Topic: reason why sig-campaigns are not banned? - page 2. (Read 2711 times)

Well, isn't that what fixed campaigns are for? Well the post quality doesn't have to be great but I'd say fixed campaign participants have by far the best post quality.

I don't know what you get from my last post but let me explain you once more.

If people create new accounts and post shit they dont get PAID . SIMple

my point was people are posting shit because they have a goal of 100 posts a week and they try to reach that no matter what they post.
Now I am not saying anything about the limits here

But now as the criteria is high quality post = high pay  and not more post = more pay , so now they try to post quality cause it forces them to ,
Think of a HERO guy getting 0.00025 per post ,he will be left with no choice than to improve the quality of his posts to get paid HIGH .

you do see that this opens up the possibility for an unbelievable number of new accounts being created to just farm campaigns that right? doesnt really take a genius to figure that one out. really flawed thinking here, people will only make 'constructive' posts because they can technically spam an unlimited number of them by just creating endless new accounts. it would be creating a whole new problem altogether.

Most campaign's are not so problematic ,I would say the campaigns should pay for post quality and not for forum Rank's.

If a guy is posting shit while carrying a legendary rank then he should not get paid 0.0015~ per post and on the other hand if a newbie is posting excellent quality posts then he deserves to get paid 0.0015~ per post.
the campaign's are paying for their promotion and i don't find a reason why they exclude certain sections (games and rounds) of the forum ? is it just to stop people from reaching the upper limit ? or what, either ways not so good effort to stop spam.

The pay should range between 0.0004~ for the worst or shit post and 0.0025 for an excellent & contributing post no matter who makes it .
In this way each and every guy on campaign will at least try to post high quality and reach the maximum pay for his post's made and not maximum post count, which will stop spam eventually.


you are hitting it hard and to the point...

I dont see why all the pressure should be thrown onto the campaign managers. Why not let the moderators take some responsibility as well? You guys are PAID to moderate the forum correct? How about going through the gambling section and deleting the 100 threads on which poker site is the best? Or maybe create a new section for the 100s of sports handicappers? And many many many other repeat threads.

This isnt really a personal attack on anyone but its pretty shitty to say campaign managers dont do their jobs. If you guys paid attention to the MagicalDice campaign and the spreadsheet youd see that i had to read 1200-2000+ posts a week. And i denied payment for 200+ posts every single week. As well as kicking users out of the campaign when they A didnt meet min posts counts for 2 weeks straight B Acted like yobit posters C were found to have multiple accts enrolled, and other reasons.

I also think it should be a common practice for managersto look into recent post quality before accepting users into a campaign, but that dont happen by all managers. You can look at recent posts and if you see large gaps in the posting history its fairly safe to assume the account is someones shill or a sold account. I dont allow those users in campaigns myself, maybe others do

Now i also realize that its probably not a personal attack on myself and other managers or campaigns without managers are the campaigns in question here, but i think if mods and managers worked together we could do alot more for the forum as a team vs placing the emphasis on managers alone. Wouldnt that be an easier solution?

Some campaign managers just don't care about the quality. I had seen a lot of spammers with automated campaign signatures that spams continuously, especially with no section restriction. That is till mexxer-2 started compiling the spammer list, it did reduce.
I think the point he's trying to make is that nearly everyone on this topic is trying to make posts to get paid since posts in this section is mostly counted.

I have to say, I feel like a total fucking whore participating in a sig campaign.   I railed against them for a long time,  but the fact is that I'm broke.  And I don't think I'm a huge shitposter.  And my English is good. And I can rationalize anything.   

Some one not wearing a paid signature doesn't mean he or she is not participating in a signature campaign. These people have mostly alt accounts enrolled in signature campaigns  

Bwahaha, I find it pretty ironic that everyone except the OP here has a paid sig(Blazed's doesn't matter though, as he gets paid 0.5 BTC per month, regardless of posts made)

Shitty posters that repeatedly make 2-3 word posts get banned whether they're in a signature campaign or not. The mods do their job well, OP you don't really need to concern yourself with it.

To be honest most signature campaign managers boot low quality posters off their campaign any way.

I agree that there are posters who's purpose is only to chase their payment targets. I find this not even to be a problem as long as their posts are at least good of quality and related to the thread or the posters quoted text.

If they are creating empty/nonsense posts to reach their goal, then the signature campaign operator should kick these people. It's that simple. What comes to my attention is that there are a lot of these people posting in the lending section and the market place. There is also a lot sales thread crashing/hijacking by noobs who are pretending they are interested in your product. They ask nonsense questions while everything is self explanatory or the OP has all the information already described.

They're probably not banned for a few reasons. One, it would be hard to get rid of them without entirely removing signatures, personal texts and also avatars (people will still continue to rent them as they are currently doing). Two, sig campaigns will obviously bring in a lot of traffic to this site, and three, they do contribute to bitcoin adoption/ecosystem and are a great way to get people invovled in bitcoin and get them their first coins and all for free or without investment. However, I don't think all these reasons should come at the overal expense of the forum being shat all over and that's why I've been pushing for a few changes for a while that I think will help the forum greatly but so far nothing really.


Signature Campaigns are by far the easist way to earn btc and with a high-ranking account you can get much more than 1-10 cents. You can get close to a dollar per post on the fixed rate deals, but sadly it is mostly the lower-ranked users on the lower-rate campaigns that are getting a few cents that cause the most spam. As for the type of people on signature campaigns I'm sure the spectrum goes from people in developing nations who the money makes quite a difference to their lives to peope with full time jobs who just see it as a great way to earn a bit of extra bitcoins for something they would be doing anyway to people who probably have an army of accounts and post-full time. Personally, I don't care which group you fall into as long as you're not posting shit. I think we can all agree that getting bitcoins for free is a good thing but we really should be putting more effort into making sure low-quality posters aren't going to be getting paid and if they're not then the quality of posts will naturally increase but without putting some pressure on the campaign runners nothing is likely to change without mods just banning hundreds of people a month which isn't ideal and is very time consuming for us and that's why the workload should be put on the campaign managers with consequences if they don't do their job properly.


I will be taking over the Yobit campaign soon and will be kicking off all the shitposters after a warning. If all campaigns had someone who was actually keeping an eye on them then the spam would clean itself up, but they don't. If all campaigns don't follow the same standard then it's pretty pointless really as I know for a fact anyone I kick off Yobit is just going to go to the next available campaign that will have them which is currently Secondstrade (and they do next to zero about quality control).


I've always said signature campaigns could actually improve the post quality on the forums but only if Campaign Managers only accept and pay for quality posts. Personally, I think we need to put severe pressure on the campaign managers to actually do their job and if they don't either them or their campaigns should be banned from the forum.

2013 was the year of hyperdeflation.

Same thing next year, I guess we will see 10x more pepople

I doubt it, when did this forum reach maximum of people online, in 2013. There were no signature campaigns back there. If people come here just to join a signature campaign I'm fine with them leaving the forum but I'm pretty sure that 90% of people who joined sig campaigns were already participating in the forum without one.

it's more like 30 cents per post, as long as they increase the discussion they are fine, if they are simply off-topic or reiterating then action should be taken, funny thing is that i've spotted some trollers and spammer that do not carry signature, but no one talk about those users ever...


you're generous, i think it's more about 70% -80%

That is definitely true. Most people enrolled in a signature campaign, post the most bull shit posts ever. But the thing is, if we banned signature campaigns, I would say only around a quarter of the people on this forum would stay. People need motivation to post, and getting paid is definitely good motivation.

If done right sig campaigns are great for all involved. The problem are the spammers who run lots of accounts and post useless things. I get paid a flat rate regardless of how much I post...

Why not get paid for something you worked to achieve? I have spent 2 years here on and off to get to hero almost legendary, and if someone want to pay me for a small advertising spot why not. It doesn't compare to the time I have spent here

Just for the record I had my sig made and uses my referral links

To be honest, not all campaigns are bad. Campaigns like Yobit have automated payouts with little restrictions and allow users to spam at those boards that are easy to spam. Even with 20 post, it is easy to create multi accounts. However, some campaigns do have stricter post quality restrictions. I have joined several of those which only allows high quality posters. Banning signature campaign as a whole would only bring in negative feedback from majority of the forum members who treats signature campaign as a bonus for posting on the forum.

This is what I am thinking also. This forum would be a lot less active without all the paid to post members here. It is obvious that the forum does mind these guys so long as they keep it somewhat understandable. Seems like only the 3-4 word spammers get banned.