Topic: [Ready!] 2017 Second Edition Keyois Capsules with tungsten rings available now (Read 1144 times)

Hey Hey everyone, second edition capsules are out now, see keyois.com to see them for sale, or keyois.com/about to learn more or even see keyois.com/photos to see more, and of course there is the explanation of why anyone would want anything like this in the first place, which you can read Here.




This thread is old and filled with what appears to be highly ignorant information, so I plan to delete it and create a new one in a few weeks when I get a better video of crushing the capsule with a 12 ton press again or maybe something new. I've got two capsule make expressly for destroying.

No it is not. As long as it is relevant to me purchasing Keyois or not, and the company who produces it, it's very much on-topic. Besides, who are you to judge as a relative newcomer to Bitcoin and a newcomer to this forum?

All three points are bullshit. There are a few gifs from Peter R Charlatan and that's about all of it. There is no data supporting what you claim, nor have I seen any BTU supporter post this data anywhere. A simple 2 MB block size limit could indefinitely DoS the network due to quadratic validation time (no "parallel validation" from BTU does not solve jack shit). This single sentence is enough to invalidate anything related to BU.

This.

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It's pointless to try to sell in this second when almost all of the collectors are pro status-quo. Some may let this slip and still buy from you though. Don't forget to rename the next product to Keyois Unlimited.

It is true I did not reply to the off-topic posts but I believe I have already said all there is to say on the matter.

I go with what the data and anlysis say, and at this point that is Not full blocks.

Please note that I stated I favored what the data said and asked for data which disputed it and no data to dispute it came.

As far as I am concerned I will keep sticking with the data, if there is any data to support full blocks I would be very interested to see it. If there is any data to suggest segregated witness as softfork is better than a mainchain data cap increase I would happily look at it. Yet I see no data that disputes me and only data to validate my current opinion.


If you would be so kind as to tell me what questions I have 'dodged' I would be happy to address them.

Hi there friend!

Your posts are in fact off topic, as the topic is one thing and you bring up another.

Like I have said before, I stick with what the data says, the data right now shows no danger for bigger blocks, no danger for centralization, and no danger for a planned hard fork with a super majority activation.

At the same time logic displays that the Core roadmap to have always full blocks will lead to full blocks and full blocks lead to orphaned transactions, full blocks also lead to fees too high for most of the world to transact with, full blocks also lead to a change in usability.

I will stick with what the data says, if you have any data you would like to share, please do.

This is the market speaking, and the market is saying no to BU and the few ill-informed businesses that support this political coup on the open-source core developers.  The market does not want to put block size into the hands of a mining cartel in China and incompetent developers who have repeatedly introduced bugs into their "emergent consensus" implementation. We don't want to see Bitcoin nodes centralized into data centers as the blockchain begins taking up terabytes of space which exceeds consumer hardware and bandwidth that exceeds data caps established by most ISPs.  The market does not want to see the ease in which governments can disrupt bitcoin by going after these data centers and mining cartels who exist at the pleasure of the governments in which they are established. 

If you don't like it, maybe you don't understand your target market.  I'm sure Roger Ver will buy a few Keyois capsules as gifts for his employees that he pays to make pro-BU propaganda posts.  But the rest of us want nothing to do with your fancy trinket if it includes an endorsement of the poison pill known as BU.

i totally forgot about you supporting BU unless i saw this thread
Thanks for PM'ing me about these!

Though i will probably like to have one but i do not want to endorse BU, so i will pass

PS - see for yourself how it is  , still time for you to make things right

wow what a bummer! Those Capsules look nice but supporting Bitmain/BU is a no go for me. Thanks cat for pointing out!

Again I'm going to agree with Lauda on this matter. You have represented keyois here and you made the decision to get the product included when you made those posts. So I'm not interested in these either, and I'd also like to not receive any more PM's regarding it.

This is a very poor attitude to take, you should remember that you do not run bitcointalk and it is an open discussion board. Customers have brought up a point, which you have specifically tied to Keyois in a blog post and now you are hiding instead of justifying your reasoning. I don't know much about this BTU/Segwit detail, but I can see someone dodging important questions a mile away.

Our posts are definitely not off-topic. This is a product from Keyois, and comments regarding the actions of Keyois are very relevant. It seems that you are spamming pretty much everyone from a pre-defined list of people who "showed interest", even though I have been completely against your product. Let me repeat myself one more time: I will not be buying anything from a BU supporting company and will tell everyone else to stay away from such companies. I have put you on PM-ignore to avoid more unwanted reservation of products PMs.

Case closed.
~Lauda

FYI everyone:

Tungsten rings are here, so second edition Keyois Capsules are coming soon, only 50 to be made.

The second edition capsules come numbered and are available with either with the buyer-supplied BIP38 encrypted SK and address or with a regular P2SKH SK & address that I will securely make. There are also new centerpiece options coming soon.


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*edit, to those replying in a completely off topic way, please some some reproducible and demonstrable evidence to back your viewpoint and you'll get a lot further with your attempts at convincing other to your own opinion.

This is sorry to see. no offense here - everyone has there own opinion and you going with BTU was yours.

But am not sure you been in bitcoin long enough , even i haven't been in it long enough.

we follow bitcoin for a reason and what they are trying to do is change the whole thing.

Now you go saying keyois supports BTU with what company you just may have started.

I love your work man but i do not like to support btu and buying your stuff is like endorsing it!

Thanks for the details hybridsole
 

I think people are entitled to their own opinions regarding the block size, however with regard to Bitcoin Unlimited or BTU, I would have to agree that it appears to be a coordinated attack on the network by a group that does not have bitcoin's best interests at heart.

Changing the protocol rules to push a contentious hard fork and implement a new consensus mechanism which is poorly coded, tested, and governed is extremely reckless.  The fact that it has garnered the support is has leads many in the developer community to believe this is either a malicious attack, or is being pushed as a way for a certain subset of miners to stall Segwit and prevent a change to the block headers which would remove a certain covert, competitive advantage.  The advantage that Segwit removes would put all miners on a level playing field. Instead, by opposing Segwit, a certain ASIC chip manufacturer may continue to threaten the very decentralization the bitcoin relies upon by cornering the market on mining hardware and forcing their competitors into bankruptcy.  This competitive advantage misaligns the incentives of miners employing the advantage to put short term profits over the long term health of the network. In summary, it's a bug that needs to be fixed.   

Keyois as a company has staked their name and reputation as one of the very few companies opposed to Segwit and promoting BU. Source: https://coin.dance/poli



I have no reason to believe Keyois is associated with those who are purposely stalling segwit, but out of 140 bitcoin companies surveyed, only 7 oppose Segwit. Out of these 7 companies that oppose Segwit, very few appear to employ engineers or developers who are actively working with the protocol.  The vast majority of developers, engineers, cryptographers, and qualified individuals who live and breathe bitcoin unanimously agree that Segwit as a soft fork is the logical path forward for bitcoin to scale safely. 

Unfortunately for Keyois, he has went so far as to fan the flames of the debate by parroting the dangers of Segwit and pushing the reckless emergent consensus attack on the network. As your customer, I feel the need to say that you are wrong, and I am glad to see others doing the same. 

I didn't had an idea that keyois is supporting BTU

I'll pass on these, i dont think anyone here would like to buy products of someone supporting BTU

I'm going to second this. To me it's pretty shameful to be in the position you are in and to then make those decisions. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just got a bit sad when I heard the news as I like the product.

-Hhampuz

Initially I wanted to buy the first product, and there were even some lucrative offers to do so. The idea is rather unique and gathers attention due to the scarcity of non-coin collectibles in the premium range. The second offering of Keyois is a product of seemingly great potential. However, there is a major downside to this company.

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As far as I've been recently informed, Keyois is in support of the contentious attack on the Bitcoin network also known as Bitcoin Unlimited (also known by the BTU abbreviation in the case of a fork). It is both disappointing and shameful to see someone to support this attempted hostile centralization of the Bitcoin network. I am thereby never going to touch another product from Keyois.  Furthermore, I am going to highly advise all of my closer colleagues to stay away from this company and its products. Anyone who came here for the right reasons (one of which are permissionlessness and decentralization) will not support any company working against it.


Have a nice day.

Hi,

I'm not interested in one that are not as good as they should be or are not water proof

I will stay with the best quality product you make and if you have it in silver as well or any other i will take it! (not gold though)
I will wait for your PM , #3 and #4 it is
Thanks

Awesome, will do!  Thanks again and I'd be looking at the silver or bronze end caps most likely.

Quick question, is it .999 fine silver that the centerpiece is made of?

I always like these type of bitcoin physical storage, a little bit like Kialara - a piece of art.

Think I may have to look into purchasing one this time.
Shipping to Australia price?