Topic: Re: LoyceV vs theymos (and get your own Merit graph: up to 20 users per graph) - page 8. (Read 15077 times)

Since tinypic.com has ceased operations, I've created a new graph for the OP. And it was time to change the title.
I made another small improvement:

I feel left out

Sorry for the delay, this required a bit more time: I've increased the maximum to 20. Just prepare for a messy graph. Adjusting the table was much more work than expected, it's kinda big for the spreadsheet.
Here you go:


See above

I made a topic for that too: Percentage of Merit received on old posts, deleted posts, and average per post
From what I've seen, anything less than 0.02 Merit per post is a very bad sign.
You could argue I'm bruteforcing my Merit too: there are users who earn much more per post, and if I would post 10 times less, I would earn much less Merit too. Therefore, I think bruteforcing Merit is only a problem when users are posting hundreds of low-quality posts just hoping to earn a single Merit. But then the problem isn't the bruteforcing, the problem is they're borderline spammers.

I think you forgot the blue word, am I right?
I've noticed this too, but since Merit was introduced to stop spammers from ranking up many accounts, and the users in WO or Collectibles aren't the problem there and don't spam other sections either, I don't think it's bad at all.

After giving it a second thought, and after having checked my topic which I started 8 months ago, I found out that I did earn pretty much the same merit every 4 months or so, but I have also been a little bit more active in the last 8 months, my posts quality never changed, but where I mainly post changed after the first 4 months.


While I still earned almost the same merit being in boards where earning merit is more difficult, it's mainly due to being more active than before, while there is no guarantee that I would have earned more merit being active in boards where I could likely get more merit, I think more studies as you proposed would really give us a more accurate view.

@ LoyceV I'd like to compare those that are in the Chipmixer campaign with over 1500 merits total:

First graph:
84521
2033515
2143453
579628
487418
465017
85033
787736
1582324
359716

2nd graph:
1188543
140827
234771

(Its a shame there's more than 10 users so they don't fit on one graph)



I would say that where you post, and at what times matters, but I wouldn't say its the biggest cause. To be able to find a cause we would likely have to do a case study of over a thousand users. and ideally more  to have any sort of accuracy. A interesting statistic to cough up would be to determine how many merits per post since the introduction of the merit system users get. This would be able to help determine whether its a matter of activity versus where you post.

For example, I've pretty much always posted in the same sections since the merit introduction, but I haven't always been actively posting. Active on the forum yeah, but not posting. You can probably check this via the chipmixer campaign spreadsheet where I would have 0 posts some weeks. This is a mixture of reasons, but getting used to moderating, and trying to improve the way I moderate definitely had an impact. Some of you may have noticed that my public activity has been much greater recently, and as a result I've seen quite a growth in my merits. I'm sure LoyceV or someone else would be able to pull up a graph showing how I've stagnated for a little while, and having exponential growth when coming active again.

I think its become quite obvious that a lot of users are bruteforcing the merit gain, and although honestly I think their posts are decent enough to gain merit a statistic showing how many merits per post made would likely be a better indication of someone's overall quality. Of course, this can be inaccurate as well as there's no standards for awarding merit.

These are my observations (which may be inaccurate, and just personal opinion); Certain parts of the forum yield a much greater chance of merit not because of activity or the topic subject, but because there's almost a little mini community within Bitcointalk in certain sections. The collectible section, and the wall observer thread in my opinion are these little mini communities where it seems there's a lot of "back scratching". Although, I'd like to make it clear I'm not implying that the back scratching is unjust or wrong I've just made the observation that it's definitely easier to earn merit in these mini communities when considering the post quality. These are users that are not shitposting either, and in fact many of the users there are very good posters.

Praise yourself dude, most members struggle to earn 100 merit, earning more than a thousand of them in such a short period of time is one hell of an achievement if you ask me, nobody can deny the efforts put into such a journey, i know exactly how it feels when you take this forum very seriously and spend time and effort to provide quality content, so in my honest opinion you do deserve to be studied at length.

I have to admit I am impressed myself.
But rest assured I put A LOT of effort in what I did in my past months in the forum.
No need to bring up my infamous merit thread here (I am not even bothering to link it here, as you probably know what I am referring about), but rest assured I actively tried to raise the quality of my threads lately (the futures one, or the stock to flow on- again, no link here). Why? Again, bitcoin is difficult and I want to learn a lot and there is no better way to learn something than trying to explain it.
 
Of course being around a lot in the forum and hanging a on the WO thread helped a little bit, but I think that numbers ("There are lies, damned lies and statistics" as ddmrddmr likes to remember us) can demonstrate, I got the vast majority of merits outside WO posts or generally low efforts (read: memes/one liners/jokes posts). Not I am disowning those posts: I am an human and I like also to laugh a little bit after the hard work.
So yes: ultimately I can say this flippening is due to hard work, but I don't think I deserve to be a case study.

 

All reasons mentioned by you are Loycev make a lot of sense, but based on my personal experience it's mostly "where" you post that makes the big difference, if i take myself as an example, and for the past a few months, I started being most active in my local board, we only have 2 merit sources and their merit allocation is relatively low, I know I could earn more merit in B&H and Meta or even the WO thread since I do a lot of technical analysis,but honestly I don't like forcing myself to post in places where I don't feel like it, when I started being active in my local board it was almost a dead town there, I have been working for months on it, along side with a few members and we now have a much larger community and much better content, and honestly being in top 15 or even top 50 most merited members while being relatively new here ( i am barley known ) puts me in a comfort zone as far as merit is concerned, which is great , I get to focus on improving my local board , but don't get so comfortable miaw because when i feel the heat , guess I already know how to get those merit  .

Very interesting!

Looks like a very high number of recently most merited users gained most of their Merit in 2019 like fillippone, nutildah or mikeywith and even myself. I remember mikeywith was saying the first few months he was reading most of the time, same goes for fillippone AFAIK. And that applies even for myself, 80% of my Merit was earned in 2019.

Maybe that's stuff for a new study. 

And it took around 5 weeks for fillippone to pass all of us, called flippening (word is derived from fillippone?)

Here you go:

I don't have the time to look into the details, but it always makes me curious why one user increased so much, and the other didn't. Maybe someone improved their posts a lot, maybe someone just became much more active. Or maybe "being well known" really makes it easier to earn Merit.

Hi (and friendly bump after some time)

Requesting:

1112531
897509
1878246
317618
2033515
2143453
1852120

Here you go:


I'll was curious to see a graph for the 10 Top-merited users, all-time:

o_e_l_e_o's graph looks like exponential growth!

I have a script and spreadsheet template ready. Uploading the screenshot is more work

This is what I am calling a really fast answer. How did you manage to do it so fast? Anyways, thank you very much this is a really interesting graph.

Of course

Here you go:

This includes all Merit transactions up to yesterday morning's Merit data dump.

Hi, Loycev I don't know if you still accept requests for comparisons? If yes please show me the graph for TytanowyJanusz and Cryptovigi.

In numbers, this is 1925869 vs 1697068.

Oh, that's sad. I've saved already the ones you've made for me using Imgur: 

https://i.imgur.com/V1Y6TsP.gif
https://i.imgur.com/gmbFJuu.gif
https://i.imgur.com/VLnYJFy.gif
https://i.imgur.com/pspoewN.gif

But right now, the old ones uploaded on TinyPic are still working and visible in your posts (at least for me). 

TinyPic.com is shutting down this year, and the embedded pictures stopped working already. From now on, I'll host new requests on loyce.club. If you still want to see older pictures, you can get them by opening the image link directly (use the quote button to find the link).
I don't really want to edit all posts to fix old images, so when TinyPic closes, they're gone.

No need to be sad. Maybe you'll get your position back. Or that will happen:


And the flippening is better to happen here than in "reality". Isn't it? 

Some salt in the wound:

The saddest day of my life

No problem, maybe I'll request another one (when qwk strikes back)  

Well, I'm not a member of any Merit Cycling Club yet, so I should be ok.