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legendary
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June 20, 2021, 06:07:15 AM
#4
So that would make total supply around 16 million BTC. Some of these have a private key that is encrypted and the password forgotten, whereas others have lost the private key entirely, like the hard drive lost at the rubbish tip in Manchester in 2013 with a key for 800BTC on it. So the former will eventually be able to be brute-forced in coming decades when quantum computers can be accessed. But the lost keys are lost forever.

Wallet files are usually encrypted with symmetric cryptography like AES, so quantum computers actually won't be able to help a lot here, but a growing speed of regular computers might do the tricks, although it's hard to predict how many decades would it take to crack 128-bit AES.

But I would assume that most coins are lost in the second sense, with no encrypted file available, because that's what happened in early days - files were lost with OS reinstalls, hardware got thrown away, etc.
hero member
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June 20, 2021, 06:02:15 AM
#3
If we subtract Satoshi’s 1 million BTC (as Plan B does in his STF2X model), should we also subtract the ~4 million BTC estimated to have been lost?

So that would make total supply around 16 million BTC. Some of these have a private key that is encrypted and the password forgotten, whereas others have lost the private key entirely, like the hard drive lost at the rubbish tip in Manchester in 2013 with a key for 800BTC on it. So the former will eventually be able to be brute-forced in coming decades when quantum computers can be accessed. But the lost keys are lost forever.
As you have said, maybe those ~4 million BTC can be accessed by those individuals, that's why maybe PlanB didn't include it in his calculation. And as he said, it will be subject for adjustment in the future research. So the model is not yet final, it's a working model, but so far, as we take a lot it seems that it is working as design by PlanB.
legendary
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June 20, 2021, 05:44:10 AM
#2
"This translates into a BTC price (given 19M BTC in 2020–2024) of $288K. "

https://medium.com/@100trillionUSD/bitcoin-stock-to-flow-cross-asset-model-50d260feed12
I didn't understand if PlanB accounts for lost bitcoins or not, but there isn't much time left until 2024 to test his theory. She has many supporters and many opponents.
newbie
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June 20, 2021, 04:29:10 AM
#1
If we subtract Satoshi’s 1 million BTC (as Plan B does in his STF2X model), should we also subtract the ~4 million BTC estimated to have been lost?

So that would make total supply around 16 million BTC. Some of these have a private key that is encrypted and the password forgotten, whereas others have lost the private key entirely, like the hard drive lost at the rubbish tip in Manchester in 2013 with a key for 800BTC on it. So the former will eventually be able to be brute-forced in coming decades when quantum computers can be accessed. But the lost keys are lost forever.
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