Topic: Reee: Which campaign has the most spammers? - page 2. (Read 1098 times)

That's cherry-picking.  That same post scores high probability of being entirely human with other AI detection algorithms like GPTzero, ContentatScale, or HiveModeration. That's why we use multiple detection tools to reduce the possibility of false positives.

On the other hand, a large number of your posts I checked came back positive with multiple detection tools, suggesting a high likelihood of AI-generated content. Another significant factor is that the vast majority of your posts in the Gambling section follow a uniform pattern – typically consisting of two paragraphs with near-perfect grammar.  People typically don't communicate in such a "robotic" way.

I appreciate your input; the next time I post, I will do my best to stay on topic and not give too many concepts in general. I always felt that providing additional details would help to raise the quality of discussion; I guess I was mistaken.

For example, suppose someone is discussing gambling depression.I try to share my honest thoughts on the first paragraph while also shedding additional light on the second paragraph about what gambling depression is, its harmful influence, and what happens to those that suffer from it. We learn every day, but I can honestly say that I never use any chatbots. I've been interacting on the meta and reputation boards without a chatbot, so why would I use it on something I'm passionate about ? (Gambling)

My problem could be with the grammarly keyboard I'm using; English is not my native language, so I use the grammarly keyboard to fix and improve my phrases after they've been written. It's possible that these AI detector sites picked up most of posts enhanced by Grammarly keyboards. I do not know. @powerGlove is this possible? I know you're a tech wizard.

You're being willfully obtuse in order to justify your AI shitposting habits. If you don't know what "willfully obtuse" means, run it through a translator, because it defines your entire attitude. You selectively used 1 AI detector while the minimum for reporting AI spam should be 2 strong positives from different detectors, which isn't the case with the post quoted above:

Hive: 0.0% likely to be AI generated
Copyleaks: Human Text

If you look at the results of the 9 posts I reported you will find all 3 of these AI detectors show a high degree of AI content in every post.

You should absolutely be canned from the Stake campaign, but I have a feeling you will not because, again, the standards for participation in your campaign are woefully weak, and it seems to have no quality control whatsoever.

Your posts failed on three different AI detector tools https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63769426


If you ask the question correctly, the AI will always write on-topic content. No one claims that some AI bot leaves posts for you. As long as you are transferring content generated with AI tools.

Honestly, these posts that were deleted by the moderators are absolute nonsense. It's even worse if you actually wrote something like that believing that it has any value. No matter how this "case" of yours ends, I advise you to think carefully about everything and accept the suggestions you get here. Judging by your answers in this thread, it is obvious that you can be constructive and direct in your communication and there is really no need to litter the forum with spam.

I think the second suggestion will be effective to reduce the number of spammers from Stake campaign. They have to increase the pay rate for each post, which will attract the qualitative posters to apply in the campaign. Most of the participants of Stake sig campaign are just making long posts without including any valuable context in it.

I was confused with this post of a Stake sig campaign participant. The user had quoted the replies from a different topic and made his post on my thread. It could be a mistake by the user, but I was surprised that the moderators haven't taken any action on that post yet. I had reported it by describing the reason properly in comments section.

Why change something that already works well. I suspect that it is beneficial for Stake to have as much spam on the forum as possible and this allows them to promote their services quite well.

This can be understood by the measures of influence that (if) will be taken in relation to their spamming participants.

On the one hand, it will be more difficult for spammers to get a job if almost all signature campaign managers demand (and voice) strict compliance with conditions, which will force them to improve the quality of posts or stop spam (activity). On the other hand, there will always be projects with low morale for which spam will show better results.

Here it would be good to hear the opinion of the Stake team.

Though it may not increase post quality but I think it will definitely reduce the amount of shitposts generated in order to meet the maximum quota. If they are not getting paid for additional posts, I doubt any of those guys will be posting so much. The less posts they have to make, the more thought they will put into their posts. That’s if the campaign will prioritize quality over quantity.

In the case of the members of the Stake campaign, I would say that they excel in what I call pseudo quality. It is very typical to see in the Gambling Section responses by them on page for example 47 of a thread in which they drop three long paragraphs that have something to do with what they are quoting but in reality are pure verbiage that passes just enough in most cases so that a moderator does not delete their post if it is reported and the manager pays them for the post. There are honorable exceptions within that campaign, but I think it's mostly the payment system they have that incentivizes that.

All of the tools work in the same way and produce similar outcomes; they are simply different names for the same software. I've seen that every well-written post with proper punctuation is automatically rated "Fake" by these softwares. It's insane to have your reputation tarnished because of what some random websites say.

It's my words against a high-ranked profile, thus they don't matter. But I'd rather lose my campaign spot than admit what I didn't do. This is how I was raised.

I'm not saying that these scanners are 100% accurate, try testing a few more websites on your reported posts, which as I mentioned already, looked AI-written, does mine look like it was written by an AI? Probably not, you can also ask other members. You believe that I want to prove my point but I actually don't. I'd rather be proven wrong and that your posts are actually human written, because it would suck seeing someone lose their spot in their signature campaign and/or in the forum.

If you keep the same payrate per post and lower the weekly quota, you won't magically increase post quality as same shitposters will stay in the campaign an the only thing that will change is amount of shitposts.



Pretty much any chatbvot tool as all I see in your replies are generic responses to generic topics.


Its interesting how those "4 experienced individuals" rate users simiarly which makes me think that (at best) those 4 are doing a very shitty job and not actually reading posts, or more realistically that story about 4 different persons rating posts is just a bs.

But come to think of this how could a campaign I mean same campaign run about 2 to 3 same signature campaign what did they think their participants would product spam right?

Yes It will likely be spam since they have much users and they aren't just doing it for the passion they have for this forum but rather than for the passion they have for earnings though I know we are all getting paid but let it not be obviously where it would shows that people are only interested for their paid and not for the Joy they derived in joining in deep conversation. With this, either you are being paid or not it won't cost you anything rather you post freely without the needs to be called spammers.

I really love the ideas of op saying most of the campaign that is highly populated should be cut down to reduce spam especially those that has been recorded as most spamming campaign, or that are launching two campaign to reduce to one only then can they increased their pay rates with this anyone who is chosen or selected would seat up and know what they are doing.

But still this doesn't stopped projects from hiring as much as many members they think of but, the problems now bounces back to managers, I think merits shouldn't be the only criterion to determine whether a user is a quality poster. Why some manager also consider reputation, if they wanna consider by merits then account creation date should be determined as well because I believe that most of the accounts are airdropped merits while some low merits are from scratch meaning they are created after the meritocracy.

And other ways to determine is also checking their post radio the gape between posts also matters, because I can't seem to understand someone posting between 2 to 5 minute before making another post it makes it looks very messed up at least15 or  20 to 30 minutes is okay in my opinion.

I used the same AI detection website to test one of your most recent posts, and it came up 100% AI generated. Do you still believe the report, or are you using AI to post?

If I run your complete post history through the same system, I'll get more. These tools are imperfect and cannot be used.

https://sapling.ai/ai-content-detector/e5dc28b08011e3873a9da1980615e942

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/03/08/yr25g.jpeg

Most AI writers have a very specific way of typing—too formal or robotic—using certain expressions and words and some other characteristics. Your posts fit perfectly with what I'm referring to. It seems that you have nothing to say in your defense; if it were just one or two posts, I could possibly claim that it was a false positive, even though they look AI-written; however, Nutildah reported 9, which all fit perfectly into the category I just mentioned, and multiple detectors have shown the same results, so it's not my, his, her, or someone else's opinion.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I will not be pressured into admitting to something I did not do, and if the manager is fine with whatever the website detector report says, she can remove me; I do not want to be the reason the campaign is receiving negative energy. This is not pride; it is understanding who you are and not allowing others do it for you.

Thought I was leaving the reputation and Meta board for good

I have no problem on reading a more detailed post as long as it’s not a forced prolonged which can be end on simple sentence. Making it more detailed is different than what I’m describing here. I don’t want to quote post here but I talking about post that doesn’t make sense at all yet constructed on 2 to 3 paragraphs long.


Stake is different because they allowed user to participate even if some of them has proven alt of scammer, ban evader, shitposter, purchased account and many more. It’s not about the manager specifically but rather how they manage their campaign.


LoL

I don't think we should expect much when the maximum quota is at 60 posts, and you're receiving a 20% bonus on each post made on the gambling board. The gambling board is flooded with nonsense. It's extremely common to see replies that have nothing to do with the subject of the topic!

I don't doubt that there are participants who create decent posts, but there's a large number of them who're after the maximum they can receive. I'm not going to jump into assumptions to judge their financial situation, and I'm referring to users from third-world countries, but I'm going to remain to the statement that you cannot write constructive and contributing posts when you're after such a quota. I personally couldn't imagine myself writing so many posts and remain on-point; I'd have to spend all day on the forum and still, I would either run out of subjects or a large number of my posts would be of substandard quality.
I think it would be better to own up your mistake and move on, and perhaps, you'd be forgiven by your campaign manager, community or whoever else. The deleted posts were 100% written by an AI software, I can distinguish if it's written by AI without even checking it with any kind of scanner. Most of the times I'm on point, I've reported a handful of users in the past and can now recognize them with decent accuracy. You've been caught, and this isn't the first time either. You don't seem to be learning from your mistakes.

Sometimes it makes more sense to include more details in conversation rather than simply one or two liner responses. Most people are more interested in the details and how you came to such a conclusion than the answers themselves.

Stake signature is no different from other campaigns; they are only receiving negative energy because the manager does not belong to any club or pays more attention to forum politics, the DT, or the Merit system.

Four experienced individuals grade stake participants, and users with negative evaluations are dropped. My postings are misinterpreted for AI-generated content since they are perhaps too brilliant to be written by humans. I guess.

Both of you summarized the problem of Stake campaign. I gave the manager a suggestion the last time on the former thread, but it seems they implemented what they think is the best.
The rating system is deceitful. If there's a way the participants will complain they may. I have looked at the posts of the users with good ratings, the only criterion for rating is "the length of post". These guys paste wall of texts making it impossible for anyone to read and engage in healthy conversation. There are some good posters in that campaign, but the rules is gradually turning them all to spammers.

• Remove the bonus system
• Cap the campaign at $100
• Remove the post raters, I don't think they are need
• With your weekly budget, your avatar and signature will still dominate the gambling board

The problem on Stake campaign despite they have a lot of people handling the campaign is most of them don’t use the forum personally to have the idea on what’s good quality post is. Most of the Stake participants especially on gambling boards makes their post unnecessary long despite the content is so simple and can be expressed on few line of sentence.

Probably the Stake CM based their scoring on the length of the post not on the actual thought.  This is probably the reason why they still keep a lot of purchased account and AI spammer.

Their pay rate too is insanely low that’s why users are posting are just to get max payment and bonus.