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newbie
Activity: 44
Merit: 0
So as it stands, I vouch for this service up to now...but any discrepancies and/or losses in the future can not be attributed to my vouch.

Of course all the future losses will be your fault too! Send all your BTC to the scammer, bankrupt the first casino and then vouch. Without doing this you are scammer too.
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newbie
Activity: 44
Merit: 0
Vouch for him. Invested 0.01 and returned 0.0115 -0.0001 transaction fee.

You are advertising a ponzi for 0.0015 BTC, you are as bad as the OP scammer.

Instead of vouching and helping the scammer for 0.0015 BTC sell all your OWN stuff and buy BTC and then send all of YOUR BTC to this scammer!
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 250
Wait... You seriously think you can beat the house edge?

Three possibilities remain:
- you're a lucky martingaler who can't do basic math and are therefor unaware of the fact that you can't reduce the house edge to <0%
- you cracked the RNG
- you're a scammer
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 250
So you do admit you can't beat the house, but you just want to earn people's trust by risking their money on a gambling website we all have access to? (and by paying for any loss with your backup money)
Again, even if you are completely honest and not a scammer you aren't going to earn people's trust... It just doesn't work that way.

Also, please don't insult the people here on this forum.
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 250
This is clearly a scam.

He admits there is some risk involved, but that he has the coins to cover any loss.

So he could borrow my coins, add 50% to them, keep 25% and give me 25%.
Or he could use the coins he already has in reserve to cover any loss, add 50% to them and keep the 50%.

Why would he chose to keep 25% when he could keep 50% with no extra risk?

The only reason I can think of is that he plans to keep 100% eventually - ie. run off with 'investments' once he has built enough trust.

We've seen this scam many times in the past - it's just the old "I'll double any amount" scam all over again.
As I stated to Lightlord earlier, you cannot simply just keep on going and going. The more you do it on one investment the riskier it gets.
Even if I did get more than my 25% cut it would make no difference to you and your investment at all so your theory is stupid.

All current investments will be looked after tonight Australian time.
back2school
this is why you should do your math homework.
>"the more you do it on one investment the riskier it gets"
if you flip a coin and it lands heads 5 times in a row, the probability of it landing heads one more time i still 50%... How would it get less risky if you start gambling with a different investment? How is the money any different?
Also, his "theory" was that you'd run off with the money whenever someone invests a big amount of money. If you think that theory is stupid than you clearly ARE a scammer... How can you not understand our sceptiscism?

Seriously, you need to find another way to earn people's trust...
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
Even if I did get more than my 25% cut it would make no difference to you and your investment at all so your theory is stupid.

Is that the best you can do?

I don't know if you're familiar with how debate usually works, but it's traditional to counter the points people make rather than just say "your theory is stupid".

I'll try to make it simple for you:

If you try to gain 50% on an amount, you will either succeed or fail.

If you fail, it doesn't matter whether you were using your own coins or someone elses - you're out the number of coins you started with.

If you succeed, and you're playing with your own coins, you're up 50%.
If you succeed, and you're playing with someone else's coins, you're up 25%.

So the only difference between using your own coins and someone else's is how much you win when you win.

Why chose to keep 25% when you could keep 50%?
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
This is clearly a scam.

He admits there is some risk involved, but that he has the coins to cover any loss.

So he could borrow my coins, add 50% to them, keep 25% and give me 25%.
Or he could use the coins he already has in reserve to cover any loss, add 50% to them and keep the 50%.

Why would he chose to keep 25% when he could keep 50% with no extra risk?

The only reason I can think of is that he plans to keep 100% eventually - ie. run off with 'investments' once he has built enough trust.

We've seen this scam many times in the past - it's just the old "I'll double any amount" scam all over again.
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 250
It's not a good idea to earn people's trust by gambling with their coins... Especially if you aren't transparent enough about what you're doing.
I do believe you can make profits by martingaling with a big enough bankroll. But it can't work in the very long term. I'm not saying you're a scammer, all i'm saying is that it's not a good idea to earn people's trust THIS way. Even if you are completely honest, and make a profit, and pay back any losses whenever you mess things up.
The process of gaining trust is going to take a VERY long time using this method.
full member
Activity: 210
Merit: 100
this is such an obvios ponzi why are people still discussing this
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1038
He has neither replied to or confirmed my post in any hours.
MrGambler , have you already run away with my BTC ?
b!z
legendary
Activity: 1582
Merit: 1010
It is mathematically impossible for you to beat the house, no matter how many, or how little rolls you make. It doesn't matter if you roll quickly, slowly, or in moderation. You cannot have a +EV in a -EV game like PrimeDice.

You should go back to your big heckxxor forum and sell your "professional gambling service" there with your other 13 year old friends.

I suggest you spend more time learning the fundamental math, before you spread your delusional ideas with other people. A good starting place would be: http://bitcoinreviewer.com/ . There are quite a few articles about topics such as provably fair and responsible gambling that you obviously need to read.

If anybody plans to "invest" BTC into this guy, you would be better off ordering a BFL monarch.

Nevermind , I have sent it to your address , MrGambler.
Send me my return within 48 hours Smiley

PROOF ATTACHED : http://prntscr.com/222pve

Do you know what the 'blockchain' is?
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1038
Nevermind , I have sent it to your address , MrGambler.
Send me my return within 48 hours Smiley

PROOF ATTACHED : https://blockchain.info/tx/129222b0397a77a54a28bc6c889c79cc337b0dc863afc95d8a113d07ae9f2b4a
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1038
Well , why don't we try just investing small amounts in him.
Maybe we can catch him red-handed and force him to quit , before we go bankrupt Tongue

Trusting people without history, and without reputation with anything you want to call an "investment" is about as far from actual investment as you can come.

jambola2 realises that he is talking to BingoBoingo. He goes into coinchat talking mode.

I am willing to invest 0.03 BTC.
I will send it to you , and will expect 0.0375 within 48 hours.

Either - 7.5 mbtc profit , or one less scammer on the forums ( win - win )
Tell me your bitcoin address now.
hero member
Activity: 700
Merit: 500
Well , why don't we try just investing small amounts in him.
Maybe we can catch him red-handed and force him to quit , before we go bankrupt Tongue

Trusting people without history, and without reputation with anything you want to call an "investment" is about as far from actual investment as you can come.
full member
Activity: 140
Merit: 100
Well , why don't we try just investing small amounts in him.
Maybe we can catch him red-handed and force him to quit , before we go bankrupt Tongue

Sent 0.05 and received 0.0624 just under 2 hours later.

http://blockchain.info/fb/1kk5ri3

So as it stands, I vouch for this service up to now...but any discrepancies and/or losses in the future can not be attributed to my vouch.
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1038
Well , why don't we try just investing small amounts in him.
Maybe we can catch him red-handed and force him to quit , before we go bankrupt Tongue
donator
Activity: 3228
Merit: 1226
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I don't see any rules saying gambling services are not allowed nor do I see it a scheme.
A Gambling service is what it states, a gambling service. I've spent time and effort working out the methods now I am using them to benefit others to build a ground of trust with them and with other users here.
And you are not a mentor, someone who is an official or anyone important here so who are you to tell me how reputation should be used around here.
You just need to mind your own business and stop trying to start confrontations  because now you are lecturing me about trust when 5 seconds ago you were just talking about how this is all a scam

So you have a service that adds 25% guaranteed to the amount a user deposits to your address.

Why do you think this is not shady?
donator
Activity: 3228
Merit: 1226
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Because that would make no sense, the whole point of this is to build a ground of trust for when I open my site...
Of course I can just do it with my own funds and I have been, but that doesn't come with the benefit of having a base ground of trust here does it? Then I would have people like you screaming it's a scam like a toddler because you haven't seen it in action and you think it a ponzi scheme...

Do you not understand?

Building trust, is by long term reputation, built on grounds of good quality service, and good reputation in the community.

Reputation can't be bought, or earned from schemes.

If you were very serious about reputation, you wouldn't of done this thread at all, and just over time, making a few purchases, selling some goods,
earning yourself over months or years. To get reputation you need to do whats right and with effort.

Even the best of best ppl, sometimes end up in the very end running away, so ppl are overly careful today, as many schemes have came up,
and I seen a couple, and some where ppl lost a lot of $$$.

Built trust for your site by opening it up, introducing it to others, being a good outstanding community member, etc.

This isn't the right method for opening trust with your site, its the wrong method. Watch and learn.
donator
Activity: 3228
Merit: 1226
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Just because YOU THINK it looks shady or scamming that doesn't mean others do. I state very clearly if you don't trust it, don't invest in it.
And that's a load of crap, as the more and more people invest I'd still be returning 125% and nothing more than that. I am not returning 150% one at a time or going to 200% or 300%, I'd just be doing it as one big amount for 125%.

If you can handle more and more people investing, and if you can do one big amount for 125%. Then why not throw everything you own, and make it a 125%?

Do you at all not see your logic fail?

One you offer guaranteed returns. So why use investor funds when you can use your own?

Why not do this service on yourself? And make some bucks. And walk away as a winner?
donator
Activity: 3228
Merit: 1226
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For gods sake...
what part of doing it "over and over and over again" is not possible do you not understand?
The more you do it "over and over and over again" the higher the risk, and the less guarantee you have.
and also I already answered this
MODERATION IS KEY FOR THIS METHOD TO WORK AND SUCCEED.
IF I just kept on spiraling and kept going and going that is NOT moderation and the risk would get higher, and higher, and higher until eventually it all crumbles.

And for building trust, this isn't the method to building trust by offering shady services that look very scammy.

If its risky, then clearly you can't provide this service, as it would all crumble.

If your logic is true, then as more and more people invest, the risk would get higher, higher, higher until this entire operation
crumbles.

Your wording backfires on yourself.
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