Anyway, this has been off-topic enough (1 to 1.5 pages is long enough). Please get back on-topic, which is:
- Discussing signature campaigns
- Telling Shorena and me about signature campaign changes
- Telling Shorena and me about new signature campaigns
Topic: Re: Updated Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns - page 58. (Read 17849 times)
I think the recent posts are getting more or less inclined towards how to manage a campaign rather than the actual purpose of this thread.
Steveds you are thinking that a campaign can be easily managed by a bot which does not have any intelligence to go through the quality of user's posts but the quantity of their posts (character count).
For example I looked at some of your posts and in these posts although you have crossed the minimum character count but the posts are only of one sentence which is I think disallowed in the campaign you have joined.
So in these cases a bot will easily validate those posts just by character count but a sane manager will not do so.
Tl,dr - Every work in the world should not be automatized by bots. Why God gave you brains - The power to intelligence and skill?
Steveds you are thinking that a campaign can be easily managed by a bot which does not have any intelligence to go through the quality of user's posts but the quantity of their posts (character count).
For example I looked at some of your posts and in these posts although you have crossed the minimum character count but the posts are only of one sentence which is I think disallowed in the campaign you have joined.
So in these cases a bot will easily validate those posts just by character count but a sane manager will not do so.
Tl,dr - Every work in the world should not be automatized by bots. Why God gave you brains - The power to intelligence and skill?
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that is just another money making scheme,show me one who actually has intentions to help reduce the spam otherwise.
Fuck you.It isn't the Staff's job to judge a user's post quality unless it is especially bad.
Exactly. We don't have time to judge every single user and every single post that they make. In case you didn't mean the staff members, I know a manager who cared a lot about the post quality: Carra23.
A big no,nothing of that is my assumption and i guess you need to go through it once more,you can take several meanings from one post if you separate it and that is why you are not able to read mine.
How about you make a new thread, explain how incapable all campaign managers are in your option, why you think Mods should do work that isn't even part of their job and how the new concept you provide would make the situation any better?! Quote
that is just another money making scheme,show me one who actually has intentions to help reduce the spam otherwise.
Fuck you.
A big no,nothing of that is my assumption and i guess you need to go through it once more,you can take several meanings from one post if you separate it and that is why you are not able to read mine.
I doubt that ever happens
You doubt that managers actually do their jobs? That's a fairly bold assumption.that is just another money making scheme,show me one who actually has intentions to help reduce the spam otherwise.
You think that the Staff only are such because they want to earn money? You really have a skewed view on the moderation on this forum; this almost certainly isn't the case.I meant a Mod/staff judging not user to user.
It isn't the Staff's job to judge a user's post quality unless it is especially bad. Even so, I don't see why this invalidates what I said originally. The managers should be doing that.
I doubt that ever happens,what percentage of reports do you get from the managers ? that is just another money making scheme,show me one who actually has intentions to help reduce the spam otherwise.How so? Humans can judge things better than any machine/bot currently.
I meant a Mod/staff judging not user to user. If there is a bot then you don't need to maintain/manage the campaign ?
And it would also remove some people's jobs while lowering overall post quality. Apart from participants earning more from spamming shitty posts, I cannot see any positives to this.It is at least better than user judging user ?
How so? Humans can judge things better than any machine/bot currently.by the way the bitmixer bot wont count that post too.
Due to the amount of characters in the post. This is not a good way to judge a post's quality. Most of the people didn't get it,so i wont be quoting it,but as you are being rewarded for whatever work you are doing and majority of which is handling requests i assume then you will be doing the same in that case too.If there is a bot then you don't need to maintain/manage the campaign ? how come it increases the work or takes more of your time ? There would be no spreadsheet ,no drama like the bitmixer.
Exactly how do you think that a staff team of ~10-15 moderators is supposed to look through (and asses) tens of thousands of posts monthly in addition to handling everything else that we've been handling so far? I wouldn't trust a bot to do this kind of work.Now, who is checking the posts ? no one but the active users are and they(participants) risk a ban if they spam & get reported.
The managers should be doing that. In cases where they fail to do so, the staff picks up on individuals themselves or via reports. Actually we are not being paid at all, we get rewarded for contributions. You can technically not moderate at all in a month if you choose to.
Most of the people didn't get it,so i wont be quoting it,but as you are being rewarded for whatever work you are doing and majority of which is handling requests i assume then you will be doing the same in that case too.If there is a bot then you don't need to maintain/manage the campaign ? how come it increases the work or takes more of your time ? There would be no spreadsheet ,no drama like the bitmixer.Now, who is checking the posts ? no one but the active users are and they(participants) risk a ban if they spam & get reported.
While a mod may not remove a post like "Thank you for this, it's really good!", a manager may not count it.
It is at least better than user judging user ? by the way the bitmixer bot wont count that post too. Are you going to me pay to do so? 
You are already getting paid to handle the requests ?of course you are gonna keep yourself in the 1% lolll,cursing them while wearing one ?
There's no real reason not to find a custom deal for myself if this is already allowed. I can't ban myself either. I'm completely for the removal of all signature campaigns and have been so for a while (since the influx of spam). My point is not to accuse you guys but a Mod is the perfect guy to check the posts & if the enrollment is done by a script it wont affect the users.
No, you've got this wrong. That would take up too much of our time.
Since the topic is about Signature Campaign Managers,I would like to share my views,since we have all quite respected people here .(Sorry if this is off topic but there was no other place to share it apart from the comments above).
A few days back,I tried to write a script to check if a post is spammy or constructive.Like one has to put his post in the textbox and the value returned is the "quality of the post".At best,what I could achieve was the post which had no grammatical errors and were more than 100 characters in length turned out to be good posts ,others,if even they're on topic but smaller than 100 words,it will be considered as a spam,which is wrong.One really has to implement NLP(Natural Language Processing) or simply Artificial Intelligence to detect if the post is constructive in regards to the topic.Hence managers are best suitable for the job.
Thing about the managers is,they hire members which are absolutely spammers ,just to fill in the positions and advertise their campaigns to get paid.There are very few mangers like Lutpin/ZengryT who literally hire members very carefully.I think if there is a policy in the forum for signature campaign managers like only approved managers can manage the campaigns ,it would reduce so much spam provided if the campaign owner doesn't have his own manager.
A few days back,I tried to write a script to check if a post is spammy or constructive.Like one has to put his post in the textbox and the value returned is the "quality of the post".At best,what I could achieve was the post which had no grammatical errors and were more than 100 characters in length turned out to be good posts ,others,if even they're on topic but smaller than 100 words,it will be considered as a spam,which is wrong.One really has to implement NLP(Natural Language Processing) or simply Artificial Intelligence to detect if the post is constructive in regards to the topic.Hence managers are best suitable for the job.
Thing about the managers is,they hire members which are absolutely spammers ,just to fill in the positions and advertise their campaigns to get paid.There are very few mangers like Lutpin/ZengryT who literally hire members very carefully.I think if there is a policy in the forum for signature campaign managers like only approved managers can manage the campaigns ,it would reduce so much spam provided if the campaign owner doesn't have his own manager.
To be honest the managing thing should be removed completely and everything must be done by a script.Moderators are there to handle the spam and the users will get fair chance.
So that you can spam more often, which you can't do so now because of me.
(Better join Bitmixer or YoBit if you prefer so)
Mitchełł, you may add Xotika on FLUX since everyone has to enroll anew before commencement of each round.
In your case we would have to remove all or most of the staff and let badbear manage the rest of the moderation.If moderators do their typical job and the bot accepts users then it will be perfect for one and all.
What? Moderators and Signature Campaign managers have different things to look out for, and should be looking for different levels of post quality. While a mod may not remove a post like "Thank you for this, it's really good!", a manager may not count it. I think you misunderstand what the job of a moderator is.Also, a bot isn't perfect. It is very easy to trick a bot into paying for posts that shouldn't be paid for.
Mod's are working regardless of the signature campaigns,users are not.
Though this then begs the question, are the sort of users that come here solely for signature payments the sort of people we want in this community?You are already getting paid to handle the requests ?
Moderation and campaign management are two separate jobs. While they may get paid for one, that doesn't mean they wouldn't deserve to get paid for the other.of course you are gonna keep yourself in the 1% lolll,cursing them while wearing one ?
The signature campaign isn't the problem, it's the level of shit that people post in order to benefit from wearing one that is. I agree with Lauda, the majority of people on signature campaigns who post drivel deserve to have a ban - my point doesn't become invalid because I am wearing one myself.& if the enrollment is done by a script it wont affect the users.
How does it affect the users any more if the enrollment is done by a person, bar maybe the user having to wait a day or so before getting paid for their posts? May I remind you that one of the biggest campaigns that used a bot was YoBit, a campaign that - previous to hilariousandco stepping in to manage - was one of the most hated in the community. This was due to there being no limit to what was constructive and what was not, allowing people to spam shit all over the forum simply to receive payment. I would much rather wait a small while for my posts to be counted for payment than something like that happen again. I doubt that roslinpl will accept him in the campaign betcoin.ag. When he sees his posts history for sure will say thank you. That was close and he would get permaban from yahoo.
To be honest the managing thing should be removed completely and everything must be done by a script.Moderators are there to handle the spam and the users will get fair chance.-snip-
IMHO a manager should do the job so well that additional moderation for the participants by the staff is not needed.
Are you going to me pay to do so?
You are already getting paid to handle the requests ?Step 1) Ban 99% of the signature participants for 30 days.
Step 2) Remove all signature campaigns.
of course you are gonna keep yourself in the 1% lolll,cursing them while wearing one ?Step 2) Remove all signature campaigns.
My point is not to accuse you guys but a Mod is the perfect guy to check the posts & if the enrollment is done by a script it wont affect the users.
I doubt that roslinpl will accept him in the campaign betcoin.ag. When he sees his posts history for sure will say thank you. That was close and he would get permaban from yahoo.
To be honest the managing thing should be removed completely and everything must be done by a script.Moderators are there to handle the spam and the users will get fair chance.-snip-
IMHO a manager should do the job so well that additional moderation for the participants by the staff is not needed.
Moderators are there to handle the spam and the users will get fair chance.
No problem. This is how I'd proceed:Step 1) Ban 99% of the signature participants for 30 days.
Step 2) Remove all signature campaigns.
Step 3) Profit??
Are you going to me pay to do so?
0.01BTC per post removed and I'm in. 
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To be honest the managing thing should be removed completely and everything must be done by a script.Moderators are there to handle the spam and the users will get fair chance.
HAHAHAHA. Yeah, like we are going to do the job of a campaign manager. Are you going to me pay to do so? I doubt that roslinpl will accept him in the campaign betcoin.ag. When he sees his posts history for sure will say thank you. That was close and he would get permaban from yahoo.
To be honest the managing thing should be removed completely and everything must be done by a script.Moderators are there to handle the spam and the users will get fair chance.There is no open slot,some one was faster than me. :/
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