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Quote from: 1000alasan on November 10, 2019, 02:24:35 PM

Doesn't red trust mean symbolize bad image?
if so, do you still believe in projects managed by well-known managers who have red trust?

Not necessarily. Having a red-trust for a personal dispute or something that doesn't reflect the credibility of the manager as a whole wouldn't really be considered. Trust them with money or use them as an escrow for the project? Definitely not! Regardless of what the red trust is for, I'd think twice before trusting them with any amount of money.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on November 12, 2019, 01:44:35 PM

I haven't checked his trust page, but wasn't there more going on with him than managing a campaign for a scam project? I thought I recalled reading that there were other things as well. I'll have to check.

He did it repeatedly with blatantly fake ICOs and was quite belligerent when it was brought to his attention. That was the reason for my rating anyway. I realize that shit happens, but what matters is how the person deals with it. If the behavior indicates that it's likely to happen again then some sort of warning is needed.

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Quote from: TalkStar on November 12, 2019, 01:36:24 PM

You are not well informed about "Atriz". I wanna let you know that after revealing his Alt account (Zapo) he completely stopped all communication and at that time one of his campaign reward distribution was not completed.

Yeah, it was definitely negative trust for more than just managing a campaign for a scam project. I hated to see things work out that way for aTriz, because he actually was a good campaign manager.

Quote from: lighpulsar07 on November 11, 2019, 04:14:48 AM

best campaign managers alongside with yahoo

And Darkstar_ and Hhampuz, who are also excellent campaign managers. There are probably a couple more that I'm not thinking of, but those two definitely deserve mention alongside Yahoo62278.

Quote from: cryptoaddictchie on November 11, 2019, 07:31:48 PM

Like wapinter, Ibe always join his campaign and his a good one, but the problem hsre is the project that becomes scam of course he will be put into tough seat to defend it. Anyway not all of them pose a bad image.

I haven't checked his trust page, but wasn't there more going on with him than managing a campaign for a scam project? I thought I recalled reading that there were other things as well. I'll have to check.

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Quote from: lighpulsar07 on November 11, 2019, 04:14:48 AM

Well yeah but it depends... for example Atriz got f***** up because he managed a scam ICO project which it led to his demise although to be honest he was one of the best campaign managers alongside with yahoo (personally i think that he should given a chance) but sadly i agree with visarog once you got fucked up in campaign managing well companies will not hire these managers.

You are not well informed about "Atriz". I wanna let you know that after revealing his Alt account (Zapo) he completely stopped all communication and at that time one of his campaign reward distribution was not completed. For his unexpected behavior BQT & IOU team were not able to release bounty participants payments. So what do you think after committing this kinda thing he deserve second chance. IMO after his alt account issue it was his responsibility to distribute bounty participants reward but he didn't feel it necessary.

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Quote from: xolxol on November 12, 2019, 01:57:11 AM

just dont join any of those red trusts managers,why would you join them ? they dont accept red trust users so we do the same dont accept their projects..Most of these red trusts managers have bad reputation like needmoney and his army.

That's the good catch. When Red trusted users can't be on the campaign, then the Red trust managers wouldn't be allowed to run the campaign.

Also i believe if a manager has multiple red trusts, it does mean that he has done some serious damage to the society and should be avoided at all costs.

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I would probably see an exception if the project is really good that reputable users here in the forum are shilling for it. Generally we see it in a negative sign but I would try to see if the negative feedback to him is justified by the reason. We've seen bounty managers having lots of negative feedback before Jamal was one only to find out he is proven to have done something unacceptable by users.

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just dont join any of those red trusts managers,why would you join them ? they dont accept red trust users so we do the same dont accept their projects..Most of these red trusts managers have bad reputation like needmoney and his army.

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We have different judgement but my personal judgement on the bounty manager you put as your example, I would not trust a project that he is promoting due to the fact that he has negative feedback from 4 DTs and I trusted some of the 2 DT that give a rating so basically i trust their judgement too.

Quote from: 1000alasan on November 10, 2019, 02:24:35 PM

and frankly like @Wapinter

here's the rating, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=527272

and some of the comments.

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Promote scam/Help scammers

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Promotes multiple scam ICOs, rejects the idea of due diligence or responsibility.

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I believe not all Red Trust Manager are proven to be scammer or really did an awful things. Who will admit a crime he did right? Of course they will deny all possibilities of being guilty. Atriz for example he was tagged red trust due to stealing of some fund payment supposedly for bounty participants. I remember he was with Ultralite and Lauda in forming a bounty group but segregated due to these kind of incident involving stealing. But I still see Atriz joining some campaign, or the real one retired and someone using his account already? (Just assumption)

Anyway, I know some red trust manager who really did a good job but tagged due to scam project promoted. Like wapinter, Ibe always join his campaign and his a good one, but the problem hsre is the project that becomes scam of course he will be put into tough seat to defend it. Anyway not all of them pose a bad image.

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Quote from: lighpulsar07 on November 11, 2019, 04:14:48 AM

Quote from: 1000alasan on November 10, 2019, 02:24:35 PM

Doesn't red trust mean symbolize bad image?
if so, do you still believe in projects managed by well-known managers who have red trust?

and frankly like @Wapinter

Well yeah but it depends... for example Atriz got f***** up because he managed a scam ICO project which it led to his demise although to be honest he was one of the best campaign managers alongside with yahoo (personally i think that he should given a chance) but sadly i agree with visarog once you got fucked up in campaign managing well companies will not hire these managers.

If you check ATriz profile, he has been given red tag by multiple persons and even if few of them agree to give him chance, it is not possible as all of them won't change their opinion. Signature managers should study the projects themselves first to avoid such situations later. Also there are few others managers too who are in the similar desperate situations.

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He did promote some scammy projects then later took it down after feedback from several members here. That suggests that he doesn't check projects carefully before accepting and then promoting them.

Quote from: mindrust on November 10, 2019, 04:17:04 PM

I checked the guy "Wapinter"s account and it is in one of those messy situations.

The pharmacist says he is legit, suchmoon says he is not to be trusted. Yahoo says he is ok too. :/ Too many different opinions...

Those feedback left by the pharmacist and yahoo were personal trades though and has nothing to do with managing bounties. I think the op is more concerned with how wapinter chooses and manages bounties.

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Quote from: 1000alasan on November 10, 2019, 02:24:35 PM

Doesn't red trust mean symbolize bad image?
if so, do you still believe in projects managed by well-known managers who have red trust?

and frankly like @Wapinter

Well yeah but it depends... for example Atriz got f***** up because he managed a scam ICO project which it led to his demise although to be honest he was one of the best campaign managers alongside with yahoo (personally i think that he should given a chance) but sadly i agree with visarog once you got fucked up in campaign managing well companies will not hire these managers.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on November 11, 2019, 01:33:38 AM

There is a big difference IMO in saying I trusted this guy to do trades. We did around 1000$ in trades, my paypal for his btc. He always sent 1st and the transactions were always fast and smooth.

Does it mean that he is trusted? He always sent first means you were not in risk. Although this is your personal matter but a neutral feedback is appropriate for this kind of deal instead. If you were on risk then green trust would a reasonable feedback.

However, I have made a thread over year ago regarding Wapinter related with scam? and that time he were promoted multiple project which was contained with fake team photos. And wapinter didn't show honesty to do his own diligence before pick any projects. He just promote for his own benefits. He doesn't care about bounty hunters or investors. And its true hunters didn't got payment from may bounty campaign managed by Wapinter. He got red tag for his shady behaviour but it doesn't mean that he don't have ability to manage campaign.

There is no any rules that red tagged users couldn't manage campaign. Instead of OP question I will ask another question. Hope OP will find his answer on my question. Why a project should hire a red tagged user to manage their campaign? And why bounty hunters should joined a red tagged manager's campaign?

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Quote from: 1000alasan on November 10, 2019, 02:24:35 PM

Doesn't red trust mean symbolize bad image?
if so, do you still believe in projects managed by well-known managers who have red trust?

and frankly like @Wapinter

Did you created this thread to discuss Wapinter trust rating ? In general, managers should not have red trust but it is not always that the Red trust would mean that he can scam or can't handle bounty well.
An example which I can remember is of aTriz who started his Signature campaign management as a good manager whom got many projects but later when he got red trusted, we can only see him managing few altcoins bounty campaigns.
Companies do not need to hire Red trust managers, when positive trusts managers are available to manage the campaign.

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Quote from: mindrust on November 10, 2019, 04:17:04 PM

The pharmacist says he is legit, suchmoon says he is not to be trusted. Yahoo says he is ok too. :/ Too many different opinions...

There is a big difference IMO in saying I trusted this guy to do trades. We did around 1000$ in trades, my paypal for his btc. He always sent 1st and the transactions were always fast and smooth.

My opinion on his bounty managing however is different. He accepted about any project that came his way and ended up running a few that turned scam. So IMO you have a 50/50 shot on getting paid from a bounty he manages. You guys need to decide if a 50% chance is worth your time and read feedbacks before blindly trusting someone.

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I will not make a conclusion right away, a fair member of the forum should understand that trust is not moderated so anyone can paint red trust in anyone's profile, and also, bear in mind that DT members will not stay forever, there's always a changes, some just come and go and some stays longer.

I suggest before you judge, review the reason why the manager has the red trust, and from evidence you see, you can make your own judgement.

That's how it's done.

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Quote from: 1000alasan on November 10, 2019, 02:24:35 PM

Doesn't red trust mean symbolize bad image?

It is true, marked bad deeds in the past or present.

Quote from: 1000alasan on November 10, 2019, 02:24:35 PM

if so, do you still believe in projects managed by well-known managers who have red trust?

However, this problem was returned to each participant participating in certain projects.

Manegers have a good and bad reputation when managing their projects.

If you believe that a certain manager has a bad reputation in managing the project, just leave it, do not register with the project he manages, and if you believe that the project managed by a particular manager has a good reputation, you just choose to join or not.

Can not prohibit a manager with a bad reputation, in developing their projects, as long as you have a mind and have the sense to determine your own destiny to success or failure.

So, the conclusion now is: you alone determine good and bad for yourself, not a bounty manager, who has a bad reputation.

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Don't just make conclusion based on those fancy colours you see on managers profile, some of the positive feedbacks aren't even associated with their line of work (bounty management) and some of the red tagged might just be retaliatory feedbacks (personal attacks) or forgivable silly mistakes they made in the past. Research on the managers record before you can make a decision whether a manager can be trusted or not or his style of management suits you.

Don't rely on any individual opinion also as we're all humans, some managers get accused of promoting scam projects now it left to you to make your judgement on what you consider scam projects. Most project tagged on the forum are project that have Plagiarized whitepaper etc so if you don't consider such offers scam worthy it's left for you to decide. Always used the reference to look into the reason for the feedbacks.

The feedback are just precaution measures that's why I always indicate that when even I leave a negative feedbacks on projects/managers profile.

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Quote from: Anonylz on November 10, 2019, 02:36:55 PM

Quote from: 1000alasan on November 10, 2019, 02:24:35 PM

Doesn't red trust mean symbolize bad image?
if so, do you still believe in projects managed by well-known managers who have red trust?

and frankly like @Wapinter

If an account is tag with a red trust often means that account should not be trusted or apply caution when dealing with the account but sometimes not all accounts with a red trust are untrusted because such accounts have equally done so many good things to over shadow the red tag, some red tag account did not actually scam anyone or something of that nature but maybe for other reasons,
My point is, just because an account has a red tag don't necessarily mean that account is bad, especially the example you gave above, wapinta has handle so many good bounty as well as some bad ones, there is nothing wrong in participating in his bounty.

Most accurate explanation so far. Most people view red tag as scam but in reality, trust feedback here is not only for scam. Some DT giving negative feedback based on there own perspective on what is wrong although trust feedback are originally made for trading purposes. Its important to consider first the comment on the feedback because some of it is not for scamming people but some human error on this forum.

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Quote from: aioc on November 10, 2019, 09:31:22 PM

Quote from: 1000alasan on November 10, 2019, 02:24:35 PM

Doesn't red trust mean symbolize bad image?
if so, do you still believe in projects managed by well-known managers who have red trust?

and frankly like @Wapinter

It depends on how did they got that red trust if they've got it from scamming bounty hunters, then he is not worthy of trust by bounty hunters, but if it is because of the work of the project that he is working on that he has no control of, then that trust means nothing to me, bounty managers has no control of the works of developers.

I think the Wapinter has never deceived the hunters by paying the participants always to be paid in a timely manner, a lot of the green reputation earned by the Wapinter means that it is still trusted by many people, rest assured that he is a professional manager like his other managers.

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