Topic: Re: Butterfly Labs CEO 25 Million USD Mail Fraud — A Concise Summary of Evidence - page 3. (Read 146792 times)

WOW 

Had a flashback read of this thread 

PG was in his prime back in the day...............so sad 

Are people trying bump this thread?

Where?

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

My $.02.

Well it does contain some useful information

Why does someone always feel the need to resurrect this ridiculous thread? Let it necro already.

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Add breaking their own privacy policy, then lying about it, trying to intimidate outspoken former-customers and critics by releasing their private information without permission, to their growing list of transgressions.

Despicable.

Hi,
I ordered a Single 50Ghs in April, paid with paypal
Still not shipped, I can try to ask for refund with Paypal? Or is it too late? I'm from UE
any chance of success now?
Thanks

Time to edit this meme. October and still at least 6 months behind... ouch.

It's time to e-mail them and let them know their "check bounced." You may not get a reply right away, but from what I've seen, they do have the money. Maybe they got tired of their account diminishing at random times.

Also, I'm pretty sure everyone who ordered in June 2012 has received their orders a very long time ago.

Thanks for the acknowledgement.



Don't say that.

Say instead: Don't order from (read: give money to) BFL, under any circumstance, not now, not ever.

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Latest development:

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Butterfly Labs Inc. have claimed that Sonny Vleisides role is that of "VP of Product Development".

I believe that claim to be false or at best misleading. Likely false in everything but name.

I believe Sonny Vleisides is still the acting day-to-day general manager, the head of operations, the decision man, the chief executive.

By any measure other than by title.

See, this trick of appointing "the cleaning lady", or, as the case may be, some person in another country,
to positions of responsibility perhaps in exchange for some disproportionate compensation,
for signing a couple of documents every once in a while, happens to be another red flag.
It's the kind of thing scammers tend to do, and honest people tend to don't.

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This email, from Paypal, if accurate, seems to show that that claim is, indeed, false.

I.e. it shows that the claim that Sonny Vleisides is acting VP of Product Development, is materially false.

Which, you know, one could suspect, what with him having no relevant background in electrical engineering or computer science.

As opposed to "a colorful background in offshore libertarianism", to borrow the words of his accomplice Josh Zerlan aka. Inaba aka. BFL_Josh.

Which turns out to mean, in plain english, you tell people lies to get them to send you money, you defraud people with false promises of great wealth and riches.

I congratulate the perpetrators, and extend my condolences to the victims of this... artful operation.

Sonny Vleisides has pulled it off again.

I hope this thread saved someone.

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PS:

To the people who paid about a million dollars (at todays valuation) for an ASIC minirig on the night of June 23 2012:

Please try to find out what happened to your money. What fraction was converted into cash. How much of it was retained in BTC.

Do it before they "run out of cash reserves" and shut down / file for bankruptcy / run for the hills, with your money.

Where is it today? How much can be recovered?

You've been swindled, you've been abused, you've been lied to repeatedly.

That just ain't right.

It's time to wake up, get angry and go to court.

I should have listened to this post before placing an order.  It's been almost 7 months since I ordered and paid for my miner and still nothing.  Even their own customer service's blog (BFL_Jody) is false.  They claim they have shipped ordered that they have not.

Now they have the audacity to ask for more money to upgrade to their newest miner.  I'm so done with this company and based on the response on their own forums, so are hundreds of other customers.  There is no SINGLE POSITIVE post that I came across in the customer service section.

If you're thinking of ordering from these people, trying calling them to see if you can get an actual person on the phone.  Then read a page or so from their forums.  Then if you still think they will deliver on time or provide any customer service, go ahead and order.

I think these are people who switched the old order in the queue to a 600 GH miner. This was an option from BFL for People in the order queue.

The biggest cause of BFL delay was the ASIC chip manufacturing from China. The second biggest was assembly time required to put together boxes, circuit boards, fans, and power supplies. At this point, according to BFL sources (and the fact they were selling them directly), they can get all the ASIC chips they want, and have the production system running full speed. At the same time, putting those cards together just involves slapping a heatsink onto a circuit board. Way quicker and easier. So, maybe it won't be a problem or an issue anymore. Technically they aren't making a new product, just a new circuit board for something they already have (as opposed to when they started making FPGAs or ASICs from scratch).

BFL won't fail.
Why won't it fail? Because the Bitcoin-verse is filled with people who have hope of making it rich overnight. BFL finally has delivered most of the Singles and Jalapenos and caught up with their backorder queue, people are still willing to accept being insulted by customer service as long as they get their miners.

Despite their history, BFL has sold out on the first round of preorders for their 600 GH mining cards.
I do wonder who those people are and why, given BFL's history, they are willing to take that risk.

On the other hand, maybe the boys and girls at BFL have really learned their lessons about production and process and integrity.

You know, I wouldn't even be that mad that BFL is a scam company if at least they were polite, but every exchange I've had with them has had the tone of "fuck you for bothering me, Customer, you don't deserve my time or assistance.  You shouldn't be asking questions, go check the blogs."

That's a really shitty way to run a company.  If the CEO is a crook, well, I imagine that if the world was fair many CEOs in the world would be convicted felons, but the guys who are interacting with customers have to treat them with respect.  BFL deserves to burn up and die as an entity, and it most likely will.

I'm guessing they just plain didn't file the paperwork.

Don't worry. They'll pay in two to three weeks.

I'd throw in on this.