Topic: Re: My ignore list and my feedbacks and is Poker Player acceptable? (Read 1327 times)

I think so too. While we empathize with Yahoo, we shouldn't drag his health into discussions that don't need it.

🙆‍♀️ Isn't it too early for "Vawulence" advocacy, ehn engineer? Come to think of it, this forum has been relatively peaceful for longer time than when I newly joined. There were a lot of dramatist personas in the imbroglio I can't remember now. However, I do remember that many of them then were veteran members bickering at one another and literally drawing blood. We've relative peace now than before despite the little skirmishes here and there now. Let peace continue to reign.

What is happening in this forum? Why do you guys take everything personally? You guys are not competitors. So why do you guys keep continuing such shit? @Poker Player, Don't you think you are doing too much? You do not trust this guy, and you left the feedback. You should be done here. No? Why do you have to bump up those threads every few days and re-write your feedback? Don't get me wrong, but this doesn't make sense.

I have read through the link and noticed that the genesis of all this, is as results of disagreement, the proof tender or render by you and also by Royse is not what we have to continue to look for the fact or neither blame anyone, when we proceed to verify the fact of both of you it will end up pouring fuel on little flame of fire. So I'm appealing for both of you to subside your anger. And also avoid each other for a period of time.

That's not the point now. This is not just a drama between two people that don't like each other. The point now is if Royse777 fabricated the evidence to base the accusation that opens this thread, as I was told by PM by a Legendary member of the forum and as I after reviewing the screenshots also believe it was a gross manipulation of the screenshots.

I received this private message (Royse777's screenshot manipulation).

Let us try to cut off all this dramas here, because if this should be continue many people will also emulate these and starts, having haters as well. So all this disagreement have gotten to the point where everyone will let go. Poker has said that he never contacted Rose client, so let us forget about it and make peace between the bridges. This place is internet and it's very hard before we can know each other here, and knowing each other here the possibility is high. So let us have it in mind.

From my point of view, I see it so small that I consider it less than 1%, and as I know, obviously, that I have not contacted any of his clients, it is clear to me that he has manipulated the evidence, what I did not think is that he would be so stupid as to publish the screenshot with evidence of manipulation and that is why I did not even review it, apart from the fact that I know nothing about screenshot analysis.

Obviously you don't have to agree with me but I have clear answers.


I do believe it, as explained above.


It's not that I believe it, it's just that I know I haven't communicated with any of his clients.


Tiny possibility in my opinion, as said above.

I would just like to echo this. It's important to keep in mind that online communication can be easily manipulated and fabricated. It's also understandable that you have doubts about the credibility of the screenshot evidence, whether it was fabricated or not, and about the existence of the supposed client. The moment I read the alleged communication, I had my doubts about its credibility. But, even if the screenshots were genuine, there is no way to confirm the identity of the person on the other end. It could even have been that disgraced user naim027, who is still hanging around on the forum and has a history of some weird stuff like that.

Lately I've been making an effort to stay out of these types of reputation squabbles, it doesn't really serve the forum and often just turns into cliques of otherwise reputable forum members getting mud on their shoes.

But I do want to relay a story;  A couple of years ago I was offering a free escrow service, and largely due to my inexperience and naivety most of my clients turned out to be sellers of AWS mail accounts and the like, and their buyers.  As one might expect, things didn't go quite as smoothly as I hoped, and I realized I was dealing with some of the scummiest of scumbags on the forum.

But one particularly interesting thing happened during that time.  Someone took it upon themselves to make it really miserable for me to offer the service I was offering.  In the end I came to agree with intention of this unknown individual, but to this day I fume when I recall the method.  Again, I don't know who this person is, but someone started harassing me on Telegram with requests to provide escrow for some deals.  They would use these fake deals to waste my time, and the time of any seller they could get on the hook.  For a while there I was getting 4 or 5 of these time-wasting spams per week, from multiple Telegram accounts.

The point of the story is we don't know what these screenshots really reveal.  If they reveal anything!  After giving them some real consideration I have more questions than answers.  But I do have answers to these questions:  Do I believe Royse fabricated the screenshots?  Do I believe the claim that Poker Player communicated with the potential client?  Do I believe believe the "client" was real and not just a time-wasting bully?  The answer to all these questions is no, there's nothing to convince me otherwise.

As LoyceV mentioned, nothing can be proven by these screenshots.  They may look like they paint an ugly picture of one user undermining another, but there isn't nearly enough known to be sure.  And maybe, just maybe there's a small possibility that a third party is stirring the pot in the hopes to keep the drama alive.  I wouldn't put it past some of the drama queens on this forum.

When someone quotes his BS wondering what it's coming for, I see the quote. And when it's someone who's opinion I value, or when it's just totally misleading, I can't always stay out of the drama.

I see a contradiction here. If you have him on ignore, how come you respond to him with facts?   Well, that's just what I was talking about.

That sounds familiar, a certain Donator does the same to me, for years now. Once every few months, he posts some shit about me (preferrably when it's completely off-topic). Most people see right through it anyway, but once in a while, I respond with facts. That quiets him down for months again. Either way, I love having him on ignore. See my personal text

Regarding the self-moderated thread, I see that being the reviews in another there is nothing questionable, as Edwardard and LoyceV have commented.


No, LoyceV, I will not make that mistake again. I'm not going to put him on ignore again because since he's also a liar if he tells lies about me I won't be able to defend myself. In fact


things like this have been said in these threads after I defended myself. When he said that I was sending messages to his clients, as if I didn't have better things to do, everyone who commented took it for granted that it was true. I guess I won't need to start quoting here.

So I have realized that this is a mistake I will not make again. It's one thing to put someone on ignore because he's constantly trolling or something, but someone you've had reputation discussions with? Not a chance. I'm going to keep a close eye on him.

Then don't post there:
You can see no posts have been deleted. Self-moderation is great against spam.

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My stance on the alledged messages: I saw a screenshot that looks like it came from Telegram. It may have actually happened, outside Bitcointalk. We can't know who sent it. So it proves nothing.

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My advice: Move on!
@Royse777: ignore the other guy. Close your topic on him.
@Poker Player: ignore the other guy. Close your topic on him.
We get it, you don't like each other. That's okay. You're not supposed to like everyone on the internet.

^^This is excellent advice, Royse777, and I thought you did have a thicker skin than you're displaying so it's puzzling to me why he's getting under your skin so much and why you continue to engage and escalate things by slinging insults back at him.  Of course that's probably what I'd do myself, but I'd also get bored with it pretty quickly and then just let it go.  I think that's what you ought to do--and I'm intentionally not addressing any of Poker Player's or your points, just the drama between the two of you.

Yeah, like cryptohunter and his alt account brigade.  That was an example where threads were created about him in which he wasn't welcome to post.  It doesn't sound fair, but he had a habit of derailing every single thread he posted in.  Since it's not against the rules to do that, you've obviously taken the path many would and have created your own thread to rebut the accusations against you and whatever else.  Again, I think you ought to just keep a stiff upper lip but I wouldn't like to be attacked and then banned from defending myself either.

This sounds like stale-coffee issues, anyway.  It doesn't look like you've sullied your reputation since the Crypto Critique thing, so...

Although the campaign (application) thread made by Royse was self-moderated, users were never asked to post a review in that thread. Instead the reviews were posted in the mixero ann thread which is not self-moderated and there were some critical reviews too.

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Also, I dont think Royse has ever deleted a useful post in his thread, whether it is against him or not?!. If he did, ppl could easily make a new thread asking for a reason. But I guess nobody has made such topics against him yet, ?!

It is simply that I received a PM alerting me that mixero could be a scam. I don't have much technical knowledge, therefore I can't give my opinion, what has caught my attention is that he makes the thread self-moderated.


And how would I know the content of the deleted posts? I might know the number of posts, but not the content of the posts.

Making it self-moderated gives rise to arbitrariness, another thing is that no one has written a really critical review and therefore has not been deleted, but the fact that it is self-moderated is a deterrent. I don't think people who have a bad review on mixero would post it there because they know it will be deleted, and the one who sent me the PM is one who could have posted it and didn't do it.

I'm not sure what's the problem here, you seems to exaggerated anything about him.

It's true someone can abuse in self moderated thread since he have a power to delete someone post, but can you show me which post he delete in his self moderated post? he doesn't delete anyone post since there's no details below the subject title.

It will be different if show he delete high quality post about criticism, you can drag that case here.

Talking about acceptable or unacceptable behavior.

Is this acceptable behavior?

[Full] Mixero bitcoin mixer| Review campaign| Application| 0.00175 btc reward

I mean, a self-moderated review campaign doesn't seem very acceptable to me. I understand that Royse777 self-moderates his campaign threads and other threads, but an honest campaign review should not be self-moderated, although as Royse777 is not honest I should not be so surprised.

The next one I have seen is not self-moderated:

[OPEN]🔥COINSLOTTY🔥 Review Campaign – Rewards From $60 to $70🔥

I understand your perspective. I do not believe the screenshot from Royse proves anything. As anyone can contact him on Telegram and make any claim. Can we consider this as valid evidence? I do not think so.


I do not believe a screen recording would be conclusive evidence either.


I am afraid moderators are unlikely to be able to help you with this. It may only be possible for admins, but I doubt they would want to become involved in the situation.

No, no, I am not going to PM any moderator. Whoever wants to believe me, and whoever doesn't, don't believe me. Time will put everyone in their place.

What is clear is that, answering the thread question, yes, my behavior is more than acceptable because I have not gotten myself into the messes that the lying, cowardly OP has gotten himself into.

Have you reported any PM for them to check?
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Maybe try sending PM to theymos or Cyrus, but I doubt anyone will be interested in your case. High chances they wont even reply

Sorry yahoo62278. and what does fuckinglier777's screenshot prove?

It is his capture that proves nothing. If you want to accuse me of sending PMs show proof, not a Telegram screenshot that you could have easily sent to yourself.

fuckinglier777, I am waiting for you screen recording.

Can any moderator confirm that I have not deleted any PMs please?

In the responses I've seen in this thread, Yahoo62278 has said the most acceptable or becoming on the elephant in the room.
Haven't seen the screenshot posted by Royse777, I would say it is too extreme for anyone to go the length in trying to instill in the minds of clients what isn't completely provable on the forum. I've said it before whole referring to the Julerz12 case, we run a perfect forum here and everyone is expected to be perfectionist but, we are all humans none the less and as humans, we make mistakes. What we hedge on in the forum is our words for and words against.

I can still recall even Royse777 stated to have been scammed of about $6k in the bitlucy.com scam. Given the fact that, most users on the forum are always willing to jump at any opportunity one can find after some possible evaluation, it doesn't erase the fact that, you could as well be victimised. I didn't see the site representative trying to prove themselves on the forum since then like Royse777 did and still, his still here, getting contracts and managing them good too.
Having to pm clients on a trust score and discuss it isn't okay. I do hope we preach the goods of users as much as we preach there flaws.

On the screenshot of PMs, i could see at least 3-4 PMs in sequence for October, November and January. Unfortunately, none reflected December which seemed to be the month displayed on Royse777's allegation's screenshot.

Could it be as Yahoo62278 has stated or there is more to it...! At times I wonder why so much drama when we could just be at peace with ourselves, have your perception and just move on.

Not trying to stir the pot here, but this proves nothing really. You could have deleted pm s to companies and Royse didn't show who his telegram message was from and prove it was from an actual company advertising here. I see why you would want to dispute it as a few have mentioned it's not right that you might pm a company. It's basically your word against theirs currently and really none of us care I don't think.

I have had to remove Royse777 from ignore because in the other thread I have seen fat lies being told about me.

You lie, liar, I have not sent any PM to anyone to tell them not to do business with you, liar. And that screenshot is fucking bullshit.

You want me to post a screenshot of my PMs you whiny fucking lying dishonest crybaby?


Yes, I want it, you fucking liar.

What a coincidence that your scumbag friend naim027 was also supposedly proving that you did not play a major role in Bitlucy with screenshots.

Liar.

There you have it. Let the whole world see what a fucking liar you are.

allegations made against someone are not significant if they are not based on evidence. Likewise, if there are no accusations against someone, it is not impossible for him to be guilty.


I don't know how to take seriously anything said by one of the worst trolls on the forum. User ArcusIsidar certainly is. I'm surprised it's not on your ignore list. the fact that he attacks someone you don't like is not enough reason to take him seriously. especially if it's a proven troll.

If you are asking me (since you are quoting me I will take it you are), I would ask if you ever had an allegation made against you that your account was either hacked or stolen or sold? If no allegation was made against you then I suppose there is no reason for anybody to suspect you are not the original owner of the joker_josue account. That is my view.

However, if you want a reply from the one who alleged Royse777 is not the original owner of the account you should consider asking the user who created that thread what he thinks but he has not been around here since November 2021 therefore you might not get a reply.

Now I'm curious about these observations... so I can prepare for the future.

How is it that a user who previously only posted in the local tab and then starts posting a lot in the sections in English, is synonymous with the account being sold?

I opened an account on the forum in 2013, until 2020, I posted very little in the English sections. But, in these last 2 years I have a lot of posts in the English sections. Does that mean I sold my account?

Pathetic. Do I need to repeat it again? Let me just quote it


Now I have no doubt for your waking up after long days again.
It's because of this : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61602255

I ask you again, how am I not in your ignore list yet?

I saw no aggression on his part but I saw a determination to not give in to you by changing his negative feedback when you started a thread after you managed to get a couple of new campaigns. You wanted the negative feedback removed and he will not do it at the moment and your ego cannot handle it.


So when exactly did you purchase the Royse777 account?

Royse777 account changed hands in 2017

How many other accounts do you have? I am curious, naim027 and all his alt/farmed accounts are they operated by you too? Just curious because the way they write is synonymous with your (lack of) style of writing, you have that in common with them.

Poker Player created his account in August 2020, there are no allegations he purchased the account. There were allegations about you buying the account in the past. The Royse777 account was created in 2014 but it changed hands at least once (maybe more) and the allegation was you purchased the Royse777 account in 2017 so clarify for us all when did you end up taking up ownership?

Once you state the fact we can work out how much longer you were here than him and after that you can explain how you think his length of time here versus your length of time here means he cannot challenge you and your comments when he feels you behaved improperly.

And out of curiosity how much did you pay to purchase the Royse777 account?

Has Poker Player confirmed he contacted prospective clients to advise them to avoid you as they could end up losing their money?

Regardless of what the screenshot shows or claims to show, did he ever confirm he contacted businesses to avoid hiring you for their campaigns? Until he comments to confirm or deny I will not comment on it but as far as insulting you is concerned that is your opinion. In your opinion you did not insult him but in the opinion of others (including him), maybe you did.

It will sound repetitive, I know and I apologize in advance.

But, as I saw that the subject is related and so as not to think that I am only looking at one side of the situation, I will repeat what I said in another topic, about this type of confusion:

I will drop an advise for you @Royse778, sometimes some we called to be our friends were the enemies hidden and unknown to us while the enemies we taught about seeing may not be but you should under that some people do overreact to situations, you need to be more focused on the task of the race ahead of you, many could have got geolous of you through diverse means but you don't necessarily have to keep a listening hears to their noise because they are just but an ordinary crying symbal, if they think they can double cross you then they have just begin an hectic journey of an unfinished task that will end them nowhere and I think the forum and the campaigns needed more of you than these distraction noise, your worth is evident to the forum and well appreciated, some just wish they have achieved your milestone.

I had the same curiosity until I realized that it was obvious because most of the time I reply in public to a new project and offer my service with the discussion. It's possible that he scan my post activity and takes his opportunity. It's still unrealistic to think.

I actually followed up on the discussion and saga that erupted following the failure of the Bitlucy campaign. To be honest, if the clients still come to you after everything that happened there and ask you to handle more work for them, then your work for them cannot be debated. Even if clients see the tag associated with your profile and still hire you, it's because they saw potential in you and if you can satisfy them to the best of your ability, you don’t have a problem here.

Leave his health out of this.

BTW, we don't have leaders; we only have a supreme head (theymos), and everyone is equal here!! If the forum was peaceful every day, it would be fucking boring; little fights and drama like this make it a better place. Where there are multiple races, peace is not always guaranteed. I'm sure you didn't see the VOD vs OGnasty drama. haha

I have read through and see lots here.  This looks like there have been some misunderstanding going on for a while which is not good for the forum members to see that our legends are at each others nerves. Please Sir I understand that you are trying to make peace amongst your colleagues which is very good of you as a leader but currently now, your health is very much important to us here and we would love it that you do not stress yourself too much so as to enable you concentrate on your full recovery. All these drains energy and makes one thinks alot giving much concern to what should not be when looking at your current state of health.

I plead with you all my leaders to let peace reign.

One love!

The world is not black and white but a 1000 shades of gray.
Most people live and work and spend most of their time in that large middle gray area. However, we all have our sections of black and white.
PP says black Rocye says white where I think most of us reading both threads are saying come on the the grey area there is plenty of room.

As was pointed out above bitcoingirl.club vs. jollygood ,  ognasty vs vod and countless others have gone on and will go on and while some people will pick sides with other people most others will just watch and comment and not pay attention to it.

It sucks that it did take money out of your pocket by costing you a client, but now that you know you can prepare and be warned what he may do.

-Dave

While I don't think PP should have done that, you need to realize that the client didn't drop you because PP told them something, just like you didn't get banned because someone reported you. You got banned because you broke the rules, and the client didn't want to work with you because of how they perceived your role in the BitLucy story. You can deal with that by not breaking the rules and by being upfront about your past issues, which I would have thought was made blatantly obvious by the CC fiasco.

Nah, this is excessive, this is unacceptable behavior; I'm just curious how he obtained information about your potential clients and how he got to them before you. I never thought anyone could harbor such hatred for someone they met on the internet. sounds ridiculous 

BTW welcome back! I hope you've learned your lesson, because people reporting your PM shows you have more enemies than you realize. ( Why would anyone report a simple invitation PM when they could simply delete or ignore it? Nah, sadists exist.)

https://imgur.com/a/XlNrHOV
Let me know if you need a screen recording too. I deliberately removed their name by the way. Since then they never replied me.

You are welcome bud. We will have long discussion over PM after you come back to us soon. Stay strong.

My viewed about ignore list cases between @Royse777 and @Poker Player will not ended soon if each side claiming about they are right and one side are wrong, I know who first started about making ignored list topic and I don't think are necessary. Better this topic My ignore list and my feedbacks not really urgent for publishing to public, make it as your privacy and hidden it about who have ignore list with your account or not and they will not think about your are unhappy with the name in your ignore list.

I think someone has to give in and there are no continuous response especially about the ignore list user, if don't have any one give in seems this cases will continues for many time respond and spent energy, time for not any important thing.

Royse, do yourself a favor and just ignore him, that the best you can do.

Post proof of this, and let each member make up their mind about it.

He is probably angry because of your past mistakes, but you are not helping your whole situation with topics like this.
I would never say for me that I am ''too good'' like you did, it's up to other people to judge how good or bad you have been towards them.
I don't know who reported you for sending PM that resulted with 7 day temp ban, but you should really learn to ignore some people.

Can you show some proof for this claims?
This is certainly not cool and it looks pathetic from anyone doing this, if this is true.

That's something not many can answer. Maybe only PP...
It may be you've done (willingly or not, in that nefarious business or not, I can't tell) something that either offended him badly, either spoiled some business for him or somebody he knows.
Or it may be just a bad impression he got on you, which got worse with that mistake from last year and then also because of his "initial" view on you and the fact you didn't stop engaging into businesses involving money. Plus, if we're brutally honest, your next business idea had its own communication and misinterpretation related issues, which, because of misunderstanding the reasons, was for him another proof he is doing the right thing (I don't think I could've done it much different or better, don't take me wrong, I'm just stating the perceived result).
Then, the fact so many people still consider you trustworthy may be angering him even more. ...Or not; he may be even doing it for some odd sense of fun (who knows?).

However, these are wild guesses. I can't tell what's going on PP mind, only he can. Human mind is... complicated...


As said, grow a thicker skin, you have no other choice for it. From what I know aggressiveness and (cyber) bullying are not against the rules.

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This is unfortunate and can get him easily from distrust to negative tag.
Just you have to properly and publicly prove / document this, else it's just your word against his and that pretty much means nothing for a more or less impartial viewer.

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That's correct. But since Royse777 has paid some consistent amounts of money from his pocket to handle the mishap from last year, I expect he wants to recover that by working for it. And PP negativity has the potential to harm. If it would not be that, Royse777 could just go on, but as it is ... it can be a problem. And most probably PP knows this and may be also doing it on purpose.

Life is too short to waste it on negativity. I think that need to direct energy in a constructive direction, especially when you communicate on the forum. What kind of example are such disputes and dramas setting for newcomers and guests of the forum? Certainly not positive.

I don't know all the details of the internal conflict between @Royse777 and @Poker Player, but why couldn't this be settled between them without resentment and malice? I perfectly understand the desire of one to punish the other for a past mistake, as well as the desire of the other to restore his good name and reputation. But guys, continuing all this is not good for anyone. Try to communicate peacefully and come to an understanding. I call you to this.

There is enough evil in the world as it is. There is no need for this to overwhelm our forum.
Trust me, it's not worth it.

Although you've got negative feedback because they're think you've mismanage your old project e.g. bitlucy and casino critique, but I think you're already in good track since you've manage a lot campaigns and you're not scam any users. I don't see any intention if Royse777 could cause a financial losses due to his act for being honest as possible.

But only Poker Player can change his mind to revise the feedback, I hope there's will be a solution soon.

Unfortunately first impressions stick in someone's mind for a long time. I cannot speak for him, but it's all likely due to how he feels about the old drama a few months ago.

I don't think it's cool if he in messaging your clients or potential clients. He can leave a feedback (which he has done) and let people decide for themselves.

As far as insulting you goes, you'll just have to get thick skin and deal with that. Make all your topics self moderated and ignore him. Really not much that can be done there. Many wars go on like this in the forum.

Currently bitcoingirl.club tries to chastise jollygood and time he can. Then there was ognasty and vod. And tons of other little flame wars. It's a small part of the forum, let it go and continue working hard. You vindicate yourself by the actions you do on this forum.

I think you thought I had an issue with you, but I was just pushing hard for answers. I probably got too heated myself and took it too far, but I have no problem with you or you managing 1000 campaigns.

Royse777 seems pretty genuine. When I posted my story Royse sent me a pm. I will not disclose what was in the pm or anything, but I read it a few times and I appreciate the contents of the message.

Mistakes happen. We can't just aggressively attack everyone for mistakes. We can but the forum will start becoming a ghost town. 

Poker Player thinks I am a crying baby.

In his self moderated thread he realized he will not allow me to post but he is okay to speak anything about me. Since he does not have the courage to have a liberal discussion and trying to frame me with his one sided argument in the thread. I realized I need to re-post the deleted posts from his topic.

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Archive: https://ninjastic.space/post/61578933
Does it make you jealous. Perhaps. 

What a loser. Was it a compliment to icopress or insult to him and the campaign betnomi?
You seemed to be dishonest to the brand you are promoting. Shame.

For the record, do you really think I am crying? Just look at the number of campaigns I am managing, it's because the forum loves me and value my work. I don't think you will ever be able to earn such respect and love in your entire life. Financially, you will always be the $50 to $100 signature spammer.

To conclude, thank you and your boy JollyGood for making me so popular around and helping me receiving all these projects. Don't get surprised when I will have a million dollar in my possession as an escrow.

Such a loser to waste my time.