Re: Updated Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns - page 134.

redsn0w

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#Free market

Quote from: tspacepilot on March 10, 2015, 10:22:00 AM

So it seems quite confirmed that redisn0w was incorrect about needing the phone number only for sign-up. You do need it for withdrawal and other actions which means that finding an internet one-time sms wouldn't help. Anyway, I don't know if it's worth it to put a note on your OP about the .5% fee and the telephone number for the bit-x campaign.

I have requested my bitcoins today, and I haven't put any "second" confirmation code. I have only put the first sms code when I have logged in the site.

EternalWingsofGod

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Quote from: Mitchell on March 09, 2015, 07:05:50 AM

CryptoVPN doesn't have escrow, as Carra23 will be counting the posts of members and processing payments as well. I'll update the OP with the details of the signature campaign right now.

EDIT: Done.

Quote from: Mitchell on March 09, 2015, 05:51:29 PM

Quote from: bitkilo on March 09, 2015, 05:48:49 PM

CryptoVPN has made a couple of small changes to it's campaign.
Maximum post for the month has been dropped from 100 to 80
They will also make a half payment for members that can only make 40 posts for the months.

Those are some nifty changes. Updating the OP right now.
EDIT: Done.

Temporary change in offer for CryptoVPN change in effective post count for users this month so a note might be required

Quote from: CryptoVPN on March 06, 2015, 12:23:36 PM

This month of march we will only require 30 for half and 60 for full just in case we get any late joiners this month.
April and any month onwards will have the requirement will go back to 40/80.

bitgeek

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Quote from: Quickseller on March 10, 2015, 06:58:41 PM

By not paying for spammy posts he will not attract spammers, leaving room for people who make higher quality posts, which will increase the overall effectiveness of the campaign

That's one problem. Whether the post is considered spammy or is only the manager's choice and the participants are not being told which of their posts were disqualified.
The other is the length of posts. If it was only about spam I wouldn't even start the argument, but it seems most posters were paid less than they should because their posts, according to the person who counted them, were too short. I guess that's it, we'll see how they do next week.

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Quote from: bitgeek on March 10, 2015, 06:50:00 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on March 10, 2015, 06:25:39 PM

Quote from: bitgeek on March 10, 2015, 06:19:29 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on March 10, 2015, 03:58:46 PM

Da dice just paid out their first week of payments and they were way under budget (had budgeted ~8 btc but spent less then 2 btc). You can probably move them to active.

I read they cut payments to a number of their posters claiming that they don't pay for "one liners", although there was no such thing in the rules. If any of you are planning to join think twice, because they may randomly decide that your posts are too short or not constructive enough.

If you are referring to yahoo's posts from last week, then I had reviewed the last three pages of his posting history and they were mostly spam. I am not sure why he was not banned during the last week for insubstantial posts+paid signature

IMO campaign operators need to do more to actually fight spam

No, it's not about yahoo. I meant these people who complained in the thread today about not getting full payment. I agree that managers should be strict, but they also should make the rules clear.
Dadice's current rules give them free choice to decide whether your posts qualify for payment or not and as a result nobody knows if their posts will end up being paid for. At the same time this allows the manager to cheat posters by cutting their payment by a small number every month and blaming it on whatever (like not long enough or not constructive enough).
This member has similar concerns: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10730750

The post in question was not made in english so it would not have counted no matter how long it was. In the case of da dice, the campaign manager and the owner of the site are two different people so the incentive to keep costs in line are not there, all the campaign manager needs to worry about is that he does not go over budget which he accomplishes by not allowing more participants then if everyone made the max number of posts into the campaign. By not paying for spammy posts he will not attract spammers, leaving room for people who make higher quality posts, which will increase the overall effectiveness of the campaign

bitgeek

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Quote from: Quickseller on March 10, 2015, 06:25:39 PM

Quote from: bitgeek on March 10, 2015, 06:19:29 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on March 10, 2015, 03:58:46 PM

Da dice just paid out their first week of payments and they were way under budget (had budgeted ~8 btc but spent less then 2 btc). You can probably move them to active.

I read they cut payments to a number of their posters claiming that they don't pay for "one liners", although there was no such thing in the rules. If any of you are planning to join think twice, because they may randomly decide that your posts are too short or not constructive enough.

If you are referring to yahoo's posts from last week, then I had reviewed the last three pages of his posting history and they were mostly spam. I am not sure why he was not banned during the last week for insubstantial posts+paid signature

IMO campaign operators need to do more to actually fight spam

No, it's not about yahoo. I meant these people who complained in the thread today about not getting full payment. I agree that managers should be strict, but they also should make the rules clear.
Dadice's current rules give them free choice to decide whether your posts qualify for payment or not and as a result nobody knows if their posts will end up being paid for. At the same time this allows the manager to cheat posters by cutting their payment by a small number every month and blaming it on whatever (like not long enough or not constructive enough).
This member has similar concerns: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10730750

Quickseller

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Quote from: bitgeek on March 10, 2015, 06:19:29 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on March 10, 2015, 03:58:46 PM

Da dice just paid out their first week of payments and they were way under budget (had budgeted ~8 btc but spent less then 2 btc). You can probably move them to active.

I read they cut payments to a number of their posters claiming that they don't pay for "one liners", although there was no such thing in the rules. If any of you are planning to join think twice, because they may randomly decide that your posts are too short or not constructive enough.

If you are referring to yahoo's posts from last week, then I had reviewed the last three pages of his posting history and they were mostly spam. I am not sure why he was not banned during the last week for insubstantial posts+paid signature

IMO campaign operators need to do more to actually fight spam

bitgeek

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Quote from: Quickseller on March 10, 2015, 03:58:46 PM

Da dice just paid out their first week of payments and they were way under budget (had budgeted ~8 btc but spent less then 2 btc). You can probably move them to active.

I read they cut payments to a number of their posters claiming that they don't pay for "one liners", although there was no such thing in the rules. If any of you are planning to join think twice, because they may randomly decide that your posts are too short or not constructive enough.

Quickseller

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Da dice just paid out their first week of payments and they were way under budget (had budgeted ~8 btc but spent less then 2 btc). You can probably move them to active.

Dajve

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Quote from: dabbs on March 10, 2015, 03:50:18 PM

Does someone want to fill me in on what this is? How do I get into one?

Choose one from the op that is applicable to your membergroup, put their signature in, don't spam and get paid to post. You don't get much as a Newbie but you get more as you achieve a higher forum rank.

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Quote from: redsn0w on March 10, 2015, 03:53:30 PM

Hey Mitchełł, can you also remove the 0.10 bitcoin bonus part? It seems the bonus was removed, due to the weekly payment and also due the removal of the min. limit of posts necessary for receive the payment.

Thanks for the attention.

Will do that right now. Thanks, must have missed that.

redsn0w

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#Free market

Quote from: Mitchell on March 10, 2015, 10:29:51 AM

Quote from: tspacepilot on March 10, 2015, 10:22:00 AM

So it seems quite confirmed that redisn0w was incorrect about needing the phone number only for sign-up. You do need it for withdrawal and other actions which means that finding an internet one-time sms wouldn't help. Anyway, I don't know if it's worth it to put a note on your OP about the .5% fee and the telephone number for the bit-x campaign.

Good idea, added.

Hey Mitchełł, can you also remove the 0.10 bitcoin bonus part? It seems the bonus was removed, due to the weekly payment and also due the removal of the min. limit of posts necessary for receive the payment.

Thanks for the attention.

dabbs

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Does someone want to fill me in on what this is? How do I get into one?

Mitchell

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Quote from: tspacepilot on March 10, 2015, 10:22:00 AM

So it seems quite confirmed that redisn0w was incorrect about needing the phone number only for sign-up. You do need it for withdrawal and other actions which means that finding an internet one-time sms wouldn't help. Anyway, I don't know if it's worth it to put a note on your OP about the .5% fee and the telephone number for the bit-x campaign.

Good idea, added.

Malin Keshar

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Quote from: redsn0w on March 10, 2015, 10:05:23 AM

Quote from: tspacepilot on March 10, 2015, 10:00:53 AM

So Malin Keshar seems to be insinuating that you *do* have to enter an SMS code in order to withdrawal (or perhaps I misunderstand him).

I think he is wrong, I have never put a confirmation code when I have withdrawn my bitcoins from the site (because the site doesn't send you a SMS, but maybe I don't remember correct).

you have to log in to withdraw

and to log in you need sms verification

tspacepilot

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I may write code in exchange for bitcoins.

So it seems quite confirmed that redisn0w was incorrect about needing the phone number only for sign-up. You do need it for withdrawal and other actions which means that finding an internet one-time sms wouldn't help. Anyway, I don't know if it's worth it to put a note on your OP about the .5% fee and the telephone number for the bit-x campaign.

Mitchell

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I just tried to login on Bit-X and they send me a text message with a confirmation code. I don't have any balance there so I couldn't test the withdrawal part.

Quickseller

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Quote from: tspacepilot on March 10, 2015, 10:00:53 AM

So Malin Keshar seems to be insinuating that you *do* have to enter an SMS code in order to withdrawal (or perhaps I misunderstand him).

to withdraw from bit-x you will need to either receive a SMS text message or a phone call with a code. You need to enter that code on the bit-x website in order to confirm your identity.

redsn0w

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#Free market

Quote from: tspacepilot on March 10, 2015, 10:00:53 AM

So Malin Keshar seems to be insinuating that you *do* have to enter an SMS code in order to withdrawal (or perhaps I misunderstand him).

I think he is wrong, I have never put a confirmation code when I have withdrawn my bitcoins from the site (because the site doesn't send you a SMS, but maybe I don't remember correct).

tspacepilot

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I may write code in exchange for bitcoins.

So Malin Keshar seems to be insinuating that you *do* have to enter an SMS code in order to withdrawal (or perhaps I misunderstand him).

Malin Keshar

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Quote from: tspacepilot on March 09, 2015, 10:36:14 AM

Quote from: SebastianJu on March 09, 2015, 08:38:13 AM

Quote from: hilariousandco on March 09, 2015, 08:31:20 AM

Quote from: SebastianJu on March 09, 2015, 08:17:37 AM

Quote from: arallmuus on March 09, 2015, 07:40:32 AM

the payout will depends on your constructive post counts, if you are able to make 1000 constructive post / week, according to the thread, they will pay for 1.6 BTC for your rank because it is mention that there is no limit the to the post count

I doubt ill be able to do that. I only made 39 posts in the last 30 days. So if only constructive posts are taken and 1000 of them for 1.6btc... then this would mean actual real hard work and the payment wouldnt be worth it then. I only would think about it when i dont really have to change my behaviour very much. Up to 100 posts are possible for sure though i wonder if constructive isnt a very stretchy term anyway. Is constructive needed for the other campaigns too? I mean i cant imagine someone sitting there, reading all posts and decide which is constructive.

If you can do a little over 50 choose a fixed rate like Luckybit (0.125). More than 100 choose a pay per post like bit x (0.16 for hundred but you can make much more than that but posting that much is no easy task as you mentioned). Constructive basically means just don't spam or post pointless rubbish for the sake of it. I've had a quick look over your posts and all or most should be fine and counted as 'constructive' so you probably would be ok if you just continued on as normal providing you made the minimum 50 posts for payout.

I think ill see if bit-x works since i dont really want to post more than i normally would do. Though now i wonder if they have a limit regarding a minimum. I posted in their thread now and see what they see.

I think that the only trouble with these guys is that they require a mobile phone number in order to create an account on their website and they only pay to accounts on their website---not to your personal btc address. Apparently withdrawal from their website also requires that you reply to a text message. I don't know if there are withdrawal fees.

you don't have to reply.

You need to write in the site the code you get from the SMS.

Of course if your number gets inaccessible for you for any reason you most probably will lose your payment forever, so if it is worth is something to think about

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