Topic: REEE: [US Only] Impeachment Vote - page 3. (Read 1419 times)

I see some rationale in what you are saying, but still I have trouble with that on several fronts.

Let me just ask this.

Consider the incredible assault on Kavanaugh by Democrats with the thinnest shreds of facts. Few Democrats objected to that.

And now POTUS requests politely some looking into Biden's past behavior and it's grounds for impeachment....

Sorry, your favored party doesn't have the reasoning ability to run this country.

He is the most likely to win the dem nomination, so yes. They certainly are sparring like its a done deal already. Trump is obviously more scared of Biden than any other candidate. He never even mentions them.

One other comment. Is Biden Trump's "political opponent?"

I think not. I think he would become that when he had been deemed the Democrat candidate for president.

There are a whole lot of Dems who are realizing that the Dem program is ultimately one of taking freedom away. Dem leaders are appealing to the selfish nature of a bunch of people who can't think well enough to get out there and work for a living. These useless people can't support the Dem leaders, but the others (the workers) will always find a way around supporting the welfare-system that the Dems are promoting. In other words, Dems are in failure mode, and will always be that way.

But is it a wise, or a NECESSARY, path to go down?

OK, I'm reading it, and I do appreciate your civil demeanor in asking. I'm no fan of the American Thinker but I'm reading it anyway.

Here's some parts I have problems with:


They did beat Trump at the ballot box. Hillary won the popular vote by almost 3 million votes! They just couldn't get the votes where it mattered, which has been strange to me ever since Bush vs. Gore. But I understand it is what it is.


This is ridiculous. In no way was the phone call "entirely ordinary and appropriate."

"Congrats on your win, guy. BTW, can you please open investigations into my political opponents for me? We'll set you up with my personal lawyer and you can talk it over with him."


None of this is going to happen. It does sound like porn for talk radio and news-addicted conservatives, however.


Deployment of Trump's recent favorite dog whistle, nice.


Again, this is just fantasizing. It sounds juicy if this is what you wanted to hear, and why you visited the American Thinker. However, outside of a core bunch of supporters, Trump doesn't have the political or public capital to engage in this kind of thing.

My response to the article is, bring it on.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/09/impeachment_bring_it_on_trump_can_put_the_dems_on_trial_in_the_senate.html

Read it to the end, and I would be curious if you think this is a wise or necessary path to go down.

Exactly what am I to debate with an alt account presenting no argument except an attack on a source presented? Cute try at being clever, but no cigar.

"koshgel   2019-09-28      Right wing incel. Proceed with CAUTION!!!
koshgel   2019-09-28      TRUST SYSTEM ABUSER. PROCEED WITH CAUTION!!!
koshgel   2019-07-05      Bitter soul. One of those guys that never leaves his house. Mind is so warped that semen is basically coming out of his eyes.

Avoid interactions. Avoid trades. I wouldn't even use escrow. Mental stability is a serious factor with this person. "

Certainly looks like some one presenting a valid argument and clearly not just some pussy with a grudge using a hacked alt to settle a score.

- gets upset about an "attack on the source"
- immediately attacks source of comment without trace of irony

"Rules for thee but not for mee, REEEEE......."

LoL.

So what is Pelosi doing that is illegal again?

I should start a poll, "What excuse will Trumptards use when Trump is impeached by the House?" Then list the obvious options.

I see that ... good find! Merited!

As usual, not even an attempt to address any of the contents of the information, just a simple attack on the source (from a hacked account I might add). The usual weak failing attempt at refutation to be expected from the left because they have no actual principles or arguments.

Overall, The Last Refuge (Conservative Treehouse) far right biased and borderline questionable based on multiple failed fact checks. This source is one failed fact check from moving to the Questionable list.

Nice source you chud.

"Pelosi’s House Rule Changes are Key Part of “Articles of Impeachment”, Being Drafted Over Next Two Weeks..."

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/09/28/pelosis-house-rule-changes-are-key-part-of-articles-of-impeachment-being-drafted-over-next-two-weeks/

However, I can see why the Bidens would like to get him over to the other side of the world...

Former Vice President Joe Biden’s surviving son, Hunter, hasn’t just dumped his wife for his late brother’s widow, he has squandered his family’s money on hookers, strip clubs and drugs....
“His spending rarely relates to legitimate family expenses, but focuses on his own travel (at times multiple hotel rooms on the same night), gifts for other women, alcohol, strip clubs, or other personal indulgences,” Kathleen Biden says of Hunter in the papers filed in Washington, DC, Superior Court on Feb. 23.
...
“Throughout the parties’ separation Mr. Biden has created financial concerns for the family by spending extravagantly on his own interests (including drugs, alcohol, prostitutes, strip clubs, and gifts for women with whom he has sexual relations), while leaving the family with no funds to pay legitimate bills,” Kathleen says of Hunter in the filing.

https://pagesix.com/2017/03/02/ex-claims-hunter-biden-blew-money-on-hookers-drugs/

People certainly did care. Unfortunately the media as well as the top levels of government were so corrupt that even if some one did try to bring attention to it, they would have accidentally choked on a handful of bullets.  The US intelligence agencies had just got done orchestrating a coup in Ukraine, I wonder why that would make the locals weary of bringing prosecution after all of that bloodshed? Of course Trump trying to enforce the law, looking into high level corruption is suspect, but anything about Biden, now well that is pure conjecture!



It sounds to me like he is a president doing his job going after high level corruption of government officials selling influence. This is something that not only is a well known pattern of behavior with Biden, but Obama, as well as the Clintons and others going back as long as they have had influence to sell. He is using Giulian because he has not only been around long enough to know all the dirt and how this mafia operates, but he is some one he has a personal relationship with and can trust. When trying to bust up an international criminal cartel within the highest levels of government within the most powerful nation in the world, that is important.

Trump is in a great position, and he is looking better every day. The only people who think he is screwed let Rachel Maddow do their thinking for them.





Well shit, Nutillduhh doesn't understand, obviously there is no good reason then!


What evidence do you have Trump was doing anything improper? He asked for an actual investigation into high level corruption that is of international significance. Clearly he is guilty! You know what that call was about, that was Trump essentially saying to the Ukraine president:

"Look I know our nation has been corrupt as fuck and has really harmed your nation, but I am not with those guys. Go ahead and do a legitimate investigation and I will make sure there aren't consequences like the last time you tried to do this."

Interesting we shouldn't jump to conclusions about Biden, but clearly based on nothing Trump is fucked!  You keep bringing up the timeline as if it is evidence in favor of Biden's innocence, it is not. Let me lay out the order of events for you.

A very corrupt company exists in Ukraine. The government is breathing down their necks. In walks Biden who offers to fix their problem for them. Biden's son gets some down payment money for the influence peddling. Joe gets the investigation shut down by demanding the canning of the lead prosecutor of the case. In exchange his son is placed in a very lucrative position on its board, a position for which ha has zero qualifications for.

Hunter is not even qualified to work at McDonald's let alone on a Ukrainian energy firm's board. He literally wouldn't be able to get a job at McDonald's with his drug record. The only significant thing about him is the influence his daddy is peddling. All the elements of a rock solid criminal prosecution are evident. Means, motive, and opportunity.

I'm sure that's an answerable question.


Post #60 and... https://www.scribd.com/document/427618359/Shokin-Statement

The evidence is the sworn testimony of the fired prosecutor.

I don't know if Biden's threat to with hold over a billion in US Aid unless his son was let off the hook is illegal under US law.

Something that's gone under the radar is that in the same conversation, Trump asks the Ukranian to look into the matter of the DNC server, which he says is in the hands of a Ukranian oligarche.

That's correct but I don't understand why Giuliani is involved at all... If you're doing something for the sake of national interest, why involve your personal lawyer? Obviously Giuliani was previously talking to the Ukraine president... why? Just doesn't make sense to me...


What evidence do you have that they are related to the conduct of Biden's son? It would appear that the investigation started prior to Hunter Biden's involvement with Burisma.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-ukraine-buris/ukraine-agency-says-allegations-against-burisma-cover-period-before-biden-joined-idUSKBN1WC1LV

Actually, this is a great article that tackles the other side, but the author concludes that it requires a much deeper investigation into the matter before any conclusions can be drawn:

^^^ The scary answer is, to completely bring down the USA.

We have a President who is worshipped by some like a king or the Pope. But foundational law in the USA is built on the 12-person jury, and jury nullification. The king-President can be overruled by the 12-person jury.

What this means is, the people formally have the power, even though they don't use it much. It's written right into the foundational documents of government. Amendments 6 and 7 show the power direct, and Amendment 9 helps to direct people to the laws and rights that they had before the Constitution... laws and rights that are still existing in power today.

That's a pretty solid foundation. So, whatever is being promoted in the USA, by people of power throughout the world, is designed to bring the strongest country in the world down, because the bottom-line power in this country is under the control of the people rather than dictators.

The Ukranian brought up Giuliani, not Trump.

RE "looking for information that will put Biden in a good light" etc, the firing of the prosecutor stopped the finding and assessment of information, period. Good or bad. That's what Biden did. I have to say here that I couldn't care less if the findings were good or bad. They are related to the conduct of Biden's son, who is not a political figure. But it matters to Biden.

Why doesn't that sound "horrible?"

What's certainly horrible is the orchestrated harassment of Trump via a fictional dossier, followed by the orchestrated harassment in the Kavanaugh hearing accompanied by a series of high questionable and outright fictional complaints, followed by this complaint about this phone call, leaked by a party who didn't even know the content but had only heard a rumor. We call that "heresay." This is a trend of consistent behavior at this point. Used to be, this was only seen in the weeks before a presidential election, when the Dems would pull at the last minute some dirt.

Now it seems to be non stop.

Earlier you mentioned, regarding Trump even asking or bringing up the subject of Biden, his son and the prosecutor events, that Trump saying ANYTHING is fundamentally coercive.

I have a comment on that. It's trump that when in conversation between very powerful people, there is an element of high pressure. But here we get into a realm of the grammar and tactics of "Diplomacy." There is a right way to ask someone, and there is a right way to answer (both in the positive and the negative.) These are well understood and these methods are literally thousands of years old.

There is no way that anything negative can be constructed from the conversation of Trump in question.

By contrast Biden comes across and sounds like a crude, low life gangster.

The tactic here is to accuse Trump of exactly what the accuser is guilty of. A la Sal Alinsky tactics.

I'm personally, sick of it. Lying over and over for political advantage, to a scale really never seen before. The initial Russia hoax, the Kavanagh circus, now this.

My contributions to Trump and the Republicans who have came to his party, albeit late and after his election are going to be 10x those in the past.