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shorena
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Recent dadice.com development
September 24, 2015, 04:21:28 AM
#153
Due to recent news I decided to change my feedback to neutral.

Quote from: dadice_pr on September 22, 2015, 09:19:00 AM
We are currently going through a transitional period. During this time the agreed upon changes with the former administration will take place and finally Da Dice 2.0 with new features and a complete and entirely rewritten/new unique script exclusively for Da Dice 2.0 will be made available. Programmers are already working on this task.
We expect this to be done by mid October.

Now, there are however a few changes that will take place immediately.

1. We have disabled the investment option and the remaining investors are asked to please divest their investment. As a side note, we do not plan to open the investment option in the future again.

2. Faucet: For the time being and until the launch of DaDice 2.0 our faucet will only grow once 1 btc has been wagered. Increment values are the same as the existing levelling system. Once 1 btc has been wagered your faucet amount will automatically jump to the amount according to your level reached. With the launch of DaDice 2.0 a redesigned faucet system will be introduced.

The thread will stay unlocked as long as the discussions here stay on topic.
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Re: Recent dadice.com development
August 01, 2015, 04:48:58 AM
#152
Quote from: shitaifan2013 on August 01, 2015, 04:43:21 AM
Quote from: ndnh on August 01, 2015, 04:37:01 AM
Quote from: shitaifan2013 on August 01, 2015, 04:31:46 AM
no one thinks that, that's a straw man agrument.  Roll Eyes but nice try...


the cold wallet is only providing the information that the casino owns the amount claimed and is solvent. dadice is already failing at that, despite taking investments.

everybody that doesnt get paid to have a non-conclusive opinion will agree that this is at least shady  as fuck, especially in accordance to how the whole dadice story has unfolded so far.

we've seen it all before more than once...

Tongue

Does PrimeDice (and many other sites) have public cold wallet address? Please let me know if it does. If it doesn't, why not?

pd aint taking investments.  Roll Eyes also there are (older) known pd cold wallets one can find with a little google-fu. stunna also isnt anonymous. and I'm confident that stunna would provide the necessary info if there ever should be the case that it's needed.

on the other hand, dadice will never be able to provide that info, even if they wanted.

so yeah, guess you can put the straw men back into the closet now.

There is no need to rehash an argument that has already been made way before this thread even was needed. PrimeDice is not the issue here.

If anyone has anything new to contribute to the thread, PM me.
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Re: Recent dadice.com development
August 01, 2015, 04:43:21 AM
#151
Quote from: ndnh on August 01, 2015, 04:37:01 AM
Quote from: shitaifan2013 on August 01, 2015, 04:31:46 AM
no one thinks that, that's a straw man agrument.  Roll Eyes but nice try...


the cold wallet is only providing the information that the casino owns the amount claimed and is solvent. dadice is already failing at that, despite taking investments.

everybody that doesnt get paid to have a non-conclusive opinion will agree that this is at least shady  as fuck, especially in accordance to how the whole dadice story has unfolded so far.

we've seen it all before more than once...

Tongue

Does PrimeDice (and many other sites) have public cold wallet address? Please let me know if it does. If it doesn't, why not?

pd aint taking investments.  Roll Eyes also there are (older) known pd cold wallets one can find with a little google-fu. stunna also isnt anonymous. and I'm confident that stunna would provide the necessary info if there ever should be the case that it's needed.

on the other hand, dadice will never be able to provide that info, even if they wanted.

so yeah, guess you can put the straw men back into the closet now.
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Re: Recent dadice.com development
August 01, 2015, 04:37:01 AM
#150
Quote from: shitaifan2013 on August 01, 2015, 04:31:46 AM
no one thinks that, that's a straw man agrument.  Roll Eyes but nice try...


the cold wallet is only providing the information that the casino owns the amount claimed and is solvent. dadice is already failing at that, despite taking investments.

everybody that doesnt get paid to have a non-conclusive opinion will agree that this is at least shady  as fuck, especially in accordance to how the whole dadice story has unfolded so far.

we've seen it all before more than once...

Tongue

Does PrimeDice (and many other sites) have public cold wallet address? Please let me know if it does. If it doesn't, why not?
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Re: Recent dadice.com development
August 01, 2015, 04:31:46 AM
#149
Quote from: ndnh on August 01, 2015, 04:21:05 AM
My only point is the whole thing is set up on the speculation that not providing a cold storage address makes it a scam. It doesn't. It is fine, may be suspicious. But does PD has that? Why not?

As I said signing a cold wallet address doesn't mean dice owners cannot run with their funds. Many still think there is some kind of magic with that, and the funds will be safe. Why?

no one thinks that, that's a straw man agrument.  Roll Eyes but nice try...


the cold wallet is only providing the information that the casino owns the amount claimed and is solvent. dadice is already failing at that, despite taking investments.

everybody that doesnt get paid to have a non-conclusive opinion will agree that this is at least shady  as fuck, especially in accordance to how the whole dadice story has unfolded so far.

we've seen it all before more than once...
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Re: Recent dadice.com development
August 01, 2015, 04:21:05 AM
#148
My only point is the whole thing is set up on the speculation that not providing a cold storage address makes it a scam. It doesn't. It is fine, may be suspicious. But does PD has that? Why not?

As I said signing a cold wallet address doesn't mean dice owners cannot run with their funds. Many still think there is some kind of magic with that, and the funds will be safe. Why?
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Re: Recent dadice.com development
August 01, 2015, 03:31:26 AM
#147
Quote from: cazkooo on August 01, 2015, 03:09:49 AM
Quote from: tspacepilot on August 01, 2015, 01:05:50 AM
The only thing I'd add is that while I understand that Shorena doesn't want to talk about other casinos here, I think it is relevant to ask him why he feels okay with promoting (and presumably playing) at the casino he's currently advertising if they haven't shown their cold-storage wallet, etc.

I think that is because it is off topic, this is about dadice not the other, perhaps you can open up another thread

Correct, if you have anything that makes you think any other casino should be warned about open a thread about said casino and I will most likely see it. If not feel free to send me a PM.

To the other point, Ill just quote my last answer.

Quote from: shorena on May 20, 2015, 05:47:36 PM
Quote from: tspacepilot on May 20, 2015, 05:34:09 PM
From what I can tell, these complaints add up to this:

Someone wants proof about bankroll, dadice decides not to provide proof.

Is there really anything more to it than that?

I can see why they wouldn't feel good about revealing their resources to Stunna (their biggest competitor, right?).

Im willing to remove the ratings if a trusted, neutral party (e.g. devthedev, tomatocage, DannyHamilton) has verified the bankroll.

Its not only the fact that they do not make the existence of funds public, but also the attitude towards IMHO valid criticism. They come up with new reasons for every one that is refuted. I have seen this highly defensive behaviour in the past and I cant say that any good came out of it.
-snip-

Quote from: cazkooo on August 01, 2015, 03:09:49 AM
Quote from: tspacepilot on August 01, 2015, 01:05:50 AM
I wonder how many months/years would have to go by before Shorena would be willing to say "hell, okay, maybe they never showed their cold storage address but they have now  been offering services for XX years/months and it's clear that they're not in it to scam, they're merely offering a gambling service and profiting on the house edge".

Shorena is a very fair person because after months or years operating without issue , he will change his rating to neutral. Look at what he did , he change marcotheminer rating to neutral after months. I think shorena make a very fair claim here and I dont see that is issue warning people about this.

I am indeed more forgiving than e.g. Quickseller and have change ratings to neutral even though I had several people asking me not to/to change it back to negative. I dont have a strict policy regarding this, but the latest reply from DaDice has if anything strengthened my believe that they are not professionals and should not be trusted with any coins.
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Re: Recent dadice.com development
August 01, 2015, 03:19:29 AM
#146
Quote from: cazkooo on August 01, 2015, 03:09:49 AM
Quote from: tspacepilot on August 01, 2015, 01:05:50 AM
The only thing I'd add is that while I understand that Shorena doesn't want to talk about other casinos here, I think it is relevant to ask him why he feels okay with promoting (and presumably playing) at the casino he's currently advertising if they haven't shown their cold-storage wallet, etc.

I think that is because it is off topic, this is about dadice not the other, perhaps you can open up another thread

Quote from: tspacepilot on August 01, 2015, 01:05:50 AM
I wonder how many months/years would have to go by before Shorena would be willing to say "hell, okay, maybe they never showed their cold storage address but they have now  been offering services for XX years/months and it's clear that they're not in it to scam, they're merely offering a gambling service and profiting on the house edge".

Shorena is a very fair person because after months or years operating without issue , he will change his rating to neutral. Look at what he did , he change marcotheminer rating to neutral after months. I think shorena make a very fair claim here and I dont see that is issue warning people about this.

Funny that people is talking only about quickseller and shorena when dadice has plenty of negative ratings from other trusted members as well so it wouldn't really matter what shorena does at this point, obviously a good amount of trusted people think they are a scam
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Re: Recent dadice.com development
August 01, 2015, 03:09:49 AM
#145
Quote from: tspacepilot on August 01, 2015, 01:05:50 AM
The only thing I'd add is that while I understand that Shorena doesn't want to talk about other casinos here, I think it is relevant to ask him why he feels okay with promoting (and presumably playing) at the casino he's currently advertising if they haven't shown their cold-storage wallet, etc.

I think that is because it is off topic, this is about dadice not the other, perhaps you can open up another thread

Quote from: tspacepilot on August 01, 2015, 01:05:50 AM
I wonder how many months/years would have to go by before Shorena would be willing to say "hell, okay, maybe they never showed their cold storage address but they have now  been offering services for XX years/months and it's clear that they're not in it to scam, they're merely offering a gambling service and profiting on the house edge".

Shorena is a very fair person because after months or years operating without issue , he will change his rating to neutral. Look at what he did , he change marcotheminer rating to neutral after months. I think shorena make a very fair claim here and I dont see that is issue warning people about this.
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Re: Recent dadice.com development
August 01, 2015, 03:02:45 AM
#144
They are making the situation very complicated, they should give a cold wallet signed address and then we see how it goes on.
I already suspected something since their signature campaign thing,but this is very very suspicious.
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Re: Recent dadice.com development
August 01, 2015, 01:05:50 AM
#143
Quote from: ndnh on July 31, 2015, 03:33:21 PM
Quote from: shorena on July 31, 2015, 03:11:45 PM
Quote from: dadice on July 31, 2015, 01:11:35 PM
-snip-
Don't mind ndnhc, both shorena and quickseller are now promoting a white label "Casino" with no proof to be provably fair (no RNG Certificate) and with no cold wallet address that is covering the jackpot of 3,800+ btc. That is how credible they really are  Grin Funny isn't it Huh

If you guys[1] dont stop bringing up other casinos than dadice this topic will get locked. If you cant stay on topic, dont bother posting here. If you have something to say about my rating feel free to contact me. I dont think have ever labeled you as scammers my rating is a warning and phrased as such.

Well, QS is labeling Da Dice as scammers with some weirdo proofs.
http://i.gyazo.com/8447d64976f4b8b2c05f748d7b038cca.png
What's more, he's attempting to put words into Shorena's mouth just above:

Quote from: Quickseller on July 31, 2015, 03:04:31 PM
and shorena stopped providing his services when it turned out that DaDice was a scam site.
Quote from: fox19891989 on July 31, 2015, 02:55:11 PM
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What a pity, they promoted your site very actively but now are both claiming dadice is scam, I can't understand why, I think you paid them the best rate, but they don't know to be grateful. And you haven't scammed anyone so far, how can they claim you are scam.

I do not claim this, I just voice my opinion that I would not play or invest there and I see all signs of a scam. This is a difference. I no longer advertise for dadice because of this. I would think its very strange to advertise for something you would not use, because you are afraid of your coins.

I agree with you on that.


Quote from: panjul07 on July 31, 2015, 02:57:16 PM
-snip-
Does it mean that the sites who provide the cold address has no chance to be a scam site in the future?
I'd say that providing cold address to prove solvency is not a guarantee, because there is always a chance for them to choose not to pay out.
Not mention to defend Dadice, but I'm saying in general.

No, there is no way proof that you will not scam in the future regardless of what information you provide. It is however a common thing to provide a cold storrage address and requesting such. Dadice reaction on the request is what makes many of use feel they are a scam about to happen and no longer want to be associated with them. As I said in the past, I hope I am wrong, but I also cant just stand aside and not do what I can to warn about this.

[1] and other entities. Even its phrased as such this not only towards dadice.

Signing a cold wallet address doesn't mean dice owners cannot run with their funds. Currently, many players reach the conclusion that a signed message means their funds are safe, which unfortunately is not true.

Yes, but not providing a cold wallet address does not make it a scam. I am honestly, not aware of PD having made public their cold wallet address. May be I am wrong, but if not, well, why not?


Ignore the grammar plz

I basically completely agree with ndnhc here.  It's one thing to say that you wouldn't play there and to warn others accordingly, it's another thing to troll dadice's threads, calling them scammers, calling people associated with them scammers, and all with zero scam or evidence of scam.  All based on some kind of bad feeling.  Dadice should notice the very stark difference in approach between Shorena and Quickseller and shouldn't be lumping them into the same bucket, IMO.

The only thing I'd add is that while I understand that Shorena doesn't want to talk about other casinos here, I think it is relevant to ask him why he feels okay with promoting (and presumably playing) at the casino he's currently advertising if they haven't shown their cold-storage wallet, etc.

Finally, as I asked upthread, I wonder what the statue of limitations is on this bad-feeling that he has.  As has been pointed out, many many casinos are offering services without showing cold-storage addresses.  Apparantely not all of them generate the same bad feeling for Shorena.  I wonder how many months/years would have to go by before Shorena would be willing to say "hell, okay, maybe they never showed their cold storage address but they have now  been offering services for XX years/months and it's clear that they're not in it to scam, they're merely offering a gambling service and profiting on the house edge".
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Re: Recent dadice.com development
July 31, 2015, 03:33:21 PM
#142
Quote from: shorena on July 31, 2015, 03:11:45 PM
Quote from: dadice on July 31, 2015, 01:11:35 PM
-snip-
Don't mind ndnhc, both shorena and quickseller are now promoting a white label "Casino" with no proof to be provably fair (no RNG Certificate) and with no cold wallet address that is covering the jackpot of 3,800+ btc. That is how credible they really are  Grin Funny isn't it Huh

If you guys[1] dont stop bringing up other casinos than dadice this topic will get locked. If you cant stay on topic, dont bother posting here. If you have something to say about my rating feel free to contact me. I dont think have ever labeled you as scammers my rating is a warning and phrased as such.

Well, QS is labeling Da Dice as scammers with some weirdo proofs.
http://i.gyazo.com/8447d64976f4b8b2c05f748d7b038cca.png

Either way, I am and was fine with your negative feedbacks, since I can understand your's, El Nico's, dooglus' concern well. But QS is tagging it as a scam which is what I am questioning.


Quote from: fox19891989 on July 31, 2015, 02:55:11 PM
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What a pity, they promoted your site very actively but now are both claiming dadice is scam, I can't understand why, I think you paid them the best rate, but they don't know to be grateful. And you haven't scammed anyone so far, how can they claim you are scam.

I do not claim this, I just voice my opinion that I would not play or invest there and I see all signs of a scam. This is a difference. I no longer advertise for dadice because of this. I would think its very strange to advertise for something you would not use, because you are afraid of your coins.

I agree with you on that.


Quote from: panjul07 on July 31, 2015, 02:57:16 PM
-snip-
Does it mean that the sites who provide the cold address has no chance to be a scam site in the future?
I'd say that providing cold address to prove solvency is not a guarantee, because there is always a chance for them to choose not to pay out.
Not mention to defend Dadice, but I'm saying in general.

No, there is no way proof that you will not scam in the future regardless of what information you provide. It is however a common thing to provide a cold storrage address and requesting such. Dadice reaction on the request is what makes many of use feel they are a scam about to happen and no longer want to be associated with them. As I said in the past, I hope I am wrong, but I also cant just stand aside and not do what I can to warn about this.

[1] and other entities. Even its phrased as such this not only towards dadice.

Signing a cold wallet address doesn't mean dice owners cannot run with their funds. Currently, many players reach the conclusion that a signed message means their funds are safe, which unfortunately is not true.

Yes, but not providing a cold wallet address does not make it a scam. I am honestly, not aware of PD having made public their cold wallet address. May be I am wrong, but if not, well, why not?


Ignore the grammar plz
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Re: Recent dadice.com development
July 31, 2015, 03:11:45 PM
#141
Quote from: dadice on July 31, 2015, 01:11:35 PM
-snip-
Don't mind ndnhc, both shorena and quickseller are now promoting a white label "Casino" with no proof to be provably fair (no RNG Certificate) and with no cold wallet address that is covering the jackpot of 3,800+ btc. That is how credible they really are  Grin Funny isn't it Huh

If you guys[1] dont stop bringing up other casinos than dadice this topic will get locked. If you cant stay on topic, dont bother posting here. If you have something to say about my rating feel free to contact me. I dont think have ever labeled you as scammers my rating is a warning and phrased as such.

Quote from: fox19891989 on July 31, 2015, 02:55:11 PM
-snip-
What a pity, they promoted your site very actively but now are both claiming dadice is scam, I can't understand why, I think you paid them the best rate, but they don't know to be grateful. And you haven't scammed anyone so far, how can they claim you are scam.

I do not claim this, I just voice my opinion that I would not play or invest there and I see all signs of a scam. This is a difference. I no longer advertise for dadice because of this. I would think its very strange to advertise for something you would not use, because you are afraid of your coins.

Quote from: panjul07 on July 31, 2015, 02:57:16 PM
-snip-
Does it mean that the sites who provide the cold address has no chance to be a scam site in the future?
I'd say that providing cold address to prove solvency is not a guarantee, because there is always a chance for them to choose not to pay out.
Not mention to defend Dadice, but I'm saying in general.

No, there is no way proof that you will not scam in the future regardless of what information you provide. It is however a common thing to provide a cold storrage address and requesting such. Dadice reaction on the request is what makes many of use feel they are a scam about to happen and no longer want to be associated with them. As I said in the past, I hope I am wrong, but I also cant just stand aside and not do what I can to warn about this.

[1] and other entities. Even its phrased as such this not only towards dadice.
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Re: Recent dadice.com development
July 31, 2015, 03:04:31 PM
#140
Quote from: fox19891989 on July 31, 2015, 02:55:11 PM
Quote from: dadice on July 31, 2015, 01:11:35 PM
Quote from: ndnh on July 28, 2015, 01:54:49 PM
@QS, what exactly is your definition of a scam?

It doesn't currently go: "All sort of things and matters, that Quickseller deems a scam".
May be update your trust feedback that it is only your humble and possibly incorrect opinion?


Quote
This is an official account of the scam site DaDice

See this thread for more details --> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/recent-dadicecom-development-1066980


Please be kind enough to point out who has been scammed by Da Dice?

Don't mind ndnhc, both shorena and quickseller are now promoting a white label "Casino" with no proof to be provably fair (no RNG Certificate) and with no cold wallet address that is covering the jackpot of 3,800+ btc. That is how credible they really are  Grin Funny isn't it Huh

What a pity, they promoted your site very actively but now are both claiming dadice is scam, I can't understand why, I think you paid them the best rate, but they don't know to be grateful. And you haven't scammed anyone so far, how can they claim you are scam.
So you think that as long as a site pays people who would potentially call them out as being a scam, such people should not call them out? I can't speak for shorena, however I can say that my trust is not for sale. DaDice was paying for a service (advertisements), and they got it from both myself and shorena. I stopped providing my services when I got a better offer (although I also would have stopped when I discovered they were a scam), and shorena stopped providing his services when it turned out that DaDice was a scam site.

Quote from: panjul07 on July 31, 2015, 02:57:16 PM
Quote from: erwin45hacked on May 31, 2015, 02:21:38 PM
Quote from: sguegliam on May 31, 2015, 02:11:05 PM
Sorry but i don't have understand, the problem  of webmasters don't add a prove to cold wallet is only for investor or also for players?

Both of them are in risk because if a site could not provide a solvency proof then there is a chance that the site might turn out to be a scam site. That is why most gambling site provide their cold address to prove solvency, so that people could play there without worrying about their withdrawal not getting through

Does it mean that the sites who provide the cold address has no chance to be a scam site in the future?
I'd say that providing cold address to prove solvency is not a guarantee, because there is always a chance for them to choose not to pay out.
Not mention to defend Dadice, but I'm saying in general.
No, but not providing a cold storage address means that there is no proof that such site is not running a ponzi and/or is actually able to payout the bets that they are accepting. Not showing a cold storage address means that no one has any reason to believe that DaDice has as large of a bankroll as they claim, as there is zero evidence that they do.
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Re: Recent dadice.com development
July 31, 2015, 02:57:16 PM
#139
Quote from: erwin45hacked on May 31, 2015, 02:21:38 PM
Quote from: sguegliam on May 31, 2015, 02:11:05 PM
Sorry but i don't have understand, the problem  of webmasters don't add a prove to cold wallet is only for investor or also for players?

Both of them are in risk because if a site could not provide a solvency proof then there is a chance that the site might turn out to be a scam site. That is why most gambling site provide their cold address to prove solvency, so that people could play there without worrying about their withdrawal not getting through

Does it mean that the sites who provide the cold address has no chance to be a scam site in the future?
I'd say that providing cold address to prove solvency is not a guarantee, because there is always a chance for them to choose not to pay out.
Not mention to defend Dadice, but I'm saying in general.
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Re: Recent dadice.com development
July 31, 2015, 02:55:11 PM
#138
Quote from: dadice on July 31, 2015, 01:11:35 PM
Quote from: ndnh on July 28, 2015, 01:54:49 PM
@QS, what exactly is your definition of a scam?

It doesn't currently go: "All sort of things and matters, that Quickseller deems a scam".
May be update your trust feedback that it is only your humble and possibly incorrect opinion?


Quote
This is an official account of the scam site DaDice

See this thread for more details --> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/recent-dadicecom-development-1066980


Please be kind enough to point out who has been scammed by Da Dice?

Don't mind ndnhc, both shorena and quickseller are now promoting a white label "Casino" with no proof to be provably fair (no RNG Certificate) and with no cold wallet address that is covering the jackpot of 3,800+ btc. That is how credible they really are  Grin Funny isn't it Huh

What a pity, they promoted your site very actively but now are both claiming dadice is scam, I can't understand why, I think you paid them the best rate, but they don't know to be grateful. And you haven't scammed anyone so far, how can they claim you are scam.
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Re: Recent dadice.com development
July 31, 2015, 01:11:35 PM
#137
Quote from: ndnh on July 28, 2015, 01:54:49 PM
@QS, what exactly is your definition of a scam?

It doesn't currently go: "All sort of things and matters, that Quickseller deems a scam".
May be update your trust feedback that it is only your humble and possibly incorrect opinion?


Quote
This is an official account of the scam site DaDice

See this thread for more details --> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/recent-dadicecom-development-1066980


Please be kind enough to point out who has been scammed by Da Dice?

Don't mind ndnhc, both shorena and quickseller are now promoting a white label "Casino" with no proof to be provably fair (no RNG Certificate) and with no cold wallet address that is covering the jackpot of 3,800+ btc. That is how credible they really are  Grin Funny isn't it Huh
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Re: Recent dadice.com development
July 28, 2015, 01:54:49 PM
#136
@QS, what exactly is your definition of a scam?

It doesn't currently go: "All sort of things and matters, that Quickseller deems a scam".
May be update your trust feedback that it is only your humble and possibly incorrect opinion?


Quote
This is an official account of the scam site DaDice

See this thread for more details --> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/recent-dadicecom-development-1066980


Please be kind enough to point out who has been scammed by Da Dice?
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Re: Recent dadice.com development
July 28, 2015, 01:50:17 PM
#135
Quote from: Quickseller on July 28, 2015, 09:26:39 AM
You might want to add dadice_pr to the list of accounts associated with DaDice.

According to this post, it is an "official" DaDice account.

profile link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dadicepr-538753

Added them to the OP, thanks.

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Re: Recent dadice.com development
July 28, 2015, 01:04:11 PM
#134
Quote from: arallmuus on July 28, 2015, 09:47:45 AM
Quote from: fox19891989 on July 28, 2015, 09:33:40 AM
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There isnt any need to start all over this thing again. The negative trust is some sort of warning and not a sole guidance as people are free to proceed at their own cost. Bringing this matter over and over again wont change any rating of Dadice because if they want their rating to be changed, all they need is to sign a simple BTC address which they refused .

Furthermore, if you got a site that you suspect as a scammer than you will just need to PM few guys on default trust, it is not likely every one of them going on a patrol in scam accusation


I see QS being a little partial to Da Dice. Tongue

Well, with all this, it wouldn't be surprising for you to bump a 2 month old thread twice for the opportunity to get a newbie account one more negative trust..
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