Real Satoshi killed by US Govt - replaced by Craig S. Wright

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Quote from: CryptGuardian on May 21, 2019, 10:31:01 AM

I they cannot control Bitcoin or crypto in general, they kill it's creator and replace them with a fraud operating with the US govt.
Now he ( the us govt) can claim copyrights of crypto and blockchain technology.
What implications would this have? Collaboration with the US govt, higher transaction fees ? Disowning of BTC, blockchain copyright, alt coins banning?

This is a bigger conspiracy theory than the reality we have in our hands, for the US government to replace someone who is Australian and a person who migrated to England in order to stay away from the authorities and you think the US government hired him to claim the copyrights, yes i have seen many conspiracy theories in the past, but your one made me laugh. If he filed the application through fraud he will be exposed no doubt about it.

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Quote from: avikz on May 21, 2019, 10:43:00 AM

Quote from: CryptGuardian on May 21, 2019, 10:31:01 AM

I they cannot control Bitcoin or crypto in general, they kill it's creator and replace them with a fraud operating with the US govt.
Now he ( the us govt) can claim copyrights of crypto and blockchain technology.
What implications would this have? Collaboration with the US govt, higher transaction fees ? Disowning of BTC, blockchain copyright, alt coins banning?

Your points are valid! I thought Craig's appeal will be rejected by the court but the verdict turned the table to create a more hostile situation within the cryptospace.

If Craig was awarded copyright to the bitcoin code and the original whitepaper, ideally he owns the copyright of blockchain! I may be wrong here but unsure about the future implication! It will be end of blockchain technology if Craig starts claiming his ownership on the technology! It's too early to comment anything concrete at this moment, let the story unfold slowly!

Well, I would not go as far as to say that the points of a person who claims that Satoshi was killed and replaced by Wright are valid, but I agree that this copyright thing being resolved in favor of Craig is weird and somewhat scary. Unfortunately, it's the down point of the legislation. It does not really matter if you did what you say you did. If you have something resembling the proofs as well as no other people trying to challenge your claim with their evidence, you'll probably be granted authorship. It is less likely to happen in the US or Britain, and pretty much 100% likely to happen in Europe. I guess now Craig can sue those who use Bitcoin and maybe also the blockchain technology, commercializing their own projects and not giving him royalties for that.

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If this is all about Craig submiting for the copyright of Bitcoin White Paper, I think he is late for that. Some interesting information on one video, I can't clearly identify the instittution where satoshi filed a copyright of Bitcoin whitepaper, if you are interested you can hear it from this video . It is from The Crypto Lark, he is discussing something about the reason why Craig file a copy right claim on Bitcoin Whitepaper.

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too fast to say that US govt has killed bitcoin creator and created other ownership to become replacement figure without authentic proof. if US govt claims the copyright of bitcoin it could be, who in this world does not want to own the the world largest digital assets copyright. but I am disappointed if the Bitcoin copyright is owned by the US government, I am afraid that if Bitcoin is no longer independent, open source becomes a capitalist.

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So Craig know this will happen thats why he paid for Bitcoin.org domain with Credit Card in 2008 (records are kept for 25 years by law).
Australian Tax office record of it is just a fabrication of it, or what?
Heavy bags leads to severe cognitive dissonance and entrenched positions.

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CSW claims “Bitcoin was birthed using a credit card payment” and that he has the records on his taxes from 2008 that he paid for the domain name Bitcoin.org. It's a well known fact in the crypto community that the Bitcoin.org domain was owned by Satoshi and Sirius, a.k.a. Martti Malmi.

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Quote from: CryptGuardian on May 21, 2019, 10:31:01 AM

I they cannot control Bitcoin or crypto in general, they kill it's creator and replace them with a fraud operating with the US govt.
Now he ( the us govt) can claim copyrights of crypto and blockchain technology.
What implications would this have? Collaboration with the US govt, higher transaction fees ? Disowning of BTC, blockchain copyright, alt coins banning?

This news just made me hate Craig Wright and his Bitcoin version more, but we all know that he will not gain support and there is only one Bitcoin and Nakamoto, his actions clearly indicates that he is an impostor and he will be treated like that all the time.

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Quote from: electronicash on May 21, 2019, 12:30:36 PM

you must have read the coingeek article about government recognizing Wright. were you not aware its a clickbait and not true?
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Yape, after some dug up I figured that. Craig applied to have the copyright which does not mean he will get that. Anyone can apply for patent even me can say that I am satoshi :-P

I don't understand why those third graded websites do this things to mislead people. They are after pumping BSV.

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Just another conspiracy theory, I'm not buying this. It seems that people just love them and are obsessed with them, just as with identity of Satoshi Nakamoto. From so many theories about Satoshi I think that I haven't heard only that one that he was taken by the aliens. And I wouldn't be surprised if that one appears too.

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Quote from: AGD on May 21, 2019, 11:41:03 AM

There are indeed a lot of indicators, that Satoshi might have been killed. After the 'Wikileaks accepting Bitcoin' story, things started to get weird.

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Sums up to a nice conspiracy story. Now the problem here is: It didn't work! Good for Bitcoin and bad for Gavin, Craig, Roger and the rest of the 3 letter fanboys.

Reading all these articles will really make you think that there's some conspiracy story here. But Wright will never be the real Satoshi no matter how hard he tries. And now if no one challenges his registration, what will happen? Will he get the approval of the Copyright Office? Are they going to find the real owner of those documents?

https://www.coindesk.com/craig-wright-attempts-to-copyright-the-satoshi-white-paper-and-original-bitcoin-code

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this is more likely than Craight Wright actually being Satoshi!

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Quote from: CryptGuardian on May 21, 2019, 10:31:01 AM

I they cannot control Bitcoin or crypto in general, they kill it's creator and replace them with a fraud operating with the US govt.
Now he ( the us govt) can claim copyrights of crypto and blockchain technology.
What implications would this have? Collaboration with the US govt, higher transaction fees ? Disowning of BTC, blockchain copyright, alt coins banning?

Oh there is this much of possibilities I never thought of this .Its all assumption but even it’s making sense for my dirty mind . There migh be lots of possibility banning my altcoin I think that’s not possible.

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Nobody ever knew who Satoshi is. How did the US government found out who Satoshi was and killed him in thin air.
It's very hard to digest it. Though there might be a possibility it is still highly unlikely for it to happen.

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It's hard to believe this theory since you got no evidence to prove it. Satoshi is still part of Bitcoin's success and he's still doing a great job despite hiding his identity and that's a good choice.
Let's just think positive and try not to spread fantasies and theories because it could only mislead people.

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They wouldn't have done that and instead just let crypto prosper in order to reap the benefits later on. Also, I doubt that there were any plans to take over bitcoin back then as it's still relatively unknown, and even now, too, given that the size of bitcoin compared to USD and fiat is ridiculously small. The government can focus their attention and energy elsewhere and not on bitcoin's creator. They have larger things at hand and rhe awarding of copyright to CSW perhaps is just a decoy to divert media attention (lol @ my conspiracy theory).

Anyway, I like what you're smoking. Pass it on.

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Quote from: electronicash on May 21, 2019, 12:30:36 PM

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if that is the case, users will just move to another coin to forget BTC if worse scenario happens.

I don't think it's ever going to happen, not for the reason of this faketoshi. Bitcoin is not depending on a person or two. It's a network trusted by entire community (I guess millions so far).

Bitcoin is above of all these shits that are happening surrounding of this Craig W drama.

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It's unrealistic. I guess that's just a part of your imagination since you didn't get that information from a reliable source. That's fine though, we have our own fantasies. As for me, Satoshi is still alive and still operating Bitcoin. Craig is just a person who seeks attention.

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you must have read the coingeek article about government recognizing Wright. were you not aware its a clickbait and not true?
i suspect those whales in BSV are responsible for it, looks like they are making a final act before dying.

i don't see why the government has to recognize him and what are their plans after that if the government really will see Wright to be Satoshi?
if that is the case, users will just move to another coin to forget BTC if worse scenario happens.

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I already made a comment about it in another topic. So I will quote it here:

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on May 21, 2019, 09:17:54 AM

LOL this US Govt full of stupids. Why would we care about the things a centralized bunches of stupid people say whatever they want to say? We have tools to cryptographically prove it.

Tell this piece of sh*t to sign a message from the genesis address (1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa). Also to sign a PGP message using the key which satoshi had. Plain and simple.

Craig W can make the stupids stupid but we who are here from long run are not stupid like them. We are bitcoin community, we are running bitcoin hence we will decide our way to authenticate satoshi not bunches of stupid getting paid for doing shit leveled as Government.

Bottom line: This stupid people who are running the Government have very less idea about Bitcoin industry. So their approvals means nothing for us. Craig is a fraud, he is making all this fuss out of nothing. He is an ass hole.

What happened with the case of 5000 BSV reward?

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There are indeed a lot of indicators, that Satoshi might have been killed. After the 'Wikileaks accepting Bitcoin' story, things started to get weird.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/213230/could_wikileaks_scandal_lead_to_new_virtual_currency.html

https://gawker.com/the-underground-website-where-you-can-buy-any-drug-imag-30818160

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.29280

2 days later Satoshi posts for the last time on Bitcointalk. A few month later he allegedly wrote an email to Gavin (“I’ve moved on to other things. It’s in good hands with Gavin and everyone.”) and as if he knew, the hornets started stinging:

(Meanwhile XKeyScore might have already led to the person behind the Satoshi Nakamoto nick)

https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=6652.0

https://twitter.com/gavinandresen/status/80785477342478336?lang=de

Satoshi hands over Bitcoin alert keys to Gavin, disappears and then:

http://gavinandresen.ninja/satoshi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNZyRMG2CjA

https://www.ccn.com/gavin-andersen-craig-wright-blog-mistake

https://www.wired.com/2016/05/craig-wright-privately-proved-hes-bitcoins-creator/

Sums up to a nice conspiracy story. Now the problem here is: It didn't work! Good for Bitcoin and bad for Gavin, Craig, Roger and the rest of the 3 letter fanboys.

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He can't prove he is Satoshi Nakamoto, neither that he is the creator of bitcoin code, that is what really matters.
But it's a bit shocking the copyright was granted to him by US Copyright Office government agency (the first in the world to recognize him as the main author and writer of the whitepaper). I bet it doesn't have any validity.

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