Topic: reason why sig-campaigns are not banned? (Read 2711 times)

The spam here is defined differently. Spam is supposed to be someone that with the use of electronic messaging systems sends unsolicited messages (from wikipedia) but here in the forum spam is more like posts that are not constructive which can easily be ignored, I really don't know why people get so mad, you can simply ignore them. At least we dont have people spamming memes or photos every thread or what's worse like youtube which is full of every type of spam possible, memes, people copying jokes, overused memes, pretty much 90% of the comments there are off topic.

If you think that removing signature campaigns will end all spam you are deeply mistaken. Go see some other big online communities and forums - Reddit for example.
There are no paid signature campaigns there - yet the spam is overwhelming.
Signature Campaigns for the contrary are making people's posts more constructive imo because most of the campaign managers are not paying for half witted spammy posts.

For campaigns like Yobit, they do not impose any section restriction and results in spammer in those sections irrelevant to Bitcoin like off-topic. Their posts in Bitcoin sections aren't constructive either. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/public-list-of-yobit-spammersthis-ones-gonna-be-long-boys-1241968. Furthermore, most just give a one-liner response which is marginally constructive.

For campaigns that are stricter and are not bot counted, the quality is significantly better if they go through a selection process. The problem isn't with signature campaigns but it is with the method of managing them.

As said, there are many spammers in the forum and they do not contribute actively to the discussion. There is no use even if you block the signature. That feature is more for people who find fancy signatures annoying.

Define "often really bad"...any stats to back that up? For everyone 1 bad post there are 100 good ones.




Better yet, there's a feature in profile settings that allow any one of us to not see the signatures of other posters. It's amazing that people don't use this feature.

Disclaimer: My campaign does not pay me for this post or any posts in Meta.

They're a source of earnings in the community. You can easily ignore them. There are some chrome extensions out there. Some block well known signatures.

Signature campaign brings an economy to this forum. It make the account worth something.
If we do not want to signature campaign, then we should remove any facility which can earn poster any amount of money.

Some are, some aren't.

Well, suppose we do ban the signature campaigns, we can remove the signature space (what if campaigns shift from threads to private messages?) then we will go on to take off avatars... and personal texts.. and usernames (imagine 25 accounts with ilovexyz.com xyzisebst, checkoutxyz)... and threads... and posts ... and the forum...

I have to say it is a great way to introduce new people to micro payments from all over the world. I regularly interact with people on other platforms and at some point the topic gets discussed. I use this forum as a example of how micro tasks can be awarded and they are normally blown out of the water, when they grasp this concept. I have seen some of these people joining and also participating in signature campaigns, which is great for adoption.

There will always be a few people who would misuse this opportunity, but they get dealt with very quickly. I post casually during the week and get rewarded for that, and over weekends I take a break and enjoy the fruit of my labor, by spending that bitcoins on my kids. < Buying a ice cream or paying for a movie >

Thanks for the opportunity to spoil my kids a little for the time I spend on here. ^hmf^

It is stupid on anyone's part to say that signature has anything to do with quality of post.Quality of post in independent of whether a poster wearing a signature or not.I am not counting myself,but their are numerous knowledgeable members on this forum who contribute greatly with their posts,whats wrong if they get paid in Bitcoin for their postings?

I think they should be banned in off topic.

If I count the number of such threads, the count has reached almost 20-25. If scammers aren't banned, abusers aren't banned, people selling illegal goods aren't banned, why should signature campaigns be banned? The forum does earn traffic from these campaigns and if at any time they do get banned, almost 50-60% members would leave this place.


The reason being obvious that this forum is popular due to the campaigns. Else there are forums who have strict rules and most spammers and scammers avoid those places. (Your signature is interesting lol).

You are talking less as compared to the number of members who are actually involved in signature campaigns...
There are many people who are making a living with the help of these signature campaigns...

At least half! And yes I agree that half of the signature campaigners are here just for the reward and spamming but there are also many of the quality signature campaigners. I wouldn't put them all in the same basket.

I do think though that it would be a huge mistake to ban signature campaigns. This is an economy now, even this forum with the Bitcoin companies and advertising and its users it's a part of the Bitcoin economy. All of this has to live somehow and just like in the real world, there is a lot of advertising spam but this is unavoidable in my opinion, nothing we can and we should do.

The only problem with your idea is that campaigns pay more to higher rank simply because your signature can have more things, background, links, etc etc. They just simply have to take care of their participants, if they post shit kick them out, problem solved.

i can say why, because i was here in 2013, the reason why signature campaign were not popular back then it's simple, it was because altcoin were more popular and more rewarding, iw as making much more in the altcoin section than i can ever dream about with signature

Because it's their job and Campaign Managers also get PAID to run campaigns. I don't know if you've noticed all the shitposts across the forum but that's because of lazy campaign managers paying people to shit all over it. The other option is to just ban signature campaigns.... or maybe Campaign Managers should just do their job in the first place. And we are taking responsibility and dealing with it but mods and admins have better things to do than banning hundreds of people a week just because they're posting shit all over and getting paid for it. If they didn't get paid for it in the first place then they wouldn't do it so confront the issue at source and there won't be all the spam everywhere that everyone has to deal with seeing. At the moment it's like trying to save a sinking ship by bucketing water out of it as it does nothing noticable because there's still gallons of other shit flowing in every direction and if nothing changes on the campaign side then it's only going to continue and the ship is going to keep on sinking until we plug the holes. The holes can either be plugged by campaign managers actually doing what they're supposed to do (preferable) or campaigns being banned alltogether (not preferable but that's the ultimate option if nothing changes).


Most campaign managers aren't doing anything whilst mods are left to clean up, so it is down to them. Mods are working hard on the issue but don't you think instead of me spending hours copying and pasting hundreds of usernames and then having to wait for BadBear to go through them all to check them and in the meantime there's a hundred more users spamming away it would be better if they just wern't making the posts at all? If shitposters didn't get paid to shitpost then there wouldn't be 90% of the spam that's here, but at the moment you can get paid for posting one word replies in off topic and we're left to deal with it when they shouldn't even be making those posts in the first place and it's all because of lazy campaign managers so they're the ones that need to change their ways and do their job.

By which I meant, its better than the spam pay-per post campaign participants collectively post.
And I've only seen participants posting spam in Local boards and sometimes in the English boards, but from my experience*, fixed campaigns don't attract most of the spammers, as they can easily earn more than that in a pay-per post campaign.
*While managing E-coin campaign, didn't see anyone making any unconstructive posts, well except nickaizoku, but only 1/3rds of his posts were counted.

Unlikely so. It is easy and profitable for fixed campaign participants to use multi accounts and spam the forum while enjoying the high payout, especially if many people are participating. Fixed campaigns would attract multi accounting if the policies are not strict enough, the campaign I was previously in had very strict criterias during selection and there is next to no spam coming from that campaign.

well No, you can say that fixed campaign posters are better than pay per posts one's ,but you can see many people making 90% of the posts on the last day of the week.

also , this is a waste of money for the campaign owner's if they don't know why they are giving money to people who dont have the ability to think and make a logical /helpful or a wanting post. I am personally not a racist and i wouldn't care if it is broken english or broken japanese but it should have content in it . If you are posting the same thing again and again with the best possible english at present time ,It is still spam or posted to make some buck's.

not necessarily, ive seen people on fortunejack and coinroyale (and others) spam pages and pages of half line posts that say 'i agree yes put comment here' or 'thanks you for this things i wills appreciate it never' and stuff like that. the usual stuff you know.