Topic: Re: The release of Satoshi's personal data - page 14. (Read 29155 times)

Here's the Majority Rights post about dbarter where I described my idea that later became a web interface to dbarter I called "electrum".  The "funny" thing about it is that, IIRC, my motivation for implementing the Electrum system was that some guy was bugging me to get into Bitcoin in the _very_ early days.  Since I didn't understand blockchain tech, I thought I'd resurrect some old circa 2000 code Dan Brumleve had written while we were apartment mates working for HP's "Internet Chapter 2" project.  So even though folks were trying to get me into Bitcoin (and IIRC Nick had responded to me recommending I look into BitGold when I pinged him about the general ideas behind my "Electrum" shortly after the Lehman Bros bankruptcy), rather than take their advice I pursued what apparently became a dead end with Dan's code.  Hence I missed the chance to become wealthy. 

No my "Electrum" had nothing to do with the "Electrum" Bitcoin wallet that came later.  "Electrum" is simply a name that elicits electronic money, in whatever form, as well as having a history in precious metal currency -- which is why the name got reused independently.

PS:  For others who are interested in why I say Craig was in a position to capture the network effect that became YouTube, and may have caught the attention of anarcho-capitalists into jurisdictional arbitrage (such as Satoshi), in 2005 he inherited enough money to pay programmers to set up a video sharing site that included live video and channels for individuals -- and he most decidedly did not politically censor the content.  YouTube got started around the same time and I don't recall what features YouTube offered at around the same time, but I don't think it included live streaming for individual channels and I suspect it was politically censoring content even at that early stage. 

James, I will answer, though I expect you have said your piece on all this.

I do now recall Electrum.  In our first two partial years of conversations, roughly a month or two before Oct. 31st, 2008 (Satoshi's theoretical release) and Jan. 3rd, 2009 (Satoshi's Bit Core release), the entire blockchain theory was patiently verbally explained to me in great detail.  I think you are right-- it was yours...then called "Electrum" (I believe we discussed Szabo's BitGold too, as you
were a great gold bug-- likely many posts on Majority Rights and you at least read GoldIsMoney board, i believe it was).  In any case, Bitgold references or no, Electrum was your baby.  And it sounded precisely as Bitcoin.  Then, of a sudden, like 3 card Monte on 42nd, or a fuzzball under three cups, you announced that this guy Satoshi was working the same direction as you and he beat you to the punch (not your words, mine).  I emotionally recall being pretty crestfallen.  "Are you sure?  His system is better?"  

"Yes", you assured me, inscrutable Satoshi Nakamoto had perfected it, but it didn't matter, because you two had had the basic same idea, it's just that he had gotten a little further along faster--like Edison, to your Tesla, as it were,  as I saw it, being a fan of yours. Your tude was, if not "let the better man win", closer to "it doesn't matter, the important thing is that the data process gets out there and works worldwide as a horizontal leveler." No matter.  We were off to the races with Satoshi.  Thank You for jogging my old memory.

Then in 2011, and Electrum wallet was created.  OK fine.  Except it did have the 12 word pass phrase, or however many numbers in the phrase there were.  Electrum a common name, sure, admixture of silver and gold-- many beautiful Russian nuggets online.
Point is, I believe you had mentioned that a pass phrase could-- would eventually be built in and also that the block sizes could be expanded from 4mb or so to a full gig!  Maybe that's how I had begun early to think of phrases.

I should mention here that I never bought, owned or was gifted any other crypto, including any BTC (than "1DUD...VW"), or again trained myself to move it until April of 2018-- over ten years later.  As I have truthfully said, you and I had voice conversations on BTC, politics, Leith etc. in 2012 and 2014-- particularly lengthy in 2012.  

Readers should know that I came upon the blockchain record transaction of January 12th, 2009 over two weeks after I began posting here, and after I had truly asserted here that you sent me a gift of ten Bitcoins way back when.  And there it was, jutting out at me unspent (natch, I knew it was lost forever) ... my distinctive wallet address "1DUD...VW" (the people's, "volks" car of Hitler!)  James, did you do that as more fun gamery?  VW, really?  What are the odds?

So to avoid the timeout in posts, I will come back, edit this and include more as I write.  brb

OK, here I'd like to ask people to tweet to Martti Malmi.  I imagine he would protect Satoshi-- even if he does or does not know Satoshi's identity.  Why wouldn't he?  Martti is almost a hermit by proclivity; probably a well-to-do man as well.  As with James,
who would not fawn guilelessness with perhaps a hundred million plus (Martti's wealth?) or Satoshi's $6 bil?  Then there is The Lord of the Rings power...more on that next as well as Jame's post about a half year before "watching" before the Mt. Gox hack.  You can pre-read it here in his own words.  For a guy "not in Szabo's class", he surely is skilled in watching the baby.  And why does a poor
man need Armory off Ubuntu, for SegWit and hundreds of wallets' cold storage?  For sheer fun of academic play?  brb

James has picked up about 6 twitter followers, from 88 to 94.  Some are correct to believe me or judge it warrants worthiness of exploration.  ...If only for source of possible fluctuations in bitcoin price.

Re James' saying Szabo follows thousands of twitter accounts-- the number is about 2,000.  Forgot to look when Szabo joined.  I was in Tallinn when it came out.  2008 wasn't it, or late 2007?  I think 08.  Got banned within a few days for linking to my site's vids; my partner Agis lasted a few months by only linking every 7th or so tweet to our vids. Then banned again under another account at end of 2016 election for purple county buying (almost exclusively to men) "I've changed my mind!  I'm voting for Trump!" So anyway, it's indeed plausible Szabo and James don't know one another.  Just another exculpatory pre-engineered ruse.

As we all know, peer-to-peer and torrent downloads (as well as TOR) were huge news in 2008-- on everyone's minds-- even though Napster was old news and an earlier rendition.  emule was big in Europe.  "Peer-to-peer" was the phrase James most frequently used, though "timestamp", "blockchain" and "double-spend" were in there super-frequently.  I distinctly recall reading the Oct. 31 doc and seeing and generally understanding the concept with schematics.
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jabowery    Economy / Exchanges / MtGox BTC Price Excursion Starting 2013-06-21T07:05:49 UTC?   on: June 22, 2013, 05:35:37 AM
I've got a program monitoring MtGox and it picked up a price excursion that was way out of the ordinary from 2013-06-21T07:01:32 until 2013-06-21T07:06:04 UTC.  I mean like an order of magnitude excursion.

I have to presume I have a bug in my program but if so it is so intermittent that it happens only once in a few weeks because that's how long I've been monitoring the streaming data out of MtGox and nothing like this has happened before.

PS:  I sure wish they'd include basic stuff like checksums and sequence numbers on their streaming interface.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2547093

In posting this, I want to emphasize, I am not in any way suggesting James had anything whatsoever to do with the Mt. Gox hack heist-- rather, I think he was keeping an eye on his baby, bitcoin, and the interests of millions of BTC holders.  How many tech guys were monitoring Mt. Gox in June of 2013?  Some.  Probably.  Why? They had a stake in security?

The Mt. Gox hack
On 7 February 2014, Mt. Gox stopped all bitcoin withdrawals...
https://blockonomi.com/mt-gox-hack/

Ok, so if the 50 weeks thing is supposed to be James (whom, in your mind, is Satoshi)...

You are telling me Satoshi is asking a question in 2016 relating to the speed of downloading the blockchain and whether or not to use a bootstrap torrent?? In 2016, he is facing a decision on what to do about being "50 weeks behind", and he needs help deciding what to do??

Satoshi in 2010:

Satoshi would have already known the answer to the question and what options he had... and, really, I can't see Satoshi misspelling bootstrap twice.
That's a safe bet.

blah blah blah

all i see is doublespend talk about a possible social life of estonia, san fransisco and canada.
and then using the jabowery account where he talks to himself(doublespend) by promoting how double spend is on some radar and popular and important and may have been satoshis second recipient.

yawn

seems double spend aka jabowery is trying to play a fame game. talking about all the fame and social life stuff
but providing no bitcoin proof

we dont care about possible social life drama of incarcerations, deportations and alcohol fuelled parties in san fran..
or pretend unprovable skype calls to yourself at unprovable dates.

you can scream "i know who he is, hes my friend" for years. proves nothing. your just trying to play the fame game. self promoting yourself as 2 characters hoping atleast one of the characters gets famous

Holy cow, this story just gets weirder and weirder. You can't make this stuff up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Cobb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLoel5EKT34

Well DT let us know if you get that wallet up and running, you might need some of that BTC for yet another DNA test.

Craig Cobb? As in Craig Cobb the 14% black dude?  

I think it is a fake news because owner should conceal himself for there will be a possibilities that he will be block-mailed especially if everyone knows how rich he might be this time because of bitcoin. However, if he can explain and made a publicity regarding with his creation then we can say that he is truly the founder of bitcoin.

less then an hour time spent to prepare such an elaborate reponse. lol.

I too think that these jabowery and doublespend accounts are controlled by same person(s)...

I think that Satoshi is a great person and what matters is not his information and details but his creation - btc itself. we will use it for years. He has given us a chance to change the system of currency

ibminer, the 50 weeks thing is James being quoted, not me.  I guess he is not likely to sign any known Satoshi wallet.  Maybe he'll hold forth around here a lot more on technical issues, and that's something.  Seems the libertarian thing is, he is not telling any wallet address of his to anybody, why should/would he?

No. Excepting the Electrum obfuscation nonsense.

I am consternated about proving my 1DUD...VW address.  As I said, I fully recognize the crossed-hammers mining glyph and James was startled when I hit the mining button "start mining" or something like that, and it simply didn't work in that moment on the Sony VAIO.

If the word code thing was more recently introduced, I am either not remembering that correctly or maybe the early version presented to me had it, but it was then dropped for a while.  I understand I will likely never get any of it back, even from Pavel.

It's not very much the $33 or $35K.  That's pretty close to zilch in terms of what I could have made mining.  

There is the solving; there is the historical import.  

I was thinking this org, this board, has access to the earliest email signups.  If they do, they could at least confirm or deny.  I'd appreciate that.

I do wish to emphasize and truly assert, contrary to what James has seemingly suggested, that we have had, in 2008/2009-- (ref. Satoshi's Oct. 31st, 2008 theoretical release prior to Jan. 3rd, 2009 software release) including 2012, and 2014, multiple conversations specifically about Bitcoin.  I remember his citing the mysterious Satoshi and even teaching me the
value of a Satoshi.  Remember, I lived in Hawaii just under 25 years and have extreme familiarity with Japanese names, pronunciations, culture-- both Tokyo and HI Japanese-American cultures.  Those things stick in my mind with ease.

My personal belief is that the coincidence of the scientist Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto living two blocks from Hal Finney, or whatever distance it was-- the discovery via Spokeo type researches or something similar led to the name being selected.

Additionally, in a post the mods chose to delete a few days ago, I  cited talking at long length multiple times with James about a high-stakes game called "Tanomoshi" which I learned about from Japanese-Americans and Korean bar girls financing HI real-estate deals via.  I knew many people playing the Tanomoshi.  James liked the horizontal aspects of that and we envisioned many permissions/rule for participants in a digital version, as well as discussing his coding it. Please google "Tanomoshi", the historical Samurai link.

It was addressed to you.

You (doublespend timestamp) are claiming to be the owner of the 1DUDsfc23Dv9sPMEk5RsrtfzCw5ofi5sVW

You were asked to sign a message and stated:


Which implies to me that you were attempting to load your wallet and sign a message and were stuck waiting... but synchronization is not related to signing messages. Signing could theoretically be done offline.

... I thought only newer wallets have a 12 word seed phrase?...... I'm being trolled, aren't I? :/

I have a ledger and do sign or click transmissions for GAS/NEO and Nep5's.  Not the greatest expert on here, but I surely can't sign, right?, as Pavel has/at least "had" my Sony VAIO tower.  I don't have the full wallet address.  I remember my address-- even the "sfc" part, as I lived in SF in 1976 in the Da Free John cult and hung out with Elizabeth Holmes-- met her paramour whom she was the muse for.  So as I stared at it 12 years ago, figuring how to memorize it, I also saw the "sfc" center-body part as "San Francisco City" though that seemed weak.  The first and last caps were not hard to remember.  

Some of the mods and senior staff here seem to have generally advanced skills in elements of that.  If I can acquire the wallet key, I have ideas for both my 12 word code and my pass.  Especially the 12 words, as it is the first 12 words of a book.

Oh, ibminer, you addressed that to James.  Don't know enough about it to know if he can sign or confirm my receipt with some time or confirmation ping or if you suggesting we are the same person, which we are not.  I believe that is James.  Stylistically, it's him.  Just as he has used the expression "in a nutshell" with me on voice.  It happens he resides about a 100 or 120 miles from where I grew up.  That expression is/was common in our gen in that thoroughly midwestern part of the country.  The expression has fallen into disuse.
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Correction about my saying James was making his first post here today under his real name:

Not being an IT scientist, it is not readily apparent to me here how JAB is "o'ut' " of his friend Nick Szabo's league on May 22, 2011
in his "very first post" on bitcointalk.org:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.135678   
Why doesn't the CAP theorem kill BitCoin?
May 22, 2011, 08:58:46 PM
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I personally like and understand a quite a bit better "Satoshi Unplugged", his post of March 3rd, 2014.  Hope you will too.  Come on, James.  Trump is president and this country needs heavy-duty inspiring blockchain tutelage Daily Mail level scientific scoop before NEO, ELASTOS, and AI vaporware-- whatever it all is, finally stomps us.  I have never even heard Trump mention the word blockchain.  A little inspiration, pls., as when you testified before Congress on the dire need for stepped up scientific education
https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-bowery-9780865
 in the Kwa. :

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5476885

ANNIE-ROSE STRASSER et al could get rid of white privilege at the drop of a hat if they really wanted to: Just find some stinking desert (to use a Firesign Theaterism) somewhere and set up a reservation for these privileged whites who don't think they're privileged at all -- who would rather go to a stinking desert with _nothing_* and risk dying of starvation and thirst than spend another microsecond in the society where they are privileged. You'd get rid of millions if not tens of millions of these privileged white males virtually over night. Problem solved.

*You would, of course, have DHS X-Ray them to make sure they hadn't swallowed any diamonds before they crossed into the stinking desert never to return to the land of white privilege.

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I don't beleive that news propaganda released and easy to make fake personal data edited
It's been a long time some popular personally claim the identity of the founder creator of bitcoin

So, what's going on here? No proof of anything, I assume?

Something gives me the distinct feeling that jabowery and doublespend timestamp are the same person, engaging in a dialogue to affect perception.


Can you sum it up for us? I seem to have missed the convincing part.

Will you be signing a message from the 1DUD address? 
I don't believe this would require you to wait for any synchronization.

James, I am grateful, at least between you and I, you thereby (above) fully admitted you are in fact Satoshi Nakamoto.  

There is not a scintilla of doubt in my being that you and I were on Skype on January 12th, 2009, the whole time from start to finish, when I received those ten Bitcoins, and that you instructed me priorly where to download and configure the wallet etc.

You absolutely know this is true, too, James.

As you also full-well know, you schooled me in excruciating detail on blockchain theory-- on precisely what it was and how it worked.
Now you yourself say Electrum was not blockchain.  So we weren't talking about Electrum.

Further, I find Electrum wallet mentions.  There may be some other minor things about the net, I don't know.

Bitcoin gui applet - Alpinschnuller
alpinschnuller.com/lib/bitcoin-gui-applet-9290.php
I use Electrum as Bitcoin Wallet, and I want to update it. ... the "Bitcoin Core - Wallet" aka "bitcoin-qt" program that installs with James Bowery Vertcoin-cli getinfo ...

What is the preferred bitcoin gui for 17.10?
I notice that the "Bitcoin Core - Wallet" (aka "bitcoin-qt") program that installs with 17.10 has a GUI which may have been "OK" for the days before the BTC market cap was in the hundreds of billions, ...
17.10 gui qt bitcoin
asked Dec 19 '17 at 16:21

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https://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/bitcoin
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Electrum is broad obfuscation, just as 70%+ of considerers are instantly "TKO knocked out" by a whiff of "hate".

The barter references broadly allude to, or tacitly cross-cite, some aspects of Thomaz Winnicki's project.  I introduced you to Canadian-Pole Tomasz Winnicki.  You worked on his software.  I see he has a BTC address on his twitter.
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I only wish I could offer them as much help as you have.
Then release that monetary/barter exchange system you were working on before. Even the way it worked back then was highly useful, I think.
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You often used the phrase "plausible deniability" as to wallet ownership.  It extends to coding authorship I think. I get that.  

I appreciate there is almost certainly nowhere else on the blockchain in 2009 wherein 10 coins were transmitted and yet remain unspent, as "mine" lie there, as so much space junk.

I know this is a rock and a hard place for you.  I hope you didn't deep six or file 13 the million Bitcoins for your own eccentric, "rationally paranoid" or individualistic reasons.  A least, I hope you have sufficient funds to be comfortable and even locally-mobile in evading researchers or pests.  

A man of your means has surely had the RG6042 synthesized.  Good on you.

As you know, and I have said here, we had Skype voice and telephone conversation in the fall of 2012 about BTC hitting roughly $10 and $13 dollar levels.  How the concept was now proven and a great success.

I honestly don't recall that Skype exchange.  If it was circa 2009, then it must have been someone else.  I can believe Satoshi, whoever he is, sent you some BTC due to the fact that you had been breaking ground in social media with video and, were it not for the political attacks that sent you on jurisdictional arbitrage searches, could have captured the network effect that subsequently went to YouTube.  You were "on the radar" for anyone seriously interested in disintermediating the powers that be. 

There is also the possibility that your memory is conflating something I was working on back then called "Electrum", which was a kind of electronic currency based on Dan Brumleve's DBarter (distributed barter) software that won him some sort of award at the Hacker's Conference circa 2000.  But that wasn't a blockchain system and ultimately went nowhere.

Satoshi seems to have felt Szabo was out of his league too, as he didn't list Szabo's considerable peer-to-peer work in the Bitcoin paper bibliography, though he assiduously did many others' works.

Nick did make his well-chronicled public plea for a coder to "code it up" though, albeit without the ledger aspect, or at least the efficaciousness-making doublespend prevention provisions, if I understand it rightly.

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Szabo's ONLY reference to Bitcoin in all of 2009 is this post: https://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2009/05/liar-resistant-government.html which contains the underwhelming declaration "Satoshi Nakamoto has implemented BitCoin which very similarly uses a dense Byzantine fault tolerant peer-to-peer network and and cryptographic hash chains to ensure the integrity of a currency."

The gentleman doth protest too little, me thinks.

Nick says nothing in his blog about Bitcoin in 2010. How is that even possible when 2010 is the year when Bitcoin broke the one cent barrier and climbed over 20 cents per Bitcoin.

Nick's first real discussion of Bitcoin is later in 2011: https://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2011/05/bitcoin-what-took-ye-so-long.html

Different subject, but Walter Isaacson, in his bio of Jobs said Jobs mapped his genome and commented something like he'd be either the first person to be saved by the technology or the last person not to be.
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Good you are here to help.  Till now, though a prolific late 2008/early 2009 early Bitcoin adapter with vast C++ skills, you've never even openly posted here as yourself.

That social pariah stuff doesn't work on me, lol, as you know, James.  It might push most other people's buttons-- not mine or yours.  None of these libertarians want to believe Satoshi is a right winger.  Their TVs have taught them much better than that.

That's considered.  I appreciate.  

Let's say one doubts the address (pretty much widely accepted as Satoshi's own) which sent it to me.  In other words, lets say I did in fact receive it (I did) on or about that time.  Well, I suppose it couldn't be on that date, as, given my limited understanding of the total sequential history-- just that Satoshi was mining and shooting it to various wallets...well, let's say, for the sake of argument, it was a month later, i.e. February 12th, 2009...and my memory were right about a relatively early send to myself, but just wrong about Satoshi's wallet (the same one which sent to Hal Finney on January 12th).  

So, for one thing, under that scenario, is my wallet with 10 BTC's still around?  I am asking-- can someone check when the first wallet other than the "DUD...VW" wallet I claim is still lying around with 10 unspent to this day, December 13th, 2018?  You guys can read and parse these transaction faster than I.  So I feel as if that is a fair request.

Secondly, has anyone other than myself heretofore ever publicly and vociferously claimed the "DUD...VW" wallet as being his own?  That doesn't ipso facto prove anything, but you get my point.

I do understand the public spotlight.  Been on Drudge, WaPo, Rachel Maddow, The Economist (at least, my website), the front page of the NYT, etc.  It can be unpleasant, as is poverty.  As is jail.  Living in a hole in the ground might be worse.

Faketoshi is a problem.  It's hard for a man to understand how one can be that bright, with two PhD's and that bereft of character.

I do feel as if, for true curious investigators, I have made a more than reasonable circumstantial case.  Except I personally know it is all 100% true.

It wasn't me, Craig.  Briefly, if I were Satoshi, I would cash out some of my BTC to save Jan's life by getting RG6042 synthesized and treating her in an appropriate jurisdiction.  Although not decisive, there is the fact that two years after Bitcoin was released I asked a naive question here at bitcointalk.org.


Nick follows thousands of people on twitter and I'm on that long list simply because back in 1990 or so he was a prominent supporter of my efforts to privatize orbital launch services.  

 I am rarely in contact with him as he's now "out of my league", so to speak.  It's similar to my relationship to a number of other prominent people:

As your following links to Majority Rights demonstrate, I am a social pariah due to my views and anyone prominent can only be associated with me in a plausibly deniable manner, at most.  I can assure you that I am still impoverished and struggling.