic and/or evil but it's surprising that he gets a lot of flack from the "old guard" Libertarians too.
This is another typical behavior of cult followers. They like to accuse the critics as being 'sociopathic and/or evil', without present any meaningful evidence to substantiate the accusation.
I can't help but notice that while a lot of them have been pontificating from the safety of their think tanks Molyneux has actually been out in the trenches advancing the application of the NAP in real terms. I don't know of anyone else who can claim to have advanced libertarianism by convincing tens of thousands of parents to stop violating the non-aggression principle with regards to their children.
Maybe they're upset that Molyneux is actually getting results in the real world?
Maybe they're upset that Molyneux is actually getting results in the real world?
...and then, the cult leader is praised as the best! The cult leader is always put in a moral high ground by the cult followers.
I really enjoy Stefan Molleneux's podcasts. He does a live show every Sunday and invites and encourages criticism of his ideas. If any of you have an argument of any substance that is critical of his opinions, please call into his show and debate him. You will be treated respectfully and given a chance to explain your position.
That is exactly how the cult system works. The leader creates a "temple", a place where the followers must gather often to keep up to date with the cult leader mindset. In this case, you are arrogantly inviting the critics of the cult to visit the "temple" where the the cult leader have total control of the debate. This invitation is done as challenge, 'if any of you have an argument of any substance', disguised with a false sense of security, 'you will be treated respectfully and given a chance to explain'.
If you post on here comments like Stefan is a "cult leader" then I will have to assume that you lack the intellectual ability to engage in anything more meaningful than childish name calling.
This obvious ad hominem, coming from who demanded arguments of any substance, it terrible funny!
Details on joining his Sunday show can be found at his website.
...and then, once more, the readers are invited to gather in the "temple"!
If you post on here comments like Stefan is a "cult leader" then I will have to assume that you lack the intellectual ability to engage in anything more meaningful than childish name calling.
Those kinds of attacks aren't surprising coming from people who are openly sociopathic and/or evil but it's surprising that he gets a lot of flack from the "old guard" Libertarians too.I can't help but notice that while a lot of them have been pontificating from the safety of their think tanks Molyneux has actually been out in the trenches advancing the application of the NAP in real terms. I don't know of anyone else who can claim to have advanced libertarianism by convincing tens of thousands of parents to stop violating the non-aggression principle with regards to their children.
Maybe they're upset that Molyneux is actually getting results in the real world?
More propaganda from the anarcho-capitalist cult of Stefan Molyneux...
+1
They sure do love to shovel their shit back and forth, don't they? It just never ends.
Myrkul answering in behalf of his cult leader:
While its great that he wants to change the way we raise children by ensuring they get what they need, WHAT IS IT THAT THEY NEED? Stefan Molyneux never answered that.
If you can't answer that, telling you the answer may not help. I'll try anyway.
He says they are more "people" than you or I (this is exactly the same thing you said, by the way... that we've already been crushed, they have yet to be). This implies the answer, right there. Maybe you haven't guessed it yet, though.
They need to be treated like people. With respect, love, and kindness, the same as you would desire to be treated.
Rudd-O invoking his cult leader name in a list of writers:
Nobody else has any other problem with intangible rights being property.
There is an epistemological clusterfuck with the fragment "intangible rights being property". It's unparsable for many reasons, so I'll attempt my best to try and parse this broken English.
If you meant that "intangibles can be property", then "Nobody else has any other problem" is false. I know of at least four different people who "have a problem with" (that is to say, they have come up with refutations of) the belief that intangibles can be property:
1. Hans Hermann Hoppe
2. Stephan Kinsella
3. Wendy McElroy
4. Stefan Molyneux
Your move.
Runeks indicating his cult leader links with anarcho-capitalism:
I've read and heard a bit about the Zeitgeist Movement, and it always amounts to some ideals about what we "could" obtain if we just did this and that. They're really good at stating the "what", without answering the "how".
How do we apply all these ideals?
LightRider, you keep saying that humans being are deficient, that all we care about is profit. Does this include yourself, and if so, what are you doing to change that?
EDIT: Also, can some - point by point - explain the exact differences between Anarcho Capitalism and a Resource Based Economy, please?
EDIT2: For anyone interested in seeing Stefan Molyneux debate a ZM advocate, check out this video, starting at 42:08 (the link will take you to that time stamp in the video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hxjwBZjADiM#t=2528s
Everything before that is fairly irrelevant to the discussion IMO.
How do we apply all these ideals?
LightRider, you keep saying that humans being are deficient, that all we care about is profit. Does this include yourself, and if so, what are you doing to change that?
EDIT: Also, can some - point by point - explain the exact differences between Anarcho Capitalism and a Resource Based Economy, please?
EDIT2: For anyone interested in seeing Stefan Molyneux debate a ZM advocate, check out this video, starting at 42:08 (the link will take you to that time stamp in the video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hxjwBZjADiM#t=2528s
Everything before that is fairly irrelevant to the discussion IMO.
Madhatter asking for donations to his cult leader:
Hello all,
I am starting a fundraiser for Stefan Molyneux / Freedomain Radio.
If you enjoy his commentary/videos/philosophy you can donate by sending your coins here:
19vhXH8her5oBsZGdnRy4AU7cJoJRMuk8u
(This is a mybitcoin account that I will hand over to him in 30 days).
Cheers!
The Madhatter
I am starting a fundraiser for Stefan Molyneux / Freedomain Radio.
If you enjoy his commentary/videos/philosophy you can donate by sending your coins here:
19vhXH8her5oBsZGdnRy4AU7cJoJRMuk8u
(This is a mybitcoin account that I will hand over to him in 30 days).
Cheers!
The Madhatter
Snipes777 (Rudd-O's sockpuppet) praising his initiation in the cult:
Getting into philosophy and anarchism. Introduced by Stefan Molyneux ar freedomainradio.com, but then Adam Kokesh from Adam vs the Man and his new podcast has led to me getting into it much more intensely.
Myrkul recommending the holly words of his cult leader:
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My second recommendation is Healing Our World - The Other Piece Of The Puzzle, by Mary J. Ruwart. My third suggestion is The New Libertarian Manifesto, By Samuel E. Konkin, III. As my fourth, and probably final, presentation, I offer up Universally Preferable Behaviour by Stefan Molyneux.
These books present a fairly broad cross-section of how libertarian beliefs have evolved over the years, and a firm basis on understanding my position.
I will update this post again when I have niemivh's second suggestion.
Update: The discussion over my first book suggestion has gone in an interesting direction. Those of you wishing to do more reading on that subject might want to read The Case for Discrimination and Defending the Undefendable, both by Walter Block. These aren't my next suggestion for the "book club", but some additional reading for those interested in the topic.
My second recommendation is Healing Our World - The Other Piece Of The Puzzle, by Mary J. Ruwart. My third suggestion is The New Libertarian Manifesto, By Samuel E. Konkin, III. As my fourth, and probably final, presentation, I offer up Universally Preferable Behaviour by Stefan Molyneux.
These books present a fairly broad cross-section of how libertarian beliefs have evolved over the years, and a firm basis on understanding my position.
I will update this post again when I have niemivh's second suggestion.
Update: The discussion over my first book suggestion has gone in an interesting direction. Those of you wishing to do more reading on that subject might want to read The Case for Discrimination and Defending the Undefendable, both by Walter Block. These aren't my next suggestion for the "book club", but some additional reading for those interested in the topic.
...and so far, Stefan Molyneux is cited up to 2010 in this forum by different users.
Yeah or check out his free books, theyre worth the read!
I really enjoy Stefan Molleneux's podcasts. He does a live show every Sunday and invites and encourages criticism of his ideas. If any of you have an argument of any substance that is critical of his opinions, please call into his show and debate him. You will be treated respectfully and given a chance to explain your position.
If you post on here comments like Stefan is a "cult leader" then I will have to assume that you lack the intellectual ability to engage in anything more meaningful than childish name calling.
Details on joining his Sunday show can be found at his website.
If you post on here comments like Stefan is a "cult leader" then I will have to assume that you lack the intellectual ability to engage in anything more meaningful than childish name calling.
Details on joining his Sunday show can be found at his website.
More propaganda from the anarcho-capitalist cult of Stefan Molyneux...
+1
They sure do love to shovel their shit back and forth, don't they? It just never ends.
More propaganda from the anarcho-capitalist cult of Stefan Molyneux...
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