Topic: REEE: [US Only] Impeachment Vote - page 7. (Read 1419 times)

Yet another deleted post by the infamous Blue. What a close minded jerk off.

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Quote from: bluefirecorp_ on July 26, 2019, 03:41:34 PM
...Mueller openly admitted Trump could be charged with obstruction if he wasn't president.
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"could be charged" does not mean "evidence exists of a crime."

It does not mean "a grand jury would likely indict..."

It does not mean "should be charged..."

It means that the legal requirements exist to legally charge a person. For example, if the person was 6 years of age, he could not be charged. You get the point, maybe you don't like it, but there it is.

I have to admit to being surprised that the Mueller document DID NOT purport crimes and recommend charges or impeachment be brought against Trump. It seems to be a fair piece of work such as would be typical in a DA's office. Is it possible there were half way reasonable liberals on that all Demo team?

Avoid mentioning or even saying anything bad about the existing power structure, string up a couple underlings, and move on.

I am familiar with the Clinton case. Clinton got himself for trouble because of PERJURY, upon which the obstruction of justice charges were based. The underlying crime in this case is perjury. What is the underlying crime in the case of Trump? Please do tell I have been waiting three years to hear evidence of this one.



If anything exists criminally at all (zero evidence presented), it is a process crime which hinges upon there being a crime to obstruct to begin with. It would be similar to the police making up a fake story to search your car and later having the reason for the search proven not legitimate. Any evidence created as a result of the "fruit of the poison tree" would be invalid. A closer example would be getting charged with resisting arrest. Cops used to like to do this a lot where they couldn't find another crime they would just charge you with resisting arrest but never explain why they had to arrest you to begin with. There needs to be some kind of evidence for the basis of the investigation to begin with.





Yep. Anyone who knows how the laws works knows the government never "exonerates" or proves people innocent. That is not how it works. It has nothing to do with being able to charge him as president. It is just a carefully crafted semantic word salad to give dumb people the impression he is guilty of a crime while also technically saying there is no evidence of a crime. The law is "innocent until proven guilty" not "guilty until Muller exonerates you".


Related: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-26/ag-barrs-russiagate-origin-probe-pivots-smoking-gun-tapes-exculpatory-evidence

Another deleted post, from a flat-earther-of-not-free-speech.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on July 25, 2019, 08:26:05 PM
In order for him to have obstructed justice, the original crime would have to have been valid to begin with, which it was not. The FISA warrant was based on manufactured evidence, the investigation was based on the FISA warrant, and the obstruction of justice charges were based on the resulting investigation. This was a fraud from start to finish.

No, you don't get it.

It's not whether he obstructed justice.

It's whether he obstructed.

Although the case at hand involves ideological leftists, the problem extents to various other statists, fascists, communists and further.

By the way it's not exactly a logical failure, but a refusal to use the tools of logic. That's inescapable when you were told what to think and just repeat and believe it. It's a belief system. Others tell the leftist what he should think and feel, what he should hate and be outraged at, and he is trained to feel hate and outrage. As a good puppet.

It's a rare person that can scale from the bottom to the top and back down of a belief system with logic, and think nothing of it.

The splashy pictures are just yet another attempt to obfuscate the logic and lack of. To make the arguments more substantive and understandable, those should just be deleted.

I believe that we will see the best and the worst in these leftists, as they react to the debacle of the Mueller report, the Mueller hearing, the Kavanaugh circus, and their other total wastes of time of the people of the USA. The best, in some few, and the worst, in many of them. The worst includes silence and following the leader, as well as the arrogant attitude displayed by some.

Good to see you still don't understand what any of that means.

This is why leftists can't be trusted in positions of power. Any time there is a problem, something wrong, or something that goes against their narrative they use censorship to make sure it is not discussed while they work on manufacturing a new distraction to draw attention away from their logical failures.

By all means. I provide here my just-now-censored post.

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Quote from: bluefirecorp_ on Today at 02:54:19 PM
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Few were more direct than this one: “Your investigation is not a witch hunt, is it?” Schiff asked.

“It is not a witch hunt,” Mueller replied......

But we all already know this.

It was a pussy-grabber hunt, done using the finely tuned tactics of witch-huntery.

I watched some of the testimony this morning and it's pretty much the usual political bullshit. No new information was heard, and all that was said throughout the whole thing was "as written in the report" and "can't comment on that". I'm tired of this "we are being open to the public" argument, followed by increasingly vague and equally confusing information. None of the new information has helped anyone, all it does is provide grounds for speculation and general confusion. I feel like a lot of this is on purpose, but who knows at this point with all the crazy stuff that's been happening.

Yeah. This guy fails to understand that impeachment isn't popular at all, and the new Mueller hearing showed no change from what the Mueller report offered to people. You know what that means? It means that impeachment charges won't come up again and President Trump won't be impeached.

SIMPLE.

I think there was already a vote on whether to hold hearings on impeachment, and it failed.

I know you think repeating things I have posted to you in the past makes you look smart, frankly it is flattering, but it is also kind of sad. In order for you to sound smart repeating things back to me I have said to you, you might want to actually bother to understand them first. You will notice my reply is not even an attempt at a retort but predicting your reaction to a future event. Because of this, you will notice your whole linking of "The Hierarchy of Disagreement", while quite visually impressive, is totally irrelevant to my statement. You enjoy pretending to be smart if it makes you that happy. Who am I to get in your way?

Everyone else: I encourage you to continue the discussion here free of censorship.

Nah, I just like keeping my threads free of shitposts.

When you don't contribute anything to the thread, it gets removed. Try making some contribution to the conversation instead of just flinging shit next time.

Even though you *love* flinging shit, I'm tired of bothering moderators to take action against it.

Maybe this will help you:

Since bluefirecorp_ can't engage in an actual debate without being able silence ideas he disagrees with, I thought I would post my replies to comments here as he deleted them. Perhaps people can engage in an actual debate this way, and not just have some childish club where leftists stand around and reassure each other of their correctitude, normalizing increasingly erratic behavior. OP

I am sure you would prefer the whole internet be sanitized from ideas you dislike like they do on Facebook and Twitter, but most of us don't...


You are going to be sorely upset by the results. Please do report back tomorrow on your thoughts. I can't wait.