No-one abused the trust system, though.
The trust system is just that. A system to show whether you trust someone or not. If Vod et al. don't trust you, then I damn sure don't either. You asking for positive trust to be given and threatening consequences if it was not given was/is a completely fair ground for negative trust. And unfortunately in this world things remain longer than 24 hours, you can't just straight away go out and say "I've learned my lesson now, can you remove it?".
There are and have been lots of scammers on this forum for a very long time. Without the same people who give you negative trust, many more people would be scammed constantly. It's necessary. And anyway, most of the people who give negative trust are reasonable and will downgrade/remove the trust after a delay of a few weeks or so. But it's posts like this which make them less likely to do that, as it's also typical of scammers who have nothing to lose with their account anymore.
Topic: redsn0w and others (Read 1570 times)
This community is far too eager to engage in mob action, and the staff foster this atmosphere. Since they can quite literally just negate any negatives they receive, this is not a problem for them. This is having an extremely destructive effect on this community, and will continue to do so as long as staff support and condone these kinds of blind inquisitions against users with littler or no evidence or reason. It is a whole lot easier to destroy a community than to build one, unfortunately the staff probably wont realize this until it is too late.
Give it a rest, this is now getting tiring. All you post here is to lament how bad the staff are manipulating the trust system, and if you continue like this others are not going to value your opinion. Just my 2 satoshis.
Agreed, but he's never going to get it or realise how wrong/hypocritical he is. Best to just ignore his posts on the subject to be honest.
It was only a friendly advise as although I never dealt with him, I saw his trust rating and took him to be a respectable member. I find it embarrassing now, something like seeing your grandfather going senile with age and then going to the market after forgetting to put pants on.
Dear Tecshare;
I highly suggest that you empower yourself.
If you feel others have left false negative feedback, this would be an abuse of the trust system, no? So leave negative feedback for them explaining your situation and why you feel their feedback is unfair. Explain that they refuse to discuss it with you. Explain that they are wrong. Whatever, as long as you have a valid reason. Don't abuse the system yourself. People can see through that.
If people keep screwing up, they will find themselves in a situation where being in default trust or not, they can't trust other people or they will just be negrating themselves. They will lose all trust and their opinion won't matter. This is the only way to stop people who are abusing the system, who routinely trash people without just cause.
When enough people start doing this, trust abuse won't be possible. But look, even at my own humble situation. I did a loan with liu* and he didn't leave positive trust. This is a much bigger problem than leaving unfounded negative trust, the system cannot work if people forget to leave trust.
This community is far too eager to engage in mob action, and the staff foster this atmosphere. Since they can quite literally just negate any negatives they receive, this is not a problem for them. This is having an extremely destructive effect on this community, and will continue to do so as long as staff support and condone these kinds of blind inquisitions against users with littler or no evidence or reason. It is a whole lot easier to destroy a community than to build one, unfortunately the staff probably wont realize this until it is too late.
Give it a rest, this is now getting tiring. All you post here is to lament how bad the staff are manipulating the trust system, and if you continue like this others are not going to value your opinion. Just my 2 satoshis.
Agreed, but he's never going to get it or realise how wrong/hypocritical he is. Best to just ignore his posts on the subject to be honest.
It was only a friendly advise as although I never dealt with him, I saw his trust rating and took him to be a respectable member. I find it embarrassing now, something like seeing your grandfather going senile with age and then going to the market after forgetting to put pants on.
This community is far too eager to engage in mob action, and the staff foster this atmosphere. Since they can quite literally just negate any negatives they receive, this is not a problem for them. This is having an extremely destructive effect on this community, and will continue to do so as long as staff support and condone these kinds of blind inquisitions against users with littler or no evidence or reason. It is a whole lot easier to destroy a community than to build one, unfortunately the staff probably wont realize this until it is too late.
Give it a rest, this is now getting tiring. All you post here is to lament how bad the staff are manipulating the trust system, and if you continue like this others are not going to value your opinion. Just my 2 satoshis.
Agreed, but he's never going to get it or realise how wrong/hypocritical he is. Best to just ignore his posts on the subject to be honest.
It was only a friendly advise as although I never dealt with him, I saw his trust rating and took him to be a respectable member. I find it embarrassing now, something like seeing your grandfather going senile with age and then going to the market after forgetting to put pants on.
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This community is far too eager to engage in mob action, and the staff foster this atmosphere. Since they can quite literally just negate any negatives they receive, this is not a problem for them. This is having an extremely destructive effect on this community, and will continue to do so as long as staff support and condone these kinds of blind inquisitions against users with littler or no evidence or reason. It is a whole lot easier to destroy a community than to build one, unfortunately the staff probably wont realize this until it is too late.
Give it a rest, this is now getting tiring. All you post here is to lament how bad the staff are manipulating the trust system, and if you continue like this others are not going to value your opinion. Just my 2 satoshis.
Agreed, but he's never going to get it or realise how wrong/hypocritical he is. Best to just ignore his posts on the subject to be honest.
This community is far too eager to engage in mob action, and the staff foster this atmosphere. Since they can quite literally just negate any negatives they receive, this is not a problem for them. This is having an extremely destructive effect on this community, and will continue to do so as long as staff support and condone these kinds of blind inquisitions against users with littler or no evidence or reason. It is a whole lot easier to destroy a community than to build one, unfortunately the staff probably wont realize this until it is too late.
Give it a rest, this is now getting tiring. All you post here is to lament how bad the staff are manipulating the trust system, and if you continue like this others are not going to value your opinion. Just my 2 satoshis.
This community is far too eager to engage in mob action, and the staff foster this atmosphere. Since they can quite literally just negate any negatives they receive, this is not a problem for them. This is having an extremely destructive effect on this community, and will continue to do so as long as staff support and condone these kinds of blind inquisitions against users with littler or no evidence or reason. It is a whole lot easier to destroy a community than to build one, unfortunately the staff probably wont realize this until it is too late.
"This is a serious breach, redsn0w. As an escrow you should be on top of these things."
Magic8Ball (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10003954)
Magic8Ball (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10003954)
I see my name here. I would like to point out that I was the first to call out printshop on his loan attempt which seemed to me as equivalent to buying trust (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9860419)
He has since changed his terms, and also the collateral, but I would be careful in lending him. There are lots of cases where loans were gradually built up and then defaulted.
I haven't abused the trust system. My feedback is accurate but (yesterday) you sold "negative feedback" however if you don't want to remove it ,don't worry it is not problem .
The situation of yesterday was only a mistake of the email address and the community helped me and we have all resolved it.
* now if you want you can stop , I've removed the negative feedback. ** can you sign a message from one of your two addresses ( btc or nxt)?
The situation of yesterday was only a mistake of the email address and the community helped me and we have all resolved it.
* now if you want you can stop , I've removed the negative feedback. ** can you sign a message from one of your two addresses ( btc or nxt)?
Well I removed the negative feedback about the escrow, but you probably should have caught that, as a trusted escrow. I mainly removed it because I believe everyone is allowed to make one or two mistakes. There are dozens of quotes throughout history of the sum, you cannot learn but from your mistakes.
For me, no, I didn't sell negative feedback. I left the escrow feedback as a riskless negative feedback -- a warning to others. Kind of like what you do. But, I can be wrong as anyone can. And you have offered recourse to me for the "trust buying" stuff. That's very important. If someone leaves negative feedback with no discussion and no way to get out that's not a good thing. But you did the right thing, at least after we talked about it you removed it. That shows that you can be trusted, because as time goes by you move towards a more accurate trust model.
I learned something from all this too.
I haven't abused the trust system. My feedback is accurate but (yesterday) you sold "negative feedback" however if you don't want to remove it ,don't worry it is not problem .
The situation of yesterday was only a mistake of the email address and the community helped me and we have all resolved it.
* now if you want you can stop , I've removed the negative feedback. ** can you sign a message from one of your two addresses ( btc or nxt)?
The situation of yesterday was only a mistake of the email address and the community helped me and we have all resolved it.
* now if you want you can stop , I've removed the negative feedback. ** can you sign a message from one of your two addresses ( btc or nxt)?
I don't think it will prove anything, as it would have nothing to do with redsn0w and vod abusing the system.
Further, it should be obvious I am printshop from nxtforum, even if only because lihuajkl and I used Satoshi (from nxtforum) as escrow. That, and the collateral was sent from the DailyTrade asset and returned to the SafeHash asset (both owned by me). But if you need further proof and I can't imagine why, here's a transaction sent from BearMining (another asset I listed) which contains the message "Fancy that. It's me. I guess that proves my case then, vortex?" (nxtreporting.com/?a=4135646396597145944)
For those of us who are not as familiar with how NXT works, I think a signed message (with today's date) would be more appropriate. I know for certain that it is possible to sign messages with NXT and as most people should know you can sign messages with a bitcoin address.Further, it should be obvious I am printshop from nxtforum, even if only because lihuajkl and I used Satoshi (from nxtforum) as escrow. That, and the collateral was sent from the DailyTrade asset and returned to the SafeHash asset (both owned by me). But if you need further proof and I can't imagine why, here's a transaction sent from BearMining (another asset I listed) which contains the message "Fancy that. It's me. I guess that proves my case then, vortex?" (nxtreporting.com/?a=4135646396597145944)
If you cannot sign such messages then their trust would be correct but their comment would be incorrect. If you cannot sign a such messages then it probably means that you were hoping to con someone into sending you the funds for a loan first while promising that you will send the collateral as soon as you receive the loan
That you actually were in control of the amount of collateral you were claiming to be willing to offer
Ahh well sure, yes I can, but again I don't see how this is relevant to redsn0w. Please don't post off-topic replies in the Meta forum.
I don't think it will prove anything, as it would have nothing to do with redsn0w and vod abusing the system.
Further, it should be obvious I am printshop from nxtforum, even if only because lihuajkl and I used Satoshi (from nxtforum) as escrow. That, and the collateral was sent from the DailyTrade asset and returned to the SafeHash asset (both owned by me). But if you need further proof and I can't imagine why, here's a transaction sent from BearMining (another asset I listed) which contains the message "Fancy that. It's me. I guess that proves my case then, vortex?" (nxtreporting.com/?a=4135646396597145944)
But yes, to me, that's enough.
That you actually were in control of the amount of collateral you were claiming to be willing to offer
Ahh well sure, yes I can, but again I don't see how this is relevant to redsn0w. Please don't post off-topic replies in the Meta forum.
I don't think it will prove anything, as it would have nothing to do with redsn0w and vod abusing the system.
Further, it should be obvious I am printshop from nxtforum, even if only because lihuajkl and I used Satoshi (from nxtforum) as escrow. That, and the collateral was sent from the DailyTrade asset and returned to the SafeHash asset (both owned by me). But if you need further proof and I can't imagine why, here's a transaction sent from BearMining (another asset I listed) which contains the message "Fancy that. It's me. I guess that proves my case then, vortex?" (nxtreporting.com/?a=4135646396597145944)
That you actually were in control of the amount of collateral you were claiming to be willing to offer
Ahh well sure, yes I can, but again I don't see how this is relevant to redsn0w. Please don't post off-topic replies in the Meta forum.
That you actually were in control of the amount of collateral you were claiming to be willing to offer
Ahh well sure, yes I can, but again I don't see how this is relevant to redsn0w. Please don't post off-topic replies in the Meta forum.
That you actually were in control of the amount of collateral you were claiming to be willing to offer
Ahh well sure, yes I can, but again I don't see how this is relevant to redsn0w. Please don't post off-topic replies in the Meta forum.
but you are asking to borrow BTC in order to spend BTC 
how would doing that benefit you?
I understand how borrowing BTC that is secured by NXT would help you (as I explained how it would help others who are wanting to use alt coins as collateral), but a BTC loan that is secured by BTC does not make sense to me
EDIT: also for clarification, I did not ask to borrow money from the OP, I was offering to lend money to the OP
EDIT2: I would also be curious to know if the OP can sign a message from an address containing at least 1 BTC or 53k NXT
I still have not heard back from you regarding the bolded quote how would doing that benefit you? I understand how borrowing BTC that is secured by NXT would help you (as I explained how it would help others who are wanting to use alt coins as collateral), but a BTC loan that is secured by BTC does not make sense to me
EDIT: also for clarification, I did not ask to borrow money from the OP, I was offering to lend money to the OP
EDIT2: I would also be curious to know if the OP can sign a message from an address containing at least 1 BTC or 53k NXT
If you are asking if I am an asset issuer yes, but I can't really use OPM to finance my personal investments. What would signing such a message prove? (BTW BearMining alone is worth over 3 million NXT/150 BTC)
but you are asking to borrow BTC in order to spend BTC how would doing that benefit you?
I understand how borrowing BTC that is secured by NXT would help you (as I explained how it would help others who are wanting to use alt coins as collateral), but a BTC loan that is secured by BTC does not make sense to me
EDIT: also for clarification, I did not ask to borrow money from the OP, I was offering to lend money to the OP
EDIT2: I would also be curious to know if the OP can sign a message from an address containing at least 1 BTC or 53k NXT
I still have not heard back from you regarding the bolded quote how would doing that benefit you? I understand how borrowing BTC that is secured by NXT would help you (as I explained how it would help others who are wanting to use alt coins as collateral), but a BTC loan that is secured by BTC does not make sense to me
EDIT: also for clarification, I did not ask to borrow money from the OP, I was offering to lend money to the OP
EDIT2: I would also be curious to know if the OP can sign a message from an address containing at least 1 BTC or 53k NXT
If you are asking if I am an asset issuer yes, but I can't really use OPM to finance my personal investments. What would signing such a message prove? (BTW BearMining alone is worth over 3 million NXT/150 BTC)
I have read the thread in question. You were buying trust. You originally required that trust be left for you and the lack of trust being left would result in you not repaying the loan (you later dropped this requirement after you were given negative trust). You had posted that you were considering to buy LTC with your BTC to use as collateral. You claimed that you wanted to buy more LTCgear shares however your scheme resulted in you having less funds available to pay for them and as a result your request (and reason) was illogical.
No, I removed the condition while in discussion over my first loan request with John. K, Quickseller, Vod and others. ref: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9861654
I then left Vod negative trust to which he replied in https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9861818 "That is not the basis on which I left the feedback. It's because the only reason you are taking out the loans is to get positive feedback from others - i.e. buying trust."
His statement is not that I required people to leave me positive feedback. It should be clear from the timeline I did not require people to leave me positive feedback.
Vod's accusation that I was trust buying is that I did not need the loan because I had liquid collateral.
This was a misunderstanding by vod as shown here; ref: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9968031
Furthermore it was very clearly advertised that I wanted a loan to invest in hashie.co and other cloud mining. If vod was unsure of my reasoning before, then he certainly must be aware of it now since I have taken out a loan and repaid it despite this fiasco. What is Vod's problem?
but you are asking to borrow BTC in order to spend BTC how would doing that benefit you?
I understand how borrowing BTC that is secured by NXT would help you (as I explained how it would help others who are wanting to use alt coins as collateral), but a BTC loan that is secured by BTC does not make sense to me
EDIT: also for clarification, I did not ask to borrow money from the OP, I was offering to lend money to the OP
EDIT2: I would also be curious to know if the OP can sign a message from an address containing at least 1 BTC or 53k NXT
I still have not heard back from you regarding the bolded quote how would doing that benefit you? I understand how borrowing BTC that is secured by NXT would help you (as I explained how it would help others who are wanting to use alt coins as collateral), but a BTC loan that is secured by BTC does not make sense to me
EDIT: also for clarification, I did not ask to borrow money from the OP, I was offering to lend money to the OP
EDIT2: I would also be curious to know if the OP can sign a message from an address containing at least 1 BTC or 53k NXT
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